Perma'd For talking shit to a guy that talked shit first?

DetectiveMarble·Nov 24, 2016·2 votes·1,987 views

Basically, I got on my account today to play league of legends. I've always been a toxic player but i've never talked shit to my own teammates first. I've only ever responded to aggression with toxicity because there are some people who think they're better than everyone. On another note I've only had one temporary suspension from league of legends which was over a year ago. The chat logs I got back were absolutely toxic But there was no context to what the person wrote to me before to even start this. I'd be fine with a 3 week suspension but a perma ban because of 2 games where i talked shit as well as one of those games being to a player on the enemy team who starts shit first? The other one I flamed my jungler because the jungler called all of the laners idiots and shitheads for not winning lane when he never helped. Rethink the bans riot. If you cant unban my account I want everything on it refunded and put on another account that's level 30.

53 Comments

Deep Terror NamiNov 24, 20167 votes

Someone else being toxic first doesn't give you a license to do it too. All you do is make it worse and become another problem. Mute them and focus on the game, and report them if you have to. Riot will not typically remove or reduce a punishment unless it was an error, and they absolutely do not transfer content between accounts.

Dominick DestineNov 24, 20161 votes

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Words

WHAT THE FORNICATION

YOU HAVE A SPINNING NAMI UNDER YOUR AVATAR. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. How did this happen? I must know.

Deep Terror NamiNov 24, 20161 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/NfaEJp19

Akali PrimeNov 25, 20161 votes

mathematically two negatives equals a positive, the whole world is based on math and mathematics right? so two toxic people raging at eachother are mathematically good for league...right?....right?

TheSequelsRBadNov 25, 20161 votes

Fact.

XidphelNov 25, 20163 votes

No. Adding a negative makes more negative which is what this is.

Akali PrimeNov 25, 20161 votes

um no two negatives equal a positive can you even math? cant deny science bro

Void NargacugaNov 25, 20162 votes

That is only when you multiply.

Kei143Nov 24, 20165 votes

did you talk shit?

yes?

ok, then you'll get a punishment. they'll be punished at their own time, and you don't need to worry about that.

QualtarNov 24, 20163 votes

2 wrongs dont make a right...you know talking trash is not allowed even if they do it first riot also does not give out accounts

ShadòwNov 24, 20163 votes

why are all of this posts the same?

the same old "but i only flamed cause i got flamed" argument followed by "I want my stuff refunded".

your account is banned, your stuff is gone and you won't be able to do anything against it cause you agreed to the Terms of Use.

AstôlfoNov 24, 20163 votes

"Perma'd For talking shit"

There you have it. End of story.

Shubham SharmaNov 24, 20163 votes

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Basically, I got on my account today to play league of legends. I've always been a toxic player but i've never talked shit to my own teammates first. I've only ever responded to aggression with toxicity because there are some people who think they're better than everyone. On another note I've only had one temporary suspension from league of legends which was over a year ago. The chat logs I got back were absolutely toxic But there was no context to what the person wrote to me before to even start this. I'd be fine with a 3 week suspension but a perma ban because of 2 games where i talked shit as well as one of those games being to a player on the enemy team who starts shit first? The other one I flamed my jungler because the jungler called all of the laners idiots and shitheads for not winning lane when he never helped. Rethink the bans riot. If you cant unban my account I want everything on it refunded and put on another account that's level 30.

MOM HE DID IT FIRST. NO HE DID Momma Rito: BANNED, YOU BOTH ARE BANNED.

BewareTheIdesNov 24, 20162 votes

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Timethief49Nov 24, 20166 votes

Isnt charging the money back basicly fraud or theft? Im pretty sure thats not gonna end well

zzerakkuNov 24, 20161 votes

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Isnt charging the money back basicly fraud or theft? Im pretty sure thats not gonna end well

nah, skins and stuff like that arent material stuff.

Timethief49Nov 24, 20162 votes

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nah, skins and stuff like that arent material stuff.

Buying a game online (Download) isnt either and changing back is fraud/theft

zzerakkuNov 25, 20161 votes

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Buying a game online (Download) isnt either and changing back is fraud/theft

atleast i have access to that. if i dont have access to my stuff i want my money back, easy as that.

Timethief49Nov 25, 20162 votes

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atleast i have access to that. if i dont have access to my stuff i want my money back, easy as that.

If you go against the Terms of Steam or others by as an examples piating games they can also denie access

dapositivevikingNov 25, 20161 votes

it's not your stuff though, it's a one time fee for permission to use riot's skins.

AnomanderNov 24, 20164 votes

Why yes it is. Claiming to have never received a product when you have but then you violated the terms of service of said product is in fact fraud.

Will riot sue? No.(at least in all likely hood)

AstôlfoNov 24, 20161 votes

You cannot dispute charges.

