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2 Week Ban because someone else trolled?

Pikkel··7 votes·2,024 views

I got auto filled support ( a role I don't really play ) but anyways decided to go with Illaio support. I was first pick, and another player ( the top laner ) had also floated Illaio. I didn't notice this, and I locked in illaio support when my turn to pick came up and went to the bathroom. I come back during load screen and when the game loads up I notice our top laner (Tahm Kench) is following me to lane. For a second I'm confused like, " Arent I support?" a few seconds later he suicides and I realize he is trolling. I don't know why he is trolling, to which he later explains its because I picked the champ he wanted to play. He trolled, and suicided all game, I tried to plead with him to just play, or switch lanes, and he just kept trolling. Using tahms eat ability to swallow me and toss me into enemies and just be an all around douche.

His rational was he has more games on illao than me so I should have not picked illao. After game my team reported him, and some players on the other team. I log back in later to see I'm 2 week banned for my "Chat" of this game, which ive pasted. I don't see anything wrong with the chat. I wasnt rude, racist, derogatory in any way. Aside from being a bit frustrated that I was going to Lose LP due to him having a hissyfit because he was last pick, I thought I handled it fine. How do I appeal this? How did I get banned for him trolling? I'm sure its the instant feedback system but how do I appeal it?

Game 1 Pikkel: am i top or support? Pikkel: i thought i was support Pikkel: wtf Pikkel: am i top or support? Pikkel: tahm is trolling Pikkel: he is follow me Pikkel: no why?> Pikkel: ? Pikkel: i rolled support didnt i? Pikkel: i dont know what ur deal is bro Pikkel: i locked in my support and went to the bathroom Pikkel: illaoi Pikkel: so what? Pikkel: illao support works good Pikkel: i wasnt in chat Pikkel: and either way i had first pick Pikkel: so ur gonna troll everyone Pikkel: well i wasnt in chat. Pikkel: and evn if you asked, that doesnt mean u get ur way Pikkel: and ur gonna troll and make everyone lose lp. Pikkel: its ok everyone just report Pikkel: pick order> ur cry baby ness Pikkel: i wasnt reading chat. once i locked in my support i went to the bathroom. Pikkel: ur mad for no reason. Pikkel: i honestly didnt see your chat Pikkel: or i would have went lux. Pikkel: i just ranked up. im at 0 lp. so i wont lose any lp Pikkel: so ur trolling them, more than ur trolling me so its ok. Pikkel: nah im high elo, it uslaly takse 3 or 4 loses. Pikkel: do u want to support? Pikkel: i can go top? Pikkel: he is mad, i went illao, because he wanted illaio. Pikkel: i am. Pikkel: and i wasnt in chat. i didnt see he wanted kench, Pikkel: err illao Pikkel: i won my last 2 games with illaio support Pikkel: trolling at an al time high. Pikkel: how can u instalock in draft pick? Pikkel: just cuz u play illaio 100 games, doesnt mean someone else cant pick them. Pikkel: and doesnt mean you troll a team in ranked. Pikkel: ? i was in the bathroom bruh. Pikkel: i didnt know wtf u were doing when u were following me trolling Pikkel: we arent even losing by alot Pikkel: he keeps eating me and spitting me into the enemies Pikkel: bard? it doesnt matter. Pikkel: illao has harrass. Pikkel: if they didnt want you playing certain champs it certain roles, they would lock those champs off Pikkel: you can play any champ in any roll, so please stfu about meta Pikkel: even being trolled/ im 1.1 Pikkel: he is gonna intentionally feed and try and kill me just because i picked the champ he wanted to play? Pikkel: ff 20 please. Pikkel: Sorry vayne Pikkel: he eats me Pikkel: i cant do anything Pikkel: instant feed back is awesome Pikkel: they will ban him in like 5 minutes if he gets more than 3 reports. Pikkel: then he wont play illao at all lol Pikkel: its not worth it bro, u troll, lose lp , then get banned, all over 1 game? we could have easily won. Pikkel: we should surrender tho Pikkel: we are wasting time. Pikkel: we arent going to win this. Pikkel: its 3 on 5 at best. Pikkel: he eats me every fight. Pikkel: and i cant cast any abilities

40 Comments

CrimsonDawn772 votes

If that's really all you said, then all I can say is WHAT THE HELL! I'm sorry to hear that. idk if you can get your ban removed but you certainly should!

