Banned 14 days for ridiculous reason

ZephyrSMist·Feb 10, 2018·1 votes·1,060 views

So I was playing in a losing team, and then most of us agreed that we would surrender. When we called surrender, a player declined and say "nope". So my response was saying, "Lol fa**ot" jokingly without any harm in mind. Then boom, right off the bat 14 days ban, no warnings, no 10 games chat ban. Well, you said 1 word that the system sees as offensive, for the very first time ? Here's your two weeks ban, enjoy ! Thx League of Legends.

Chat log: Game 1 ZephyrSMist: lol ZephyrSMist: %%%got ZephyrSMist: %%% ZephyrSMist: s

*I typed "%%%" agn because I was curious as I typed the word "%%%got" and only got four ***, I mean it's supposed to be six, so I made It clear that I am not saying Fu word.

44 Comments

Kei143Feb 10, 20188 votes

yeap.

It's part of Riot's zero tolerance policies, and they treat it pretty seriously.

Homophia / hate speech is not a joke. Hope you learn from this.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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yeap.

It's part of Riot's zero tolerance policies, and they treat it pretty seriously.

Homophia / hate speech is not a joke. Hope you learn from this.

Well I mean I should've gotten a warning, and 10 days chat ban instead of instant two weeks

ModWulf HelhammerFeb 10, 20187 votes

zero tolerance policies

ModPrandineFeb 10, 20182 votes

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Well I mean I should've gotten a warning, and 10 days chat ban instead of instant two weeks

While I understand your concerns understand that there is zero context where this kind of language is acceptable in this day and age, hence why it has a zero tolerance policy here. If you want to joke around like this then it should be done in a full pre-made group of friends who you know won't report you for it. Otherwise use this as a lesson to be respectful and mindful of how you act when around strangers, especially if your idea of a joke involves hate speech and racist comments. Basically just watch what you say before what you say watches you.

EDIT: From The Summoner's Code:

Remember, taking a jab at your friend in the middle of the game is a lot different than making a glib remark at a complete stranger. Someone who is unfamiliar with what you consider playful may take your comment as an attack and react unfavorably. If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible. Once communication breaks down, the likelihood of victory is drastically diminished. It isn't uncommon for simple, good natured teasing to spiral out of control into a loss, so do yourself a favor and don't run the risk of sabotaging your own success.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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While I understand your concerns understand that there is zero context where this kind of language is acceptable in this day and age, hence why it has a zero tolerance policy here. If you want to joke around like this then it should be done in a full pre-made group of friends who you know won't report you for it. Otherwise use this as a lesson to be respectful and mindful of how you act when around strangers, especially if your idea of a joke involves hate speech and racist comments. Basically just watch what you say before what you say watches you.

EDIT: From The Summoner's Code:

Punishments generally follow a basic escalation path: First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction Third Offense: Two Week Suspension Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

So this one word counts as "Excessive" negative behavior ? How do you know that one word is excessively negative ? There is no specification, and therefore it is absurd.

ModPrandineFeb 10, 20181 votes

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First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction Third Offense: Two Week Suspension Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

So this one word counts as "Excessive" negative behavior ? How do you know that one word is excessively negative ? There is no specification, and therefore it is absurd.

Hate speech, racist comments, death threats/wishes and the like always result in an escalated punishment. The specific word you used is a derogatory and offensive term and is commonly used as such, hence the zero-tolerance policy on it. Riot will never release a full list of words and phrases on what isn't allowed as some people will use that to skirt the line between punishable and not punishable.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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Hate speech, racist comments, death threats/wishes and the like always result in an escalated punishment. The specific word you used is a derogatory and offensive term and is commonly used as such, hence the zero-tolerance policy on it. Riot will never release a full list of words and phrases on what isn't allowed as some people will use that to skirt the line between punishable and not punishable.

Well... then they should say it that way "Hate speech, racist comments, death threats/wishes and the like always result in an escalated punishment." This is unfair, because some people that say F word should also be considered as delivering hate speech, yet they still got the First Offense step.

ModPrandineFeb 10, 20181 votes

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Well... then they should say it that way "Hate speech, racist comments, death threats/wishes and the like always result in an escalated punishment." This is unfair, because some people that say F word should also be considered as delivering hate speech, yet they still got the First Offense step.

The 14-day ban is the first offense step for players who get punished for things I outlined above in addition to poor gameplay behavior (i.e. intentionally feeding, intentionally trolling, etc.) because it's considered more severe then your traditional poor chat behavior. You shouldn't need a warning that these kinds of things are unacceptable, hence the harsher stance on them.

redniwediSFeb 10, 20182 votes

All non-permanent punishments are considered warnings that you will lose your account if you continue. The 14 day ban is their final warning that they are not going to put up with your actions, and is the first warning given if you break their zero tolerance policy.

People think of chat restrictions and the 14 day ban as punishments, and think there should be warnings, but to Riot the only punishment is permanently losing your account, and everything else is a harsh warning.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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All non-permanent punishments are considered warnings that you will lose your account if you continue. The 14 day ban is their final warning that they are not going to put up with your actions, and is the first warning given if you break their zero tolerance policy.

People think of chat restrictions and the 14 day ban as punishments, and think there should be warnings, but to Riot the only punishment is permanently losing your account, and everything else is a harsh warning.

From the FAQ: Punishments generally follow a basic escalation path: First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction Third Offense: Two Week Suspension Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

Since you think they have zero tolerance policy, then we should just remove the First and Second offense step, and just apply the Third to everyone without any excuses. Then I would gladly accept this punishment, because then it will be fair.

redniwediSFeb 10, 20182 votes

I often share this flow chart that describes it in a more visual manner.

https://i.imgur.com/ACZhFYu.png

They call it zero tolerance, but they do give you a second chance by having the first punishment be the 14 day warning. The first two tiers are there for people who are just arguing excessively or have a bad attitude, where as the 14 day warning is for people who either ignored the previous warnings or did something on Riot's zero tolerance list.

