THERE SHOULD BE NO CHAT BANS GIVEN EVER EXCEPT...

House Money·May 21, 2019·3 votes·2,372 views

Chat filter is broken. Players willingly turn off chat filter, then report players for chat that they willingly subject themselves to. It's not an excuse to be toxic but it is fundamentally flawed.

Players should only be restricted if they manipulate chat to bypass the filter, and are reported. Otherwise how can any chat ban be justified. You willingly turned off your filter and that action may as well say "im ok with seeing anything in the chat"

If you have filter disabled, any chat related report should be instantly thrown out.

29 Comments

insomniacjezzMay 21, 201913 votes

The chat filter censors curse words and some zero tolerance phrases. It does not prevent other forms of harassment and verbal toxicity. With exception to ZT phrases, words don’t get you punished, but attitude does.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

With how big you brain is trying to be this one flew right over you...

If you are being banned for curse words...This should be impossible. We aren't debating whether typing it is right or wrong. I am saying it shouldn't be visible > therefore there is no offense. If you disabled it yourself your report should be null and void.

Umbral RegentMay 21, 20196 votes

Except, you don't ever get banned for curse words. If that were the case, I would've been banned long ago. I've exclaimed "fuck" and "shit" and "dammit" and so on a lot over my League career, and I've been playing for over four years now.

Riot doesn't care if you curse; they care if you level swears at other players. There's a big difference between "aw fuck" and "fuck you you piece of shit". The former won't get punished. The latter will.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

If they had filter enabled all they would see is "you you piece of"

in and of itself not very toxic IMO

EDIT: so yes you are getting banned for swearing in essence. This is why filter is broken. and any reports IMO from a player with disbale filter should be null

insomniacjezzMay 21, 20193 votes

That statement is toxic enough to earn a chat restriction if you say it often enough, though.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

if you saw a stranger walking down the road and repeating "you you piece of" and you think he is toxic I question your sanity.

Bro, you would say what the hell is this dude or wtf or something of the sort. So no I don't agree with the idea that the above statement is inherently toxic.

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insomniacjezzMay 21, 20193 votes

I wouldn’t appreciate a random stranger saying that to me out in public. I’d enjoy it even less if this was a random person I was expected to work with on a team, and if there was a way to ensure that other people on other teams wouldn’t be subject to this kind of behavior from this person in the future, I would use it.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

I can agree to that. Though what you were claiming is that the statement is of itself a toxic one.

EDIT: Though I want to be clear this isn't a real life scenario. Though if someone were to do that, them being weird and saying weird shit isnt reportable. You'd be reporting because you dont like them.

Umbral RegentMay 21, 20196 votes

If they had filter enabled all they would see is "you you piece of"

No, they'd see "@#$% you you piece of @#$%", with the random characters being replaced by asterisks. (Opted for random characters here due to boards formatting.)

The words are censored, not completely omitted.

And even still; "piece of x" ("x" being "crap", "shit" etc.) is something so ubiquitous in today's language that it would be immediately understood what's being said, especially with the word "you" directing that comment at someone.

It's a directed insult, and that's against the rules.

EDIT: so yes you are getting banned for swearing in essence.

No, you're not. In the case described above, you're getting banned for telling someone to fuck themselves and calling them a piece of shit. You're getting banned, in that case, for insulting and harassing a player. The swearing is just emphasis for the insults and harassment.

Similarly, you can get banned for telling people they're "useless" and that they should uninstall; you can get banned for calling people "idiots", "morons", etc.

You're focusing solely on the use of swears in the example that you're completely ignoring any other behavior that could be punishable. If you refuse to acknowledge that point, then there's no more to be discussed here.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

It's not what you know its what you can prove. I'll play devils advocate and say that I can type astericks and make people think im being an ass when really I'm not typing anything reportable. So if i type with astericks....whos to say what the fuck im talking about?

KFCeytronMay 21, 20193 votes

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It's not what you know its what you can prove. I'll play devils advocate and say that I can type astericks and make people think im being an ass when really I'm not typing anything reportable. So if i type with astericks....whos to say what the fuck im talking about?

You know what you're talking about, the people you're talking to know what you're talking about, we know what you're talking about, and Riot knows what you're talking about. You're not convincing anyone, and if you think you have a chance of doing that, you're only fooling yourself.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

Yes! How stupid of me! Your !@#$ perception is everyones reality.