Martensitic2 votes

Pikkel: they will ban him in like 5 minutes if he gets more than 3 reports.

Wow, how can a person have so absolutely no clue about how the punishment system works? :D

And no, you were not banned for someone else trolling.

You were banned for being a toxic, negative and whiney douchebag in chat.

bad arcade kitty2 votes

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Wow, how can a person have so absolutely no clue about how the punishment system works? :D

And no, you were not banned for someone else trolling.

You were banned for being a toxic, negative and whiney douchebag in chat.

hypocrisy of this forum is astonishing

trying to persuade a troll to play is toxicity, ok i guess

Martensitic1 votes

trying to persuade a troll to play is toxicity, ok i guess

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Pikkel: tahm is trolling Pikkel: he is follow me Pikkel: so ur gonna troll everyone Pikkel: and ur gonna troll and make everyone lose lp. Pikkel: its ok everyone just report Pikkel: pick order> ur cry baby ness Pikkel: ur mad for no reason. Pikkel: i just ranked up. im at 0 lp. so i wont lose any lp Pikkel: so ur trolling them, more than ur trolling me so its ok. Pikkel: nah im high elo, it uslaly takse 3 or 4 loses. Pikkel: he is mad, i went illao, because he wanted illaio. Pikkel: trolling at an al time high. Pikkel: i didnt know wtf u were doing when u were following me trolling Pikkel: you can play any champ in any roll, so please stfu about meta Pikkel: even being trolled/ im 1.1 Pikkel: he is gonna intentionally feed and try and kill me just because i picked the champ he wanted to play? Pikkel: ff 20 please. Pikkel: Sorry vayne Pikkel: he eats me Pikkel: i cant do anything Pikkel: instant feed back is awesome Pikkel: they will ban him in like 5 minutes if he gets more than 3 reports. Pikkel: then he wont play illao at all lol Pikkel: its not worth it bro, u troll, lose lp , then get banned, all over 1 game? we could have easily won. Pikkel: we should surrender tho Pikkel: we are wasting time. Pikkel: we arent going to win this. Pikkel: its 3 on 5 at best. Pikkel: he eats me every fight.

Where exactly is he trying to persuade anyone? All he does is QQ, insult, complain and report-call continuously.

Toxic, ban deserved.

bad arcade kitty2 votes

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Toxic, ban deserved.

hm, if they banned you for a similar chat, it would teach you something, i guess maybe they will one day, these riot supports like you are not safe from random bans

also it is very clear that he tried to tell that dude that his trolling would achieve nothing, by your logic it is toxic, likely because it hurts the troll's feelings

he had to say "troll more, i support you, you will hurt me if you troll" (:

furthermore, if you bother to read the thread it has an answer to his support ticket where a rioter admitted he was banned simply for typing too much

Martensitic1 votes

hm, if they banned you for a similar chat, it would teach you something, i guess maybe they will one day

That would be surprising indeed, because none of my chatlogs look like that.

these riot supports like you are not safe from random bans

Really? Then it shouldn't be hard for you to find credible evidence of such a case.

Pikkel2 votes

If you consider this being "toxic" then you have no idea what toxic is. If this is "toxic" then this is the biggest carebear game in the world. I tried several different ways to appeal to the troll. I let him know I didn't do it on purpose, I offered to switch lanes, I reminded him of the punishment of trolling, I told him " we can still win", I told him "trolling me wont make a difference I'm at 0 lp (which was a lie, I was just trying to detour his trolling) Nothing I said to him was toxic, I didn't even curse. so what are you saying?