DetectiveMarbleNov 24, 20161 votes

I can if i have enough power from the community and I dont have a history as a notoriously toxic player. Im not some tyler1 with 22 banned accounts. Again I say there i've only had 1 suspension and that was more than a year ago. I do not think I deserve a perma for two games and Yes I was pretty toxic in them but they were only replies to aggression. chat ban me for 1k games i dont really care But I dont want to spend hundreds of dollars on a game then get banned because I got angry in two games of league. I'd love to get in contact with a rioter about this

AstôlfoNov 25, 20163 votes

Incorrect. You have agreed to and signed the Terms of Use. Furthermore, no possible illegal actions have happened for which you can make a valid complaint. In addition, it is not your money you are disputing. The money is Riot's. Dismissed.

DetectiveMarbleNov 25, 20161 votes

I only mentioned the money because a couple of comments in the thread said I could possibly dispute it and get my money back. And I don't think you understand what I'm disputing. Im not disputing a ban as that'd be stupid I cannot stress that enough. I'm disputing the validity of a perma ban which are two very very different situations. I've had friends that got perma'd only after they had weeks of suspension and chat bans. However It was a very 0-100 situation with riot. I'd like a rioter to actually go on this forum as thats the best way for me to actually get information out of them. Most of the time riot isn't entirely transparent about things and sometimes it takes weeks for a ticket to be in. It helps if the community is able to view the situation and commentate on it I.E. Aidellaideskyheart. Also I never mentioned taking any sort of legal action versus riot. In reality things don't go as simple as "you violated the terms of use? welp you're banned." There are many variables which aren't acknowledged in the terms of use.

dapositivevikingNov 25, 20161 votes

when you say "only weeks of suspension and chat bans" you say that like that's not the normal punishment tiers

DetectiveMarbleNov 25, 20161 votes

They dont make sense because they didn't build upon one another. The 2 week suspension came an entire year or more before the 10-25 game chat bans which doesnt actually make sense since riot uses a tier system that builds up to a perma ban. Unless I was so extremely toxic in the entirety of those two games (which I wasnt, I only wrote about 10 things in the second game which lasted about 30 minutes and less in the 1st game) And my exact point is that those are the normal punishment tiers. And I had probably 2x less opportunities than they had. Its a matter of me not getting the punishment I think I deserved because of those two games, which IMO would be a 3 week suspension.

dapositivevikingNov 26, 20161 votes

ah. thank you for clarifying the bans.

DetectiveMarbleNov 24, 20162 votes

The problem is that I had absolutely no warning ban before getting the perma. I got chat banned twice for 10 then 25 games and thats about it. Personally I dont have a problem with getting a temporary ban however long it may be. Imo and the opinions of others I should've been given a 2 week ban. A perma ban for talking shit in two games is a bit much wouldnt you say? Again, the last time i got an actual suspension from league was over two years ago. And in one of the games which was the cause to my perma I shit talked the enemy team. And the idea of "he shit talked me first" Is a pretty valid one. In the court of law if someone attacks you then you are allowed to fight back aka self defense. If all of these people started it and I ended it why should I get a perma? Its a pretty childish idea but its a relatively valid one. If theres some entitled little shit on my team and hes calling everybody else trash im going to flame him because hes a dickhead. I shouldn't have had no warning pre-perma All these comments in here saying "if you trash talk you deserve a ban" is sort of narrow minded. Considering I said I did not have a problem with being temporarily banned. Let me say it again so that anyone else who sees this can know i said it I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEING TEMPORARILY BANNED.

Dominick DestineNov 24, 20164 votes

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The problem is that I had absolutely no warning..... I got chat banned twice for 10 then 25 games

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

DetectiveMarbleNov 24, 20161 votes

Is that a warning when that happens a while ago though? is a chat ban for 25 games go to a straight perma you tell me

Dominick DestineNov 24, 20161 votes

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Is that a warning when that happens a while ago though? is a chat ban for 25 games go to a straight perma you tell me

This is where I would be tempted to tell you to shut your DRAVEN mouth/fingers.

I was hit with a real zero-to-permaban punishment for significantly less toxicity than you. I have zero sympathy for players that get multiple warnings and then come to the boards crying about how they are so innocent.

You were specifically warned to cease your behavior. Again and again you chose to ignore these warnings at your own peril. You have paid the price..... your only move now is to either learn from your mistake/restart account or leave.

I despise the draconian system that Riot implemented, but I would never willingly violate it as you did. You are telling them they are right, you are proving their point. You are the evidence that feminists/leftists will use against me when they are looking for reasons to justify the draconian system. You are the problem.

EvilDustManNov 24, 20161 votes

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This is where I would be tempted to tell you to shut your DRAVEN mouth/fingers.

I was hit with a real zero-to-permaban punishment for significantly less toxicity than you. I have zero sympathy for players that get multiple warnings and then come to the boards crying about how they are so innocent.

You were specifically warned to cease your behavior. Again and again you chose to ignore these warnings at your own peril. You have paid the price..... your only move now is to either learn from your mistake/restart account or leave.

I despise the draconian system that Riot implemented, but I would never willingly violate it as you did. You are telling them they are right, you are proving their point. You are the evidence that feminists/leftists will use against me when they are looking for reasons to justify the draconian system. You are the problem.