Tell me what word I used?

Ph03n1xb1rdMay 22, 20192 votes

I think it was the word: POTATO!

Did I win? O.o

TrulyBlandMay 22, 20193 votes

I'll play devils advocate and say that I can type astericks and make people think im being an ass

Then that is ultimately the meaning of those asterisks. Language is nothing more than a tool to convey thoughts. That's also why you can't "prove" anything regarding somebody's intention behind the words they use. Until we find a way to communicate telepathically communication will always rely on some degree of interpretation.

insomniacjezzMay 21, 20198 votes

That isn’t what I said. It’s the opposite in fact. Swearing on its own will never get you punished. Swearing while being toxic toward another player will get you punished. Being toxic toward another player without swearing will get you punished.

The swearing is irrelevant. A chat filter does not block toxicity that doesn’t include curse words.

Umbral RegentMay 21, 20196 votes

Chat filter is broken. Players willingly turn off chat filter...

People turning off the Mature Language Filter isn't an indicator that it's broken. It's an indicator that those people don't care for the filter.

...then report players for chat that they willingly subject themselves to. It's not an excuse to be toxic but it is fundamentally flawed.

Well, here's the thing; the Mature Language Filter is there for people who have lighter/different sensibilities in regards to swearing and curse words. It filters out and censors swearing, but it doesn't do the same for flame and abusive language.

Frankly, I don't see how you can 1. determine who voluntarily turns off the Mature Language Filter and 2. leverage that as an explanation for people getting punished.

You don't know who reports who, and you don't know who has their Mature Language Filter on or off; and I'd reckon that there are just as many people out there with it on who report misbehavior as there are those who have it turned off that do the same.

At the end of the day, the Mature Language Filter isn't flawed; you're simply misunderstanding its purpose.

Players should only be restricted if they manipulate chat to bypass the filter, and are reported. Otherwise how can any chat ban be justified. You willingly turned off your filter and that action may as well say "im ok with seeing anything in the chat"

Well, again, read above; the Mature Language Filter censors cursing and swearing, but it doesn't censor abusive language, flaming, etc;

And while, yes, the general idea being sent when someone turns off the Mature Language Filter is "I'm okay with seeing swearing in chat", it doesn't automatically translate to "I want chat to be a complete toxic cesspool".

And, regardless of what you believe, the rules take precedence over the existence of a Mature Language Filter, and punishments are justified by the rules. You should check out the Code of Conduct and the Summoner's Code for the rough details of the rules.

If you have filter disabled, any chat related report should be instantly thrown out.

No. The Mature Language Filter does not supercede the rules you agreed to, and it absolutely should not deny players the ability to report people for breaking those rules.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

I disagree, but I see where you are coming from and you make some valiant points for the other side.

I'm specifically talking about curse words. Not excessive flame.

I still think if you turned the filter off any report you give for chat should be null... If what someone said doesnt get detected by filter (like non curse flame) and someone reports it. Than its all good. They have filters enabled and the flame bypassed it.

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Kei143May 21, 20195 votes

You know it's not the words that get people punished, it's attitudes.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

and i got a big ol stick up my ass as some would say

KFCeytronMay 21, 20194 votes

TL;DR: OP got a chat restriction and is headed for more.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

many many more.

least i aint droppin money into this shit ever since the first one

And nah i dont get restrictions i get bans. I got no problem telling you that I cant ping stupid. Sorry

IFeltLikeAGringoMay 21, 20194 votes

I dont report to avoid naughty words that are gonna hurt my 32 year old virgin eyes. What does a filter have to do with it? Have you seen the mild chat that tilts the fuck out of people? It doesnt have to be swear words or anything. It just has to be accusatory, or antagonizing. Theres no filter that will block that. Ive seen teammates give up or resort to trolling just because someone gave them a snarky sarcastic "tip" like CoULd YoU SToP fEeDiNg?!

And you know that swearing isnt against the rules in the first place right? Like I say fuck and god dammit! And holy shit that damage! All the time. Never been punished.

House MoneyMay 21, 20191 votes

POINT BEING YOU SHOULDNT BE BANNED FOR PEOPLES INABLITY TO HANDLE IT