Martensitic1 votes

If you consider this being "toxic" then you have no idea what toxic is.

Then why are you banned? :D

Pikkel1 votes

good point. Ive been playing MMO's for like 18 years. never got banned for calling someone a cry baby. The president is grabbing people by the p*ssy and I'm getting banned for all chatting. whats the world coming too.

Martensitic1 votes

Different game, differet ruleset.

Same as different countries have different laws.

Tormyth1 votes

you are coming off as passive aggressive and pessimistic

Pikkel1 votes

you cant see his chat, he was saying things like " yeah I'm gonna troll this game, because you picked my champ" and "well you guys are going to report me any way so might as well stick with my decision" I wasn't being aggressive or pessimistic. I was upset that, I just spent an hour winning my last game, and I was going to lose all that LP + some, because of a troll. You can see in the chat I was clearly trying to reason with him. I didn't even intentionally pick illiao it tilt him. When he was following me, I was confused I had no idea he was upset.

bad arcade kitty3 votes

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you are coming off as passive aggressive and pessimistic

he was almost unbearably nice, albeit chatted too much

Pikkel1 votes

I got sucked into the conversation with the troll, I admit. But I wasn't derogatory or rude or anything. At points I was still trying to reason with him because I really just didn't want to lose. Aside from his trolling the other lanes were actually doing ok the first 10 minutes. we could have won if he would have stopped but he didn't, he fed and trolled right up until surrender.

Tormyth1 votes

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he was almost unbearably nice, albeit chatted too much

Pikkel: pick order> ur cry baby ness

Pikkel: i just ranked up. im at 0 lp. so i wont lose any lp Pikkel: so ur trolling them, more than ur trolling me so its ok. Pikkel: nah im high elo, it uslaly takse 3 or 4 loses.

how is this nice? it affects them more than it does me so im okay with you trolling is pretty much was this statement says^

bad arcade kitty1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Smoldering Heart,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ExM3VMQR,comment-id=000100010001,timestamp=2016-11-29T01:56:56.455+0000)

Pikkel: pick order> ur cry baby ness

Pikkel: i just ranked up. im at 0 lp. so i wont lose any lp Pikkel: so ur trolling them, more than ur trolling me so its ok. Pikkel: nah im high elo, it uslaly takse 3 or 4 loses.

how is this nice? it affects them more than it does me so im okay with you trolling is pretty much was this statement says^

he explained his reasons and tried to persuade the guy to play (that guy likely told him that he was trolling to make him lose lp, so the op said that the one who would lose lp it's the troll and the rest of the team, then the troll said that he trolled so the op would be demoted then and was answered that it didn't seem likely so his trolling was fruitless again; but well, reasoning with trolls doesn't work)

the literally only complaint you have it's that he called that troll behavior "babyness"

how hypocritical this forum can be never ceases to amuse me i bet if i measure your lengthy logs with the same measure which you use i will find a reason to ban you in most of them

Tormyth1 votes

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he explained his reasons and tried to persuade the guy to play (that guy likely told him that he was trolling to make him lose lp, so the op said that the one who would lose lp it's the troll and the rest of the team, then the troll said that he trolled so the op would be demoted then and was answered that it didn't seem likely so his trolling was fruitless again; but well, reasoning with trolls doesn't work)

the literally only complaint you have it's that he called that troll behavior "babyness"

how hypocritical this forum can be never ceases to amuse me i bet if i measure your lengthy logs with the same measure which you use i will find a reason to ban you in most of them

i usually dont say much in game though, albeit mia ss, focus such and such good job etc how would i find my logs anyways? i havent been banned that i remember

BewareTheIdes1 votes

Not really saying much when you don't use chat and have no experience with trolls then. Also you are bronze 5 with like 800 games played so I'm guessing you don't care much about winning.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Smoldering+Heart

Also to answer your questions Riot only gives logs based on when you get a punishment otherwise I don't think there is a way to actually get them all not even if you submit a ticket to support. (I don't even know if Riot saves all the chatlogs but I assume they do.) The only way to keep track I think is record your gameplay and look at what you are typing.