Your punishment is by all accounts fair. You agreed to Riot's behavioral guidelines, and if you didn't read them before agreeing that is your own fault. "Fair" means everyone is covered equally, not that it feels good to you, and Riot is most certainly fair in their punishments.

XidphelFeb 10, 20181 votes

That IS your warning.

Kei143Feb 10, 20181 votes

14-day ban is the warning for zero tolerance policies.

Be glad it wasn't a direct permaban.

rework trundleFeb 10, 20182 votes

It's not ridiculous because you used THE trigger words to get an instant 14 days ban.

RysophageFeb 10, 20182 votes

You do realize riot is in California right? SJW center of the world? you lucky it wasn't a permaban and a sexual harassment charge

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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You do realize riot is in California right? SJW center of the world? you lucky it wasn't a permaban and a sexual harassment charge

Nope, didn't know that. That word is only seen as offensive if someone sees it as inappropriate and insulting word, thus not allowing a community to use the word in a positive way. It only exists in a place where discrimination still exists.

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20181 votes

Post your full chat logs if you want a full informed opinion on the punishment.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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Post your full chat logs if you want a full informed opinion on the punishment. edited

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20183 votes

Then I'm not really seeing the problem in the ban.

You called someone a %%%got, then %%%, both unacceptable slurs, got reported, then punished.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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Then I'm not really seeing the problem in the ban.

You called someone a %%%got, then %%%, both unacceptable slurs, got reported, then punished.

It's something gladly acceptable to have a punishment of something relevantly lighter for the first time. This is like getting shot 3 times in the chest as a "warning shot".

ChermorgFeb 10, 20186 votes

You shouldn't need a warning shot to know hate speech is unacceptable.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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You shouldn't need a warning shot to know hate speech is unacceptable.

Come on, I mean that's a pretty common word to use in LGBT community.

ChermorgFeb 10, 20185 votes

No. It's not.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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No. It's not.

I've been using it all the time and everyone was fine with it....

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20182 votes

Someone reported you, so someone wasn't fine with it in that game.

Riot also wasn't fine with it.

So everyone isn't fine with it. You can't apply the behavior that you and your friends find acceptable to every social interaction.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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Someone reported you, so someone wasn't fine with it in that game.

Riot also wasn't fine with it.

So everyone isn't fine with it. You can't apply the behavior that you and your friends find acceptable to every social interaction.

Okay, I get your idea, someone might get offended by it. However, it should count as "first offense" as stated in the rules, and not instant two weeks. I didn't show any stated "excessive negative behavior", unless if you see that one word as excessively negative behavior.

And good to know that not everyone in League of Legends accepts an LGBT community behavior.

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20181 votes

zero tolerance

And I really doubt that the LGBT community as a whole like being called an insulting slur, but that's neither here nor there.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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And I really doubt that the LGBT community as a whole like being called an insulting slur, but that's neither here nor there.

As a whole, maybe not. But it's an acceptable word in that community.

XidphelFeb 10, 20181 votes

citations needed

LyndrisFeb 11, 20181 votes

I know plenty of gay guys, none are ok with that word. I also was a part of a LGBT chapter and, no, they also were not ok with that word.

sleepysithlordFeb 10, 20181 votes

Well, thats not necessarily true. I report everyone all the time despite never getting actually offended. I just do it cause there is no penalty for reporting someone and figure that the more other people get in trouble the less trouble I can get in

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20183 votes

Thankfully reports against people who do nothing wrong are ignored and players that are horrible people at their core are a minority.

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20182 votes

If you're going to use that analogy, wouldn't death be the equivalent of the death of your account?

If so, perma-ban would be the shot in the chest, this is the last warning shot that doesn't kill your account.

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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If you're going to use that analogy, wouldn't death be the equivalent of the death of your account?

If so, perma-ban would be the shot in the chest, this is the last warning shot that doesn't kill your account.

Alright great, so instead of being given a warning first, I would instantly got the warning shot, gotcha.

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20183 votes

As Chermorg said, certain behavior shouldn't need the warning for you to know it's unacceptable behavior towards a stranger.

EschetonFeb 10, 20181 votes

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Alright great, so instead of being given a warning first, I would instantly got the warning shot, gotcha.

You agreed to the terms and conditions and the summoner code. That should be warning enough. It literally says to not pull shit like this. Further, there is no way for us or the system to know who or what you are and if you use the word as hatespeech, or as a reapproprated nickname.

ModPeriscopeFeb 10, 20181 votes

I don't feel that's an accurate analogy.

To punish it with a chat restriction would place hate speech on the same severity as things like "this jungler sucks". The slur is worse than your every day toxicity

ZephyrSMistFeb 10, 20181 votes

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I don't feel that's an accurate analogy.

To punish it with a chat restriction would place hate speech on the same severity as things like "this jungler sucks". The slur is worse than your every day toxicity

Well that's solely your opinion on how you see it as "toxic".

ModPeriscopeFeb 10, 20181 votes

It's a homophobic slur. There's no place for it. And it seems like it was used as an insult

The IcebornFeb 10, 20181 votes

i had a 10 game chat ban for saying the F word and that was justified since i was toxic for a few games... but honestly thats unfair to ban for saying fa..ot -.- especially if its a joke but dont forget riot reviews all your chat log history! maybe u were toxic for a few games before ...