You could use a keylogger to record everything, if you get one that you can toggle on off, but won't give you what they others wrote. I think the only way to get entire chat logs of both you and others is to record the game and unless you have a 3.5tb harddriive like me gl storing all the videos. (i have the 3.5tb for "enjoyment" don't ask)

Tormyth1 votes

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Not really saying much when you don't use chat and have no experience with trolls then. Also you are bronze 5 with like 800 games played so I'm guessing you don't care much about winning.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Smoldering+Heart

Also to answer your questions Riot only gives logs based on when you get a punishment otherwise I don't think there is a way to actually get them all not even if you submit a ticket to support. (I don't even know if Riot saves all the chatlogs but I assume they do.) The only way to keep track I think is record your gameplay and look at what you are typing.

You could use a keylogger to record everything, if you get one that you can toggle on off, but won't give you what they others wrote. I think the only way to get entire chat logs of both you and others is to record the game and unless you have a 3.5tb harddriive like me gl storing all the videos. (i have the 3.5tb for "enjoyment" don't ask)

i use chat i just dont respond to trolls, i mute them and report and the end of game, if someone has nothing nice to say i have no reason to listen.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Smoldering Heart,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ExM3VMQR,comment-id=00010001000100000000,timestamp=2016-11-29T03:06:42.569+0000)

i usually dont say much in game though, albeit mia ss, focus such and such good job etc how would i find my logs anyways? i havent been banned that i remember

and if you say something like "wtf" this forum will consider it ban worthy lol

TheLastShadow451 votes

They normally send you three cards with chat on them from three games. This can't be the reason you got banned.

Pikkel1 votes

http://i68.tinypic.com/11l1k08.jpg

Why would I lie? I just hit "copy chat" and pasted the entire log. My team wasn't even mad at me, he was bragging about trolling.

Pikkel1 votes

its only that one game

http://i68.tinypic.com/6gvhps.jpg

bad arcade kitty1 votes

well, the system works like this, if you are reported a lot eventually some report makes you punished

it was a fake report in your case

you can try to file a support ticket here https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en but i dunno if they will care

back then when the tribunal existed, i saw how it was, i did the tribunal for a bit of ip and for reading full logs looking for amusing things, and i saw that when one game was reported wrongly other ones which you were shown were usually reported for a reason... i also got a warning by the tribunal too, and to get it i was reported in i think a few dozens games almost in a row (i went on a rampage >< like hecarim) albeit the tribunal only had like 4 shown cases

so, if you are punished (i don't meant that silly permaban thing when they simply permaban for some tabooed words, i mean the ordinary punishment for chat insults or game trolling) you likely were reported a lot. possibly you were like that signed guy, played a lot of ialloi support and were reported on every loss and some wins and so the system thinks you are throwing the games...

something like that. playing off-meta made people banned even years ago, makes them banned nowadays too

Pikkel1 votes

I have literally only played support Illao 2 games, the game before this one, ( which I won ) and the game here in question which cant even count as a game, seeing as he fed and trolled the entire 20 minutes until we were able to surrender.

Mokkun1 votes

You don't get a 2week ban from one game where maybe... you didn't deserve it.

You get a 2 week ban because the last several times you got bans or chat restrictions, you didn't learn from it.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

That does seem like a rather unfortunate situation. I confess that most of the threads I read there, I tend to not feel much sympathy for the posters, because they often are grossly toxic and harassing to their team. But this honestly just seems well... completely justified and normal discourse. It's obvious that you weren't pleased with Tahm, but you weren't flaming him, you weren't cursing him, calling for reports. In my opinion, you weren't breaking the summoner's code, maybe tiptoeing the line and peeking over the edge of it, but certainly not the tap dance number that most of the PB&M board posters do. I am geuinely sorry for you on this one, and I beg you to consider submitting a ticket to Riot Support Staff.

I certainly do not feel like temporary ban was warranted by itself, not by this.

Pikkel1 votes

Welp I submitted a ticket : I'm really disappointed, this just seems unfair. He basically said because I was using /allchat . It doesn't make sense.

  1. The troll was using all chat, and trying to persuade other players to report me, I was simply defending myself. I didn't flame or argue with the enemy team or the troll for that matter. I tried all game to try and get him to not troll. his response was " well I'm already getting reported so I might as well stand by my decision to troll"
  2. "You appear to be focusing on typing rather than playing." Tahm was literally eating me and sprinting into the enemy line, I couldn't play at all, I was being trolled. He literally followed me all game and kept eating me all game. There is no way to stop him from eating you, and you are completely disabled while he does it. He gains movement speed and can take you wherever he wants.

So basically if you get trolled, you should just not get frustrated, not respond, sit quietly while they ruin your game, your ladder standings, and waste your time. Basically be emotionless and not human at all.

Whatever Riot

Trolls - 1,000,000 Serious players just trying to have fun - 0

BigPapaMIDKnight Today at 22:37 Greetings summoner, My name is BigPapaMIDKnight and I'm here to assist you with your ticket. While I understand where you are coming from in regards to this specific situation, we generally support the policy that it's best not to fight negativity with more negativity. I recognize that your chat logs were not particularly offensive, you do appear to be focusing on typing rather than playing and bringing drama to all chat. It's often best to focus only on what you can control: your gameplay and your reactions to others. That being said your 2 week suspension will remain at this time. Please understand that if you were to receive another behavior related disciplinary action, the following suspension will be permanent. Let me know if you have any other questions/concerns related to this ticket. BigPapaMIDKnight Riot Games Player Support Udyr Jungle

bad arcade kitty1 votes

{quoted}

BigPapaMIDKnight Today at 22:37 Greetings summoner, My name is BigPapaMIDKnight and I'm here to assist you with your ticket. While I understand where you are coming from in regards to this specific situation, we generally support the policy that it's best not to fight negativity with more negativity. I recognize that your chat logs were not particularly offensive, you do appear to be focusing on typing rather than playing and bringing drama to all chat. It's often best to focus only on what you can control: your gameplay and your reactions to others. That being said your 2 week suspension will remain at this time. Please understand that if you were to receive another behavior related disciplinary action, the following suspension will be permanent. Let me know if you have any other questions/concerns related to this ticket. BigPapaMIDKnight Riot Games Player Support Udyr Jungle

this is comedy gold

you were literally banned for typing too much in the chat

oh, riot is so funny

make a reddit thread or something, i guess they allow such complaints if that singed guy posted there... not sure, moderators there are hard riot fanboys

like "i was banned for two weeks for typing too much in the chat"

BewareTheIdes1 votes

Rocks in rocking chair made out of BBB complaints with F at the top

Here is a few choices for you moving forward.

  1. You can get perma-banned. This will happen since you are on your last strike if you keep using chat. Then you would have to lvl a new account or acquire a new account.

  2. Never use chat again and pick up discord/curse and use that to communicate with anyone willing. Also there is a trick to get rid of chat box if you want that I can give a link.

  3. You can use those two week bans to attempt to learn dota 2/give it a chance. You don't like it then you go back to playing league no harm no foul you can't play league anyway for 2-weeks. If you need tutorials or help just reply and I can give them to you. I would say this is optimal since you learn a much richer game and don't have to deal with this outdated ban system ever again (if you actuall read this reply 404 before your reply)

But don't mind me I'm just an old fool basing by spreading the word of Dota 2 and our lord gaben. Don't mind me, I just like clients that work and a ban system that actually handles our toxicity instead of putting them in with the newbies. I'm sure to recieve my usual amout of downvotes as I stroll by but I won't mind none, these people can't help it (they usually can't read either).

Don't mind me just gonna leave you with a lol and a little courage

"Here ya go for the lol"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCVIbjmMOOI

Here is some courage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgnHF2CwrPs

Pikkel2 votes

lvl 30 accounts are going on Ebay for less than what I paid for my last skin. Banning trolls don't keep them away, but banning me will. This is ridiculous. I replied to see if they would reconsider, probably wont, but worth a try I guess.

BewareTheIdes1 votes

ya and the 60+ champ accounts which takes forever for to do by hand only go for like $60 bucks. No actual reputable players do that crap but you know they only can offer that crap because they botted it out and didn't get caught doing it. Heck the trolls bot their accounts out for free and don't get banned. Even if they did they are probably using vpns so they can't be IP banned and they just lose one account that they paid nothing for anyway.

Riot needs to start realizing accounts will always be easy to get and they need to stop banning people that are getting trolled then rightfully pissed off. But this is why I went to dota 2 because my friend recommended it since he didn't hardly ever see alot of trolls. But in league you get 1 in 10 where as in dota 2 you get like 1 in 100 even though dota 2 you can get full heroes free and there are no rune pages/masteries so they can play straight out the gate and play ranked once they hit lvl 20. Kinda says something about how bad it is when you see so many banned posts on the boards and most of them are for flamers that are getting trolled.

Like look at what shacolone said after he fed and got banned by riot. He is just gonna go buy accounts and keep doing it, heck tyler 1 even got like 10 accounts perma-banned and he is still playing this game never stopped him.

Hope you get your account back, but from what I've seen they don't even review the cases for perma-bans much less 2-week bans. That is why I just play Dota 2 now since the troll problem got so bad. I can speak my mind there and I have not been chat restricted once when I said report the trollls and get them out of here. I didn't even wait for my two week ban that I knew would eventually come I said the hell with Riot better to play something else than listen to their crap policies like don't even say report or you'll get a crap ton of penalties from trolls reporting you.

I played this game recently on my main and this crap still happens, so i don't even use chat if I wanted to play this game anymore which due to the community i don't. Riot is just gonna let the trolls troll your game and there is nothing you can do about it since they have like 5 botted accounts a piece that riot also fails to catch. I'm playing dota 2 right now and glad I stopped playing this game that has an obvious troll problem that riot doesn't want to fix since they might earn a buck off it. You want less trolls and less harsh penalties go to Dota 2, nothing else can really help you. Riots is always not gonna care much or fix the problem.

Pikkel1 votes

smh

DemainaNyx1 votes

Pikkel: its ok everyone just report

That's the only thing that really stands out to me about your chats. While you aren't actively being "pls report Tahm" you sorta are requesting that your teammates report him.

You could also have been reported for taking his champion. Not that that's a reportable option, but people might see that as unsportmanlike to take a fellows teammates champion that they are hovering.

Pikkel1 votes

We were both hovering. And I was first pick, he was like 4th pick. and I was talking to my team mates who were getting very tilted and upset. I just said " its ok, just everyone report " I mean what else can you do when someone is suiciding, trolling the support and causing the adc to die over and over?

MadmanWithBox1 votes

Chat doesn't look like it's 2-week-ban-worthy. It doesn't look good; there are lines that (in my opinion) warrant a chat restriction. But, it doesn't look ban-worthy.

Sometimes Riot will drop the hammer if they've chat-restricted you several times, and they don't feel like you're getting the hint. I don't know if that's what's happening here.

Support ticket is your best bet, a Riot can give you more context on what's going on here.

Pikkel1 votes

already did, I posted what they said. said I used all chat to much?

Kaioko1 votes

Other than calling in for reports which RIOT has stated can get you punished I see nothing wrong. If this is truly the only game chat you were given and it's unedited then I don't actually believe your ban to be justified.

That being said you should avoid engaging in confrontation when you've already received previous punishments.

MUSHROOM MIDGET1 votes

you might get out of it or you might not. the only thing you really did wrong that i can see is to say to report him.

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