I like to imagine him sitting in a corner, whispering slowly to himself, rocking back and forth. 'Climate change is not real. How dare the earth tell me to recycle.'

Dominick DestineNov 25, 20161 votes

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Climate change is not real.

That's really not what this thread is about, but leftist/feminists present climate change as some sort of cataclysm when it has been demonstrated that in reality it is a cyclical notion that humans have almost zero effect on, we're talking about cosmic events, something on such a grand scale that we cannot even fathom akin to the stages between the apex of the singularity that created the big bang and the stage upon which humanity began it's ascendance (I.e. immeasurable time).

Basically "Climate change" is the millenial generation's "SAVE THE WHALES". Anyone that brings up "Climate change" and attempts to argue that it is anything even slightly important is a person that I immediately dismiss as having very low intelligence.

All of that being said, the OP of this thread was justifiably permabanned and was not done so without warning. He had many opportunities to reform and ignored them all; Only when it was finally too late did he start to realize he may have done something wrong. MAY have done something wrong. This person has not learned his lesson if he thinks he deserves to get his account back.

EvilDustManNov 25, 20163 votes

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That's really not what this thread is about, but leftist/feminists present climate change as some sort of cataclysm when it has been demonstrated that in reality it is a cyclical notion that humans have almost zero effect on, we're talking about cosmic events, something on such a grand scale that we cannot even fathom akin to the stages between the apex of the singularity that created the big bang and the stage upon which humanity began it's ascendance (I.e. immeasurable time).

Basically "Climate change" is the millenial generation's "SAVE THE WHALES". Anyone that brings up "Climate change" and attempts to argue that it is anything even slightly important is a person that I immediately dismiss as having very low intelligence.

All of that being said, the OP of this thread was justifiably permabanned and was not done so without warning. He had many opportunities to reform and ignored them all; Only when it was finally too late did he start to realize he may have done something wrong. MAY have done something wrong. This person has not learned his lesson if he thinks he deserves to get his account back.

I got the laugh I needed, thanks.

Dominick DestineNov 25, 20161 votes

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I got the laugh I needed, thanks.

I aim to please, little leftist.

DetectiveMarbleNov 25, 20161 votes

"many opportunities" being two? after which the 1st ban I'd ever recieved I was clean for a year you're really pushing me here dude. I honestly would've rather you never posted your opinion here. And also I felt i relatively clearly acknowledged that I was a toxic person. I thought that a 0-100 in terms of a 25 game chat restrict to insta perma was a bit much especially because the reason for the perma was based off of two games. I Don't understand how I could possibly say that any more. Do I deserve a ban? yes, was a perma necessary? No. In my opinion which I suppose you would write off as bias I was toxic but not toxic enough that I was deserving of a perma. And you're idea of "reforming" must mean that i'm simply a broken, spiteful, person in your eyes no? You shouldn't comment on things you simply don't understand

Dominick DestineNov 25, 20161 votes

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"many opportunities" being two? after which the 1st ban I'd ever recieved I was clean for a year you're really pushing me here dude.

I went from zero-to-permaban despite not being punished for over 4 years prior to that. My toxicity was several orders of magnitude lower than yours.

I have no sympathy for you.

In my opinion which I suppose you would write off as bias I was toxic but not toxic enough that I was deserving of a perma.

I said exactly the same thing when it happened to me almost verbatim... except....

1-** I WENT FROM ZERO TO PERMABAN**. You did not, you had several warnings. and 2- I was MUCH less toxic than you.

Do you understand why I have no sympathy for you yet?

DetectiveMarbleNov 25, 20161 votes

The warnings were not scaled at all though. And you have no Idea on what level of toxicity I was on and I have No idea what toxicity you were on therefore you cannot make a single judgement on How much I deserved this ban. And everyone scales toxicity in a different way. So you cant really measure whether something is toxic or not. Are you a rioter in disguise or something? and if you truly went from 0-100 you're a bigger piece of shit than I am. Do not make a judgement when you have no idea what the variables are and I am not inclined to tell you exactly what I said.

Dominick DestineNov 26, 20161 votes

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The warnings were not scaled at all though.

Yes they were, even by your own admission.

you have no Idea on what level of toxicity I was on

From your posts here I would gather that your toxicity was moderate to high, mine was low to moderate (at best). Though you do have a point, reveal your chat logs and then we will see.... not that it's necessary but it would at least be interesting.

DetectiveMarbleNov 26, 20161 votes

what do you mean "even by my own admission"? I said that I had 1 ban from an entire week then two chat bans, suggesting that riot didn't think of me as a toxic player because I hadnt gotten any sort of ban for an entire year. It'd seem like they disregarded the ban from a year ago when they gave me the chat bans because it would've been scaled higher than a chat ban if they did. Also I've said this multiple times that I won't show the chat logs because I've told you they are toxic and I don't think you need to know. To me, it seems like you're angry your account got perma'd instantly and you had never even fought for it as I am now. Just because it happened to you does not mean that it is just for it to happen to others. Its not at all right if a player gets permabanned even though they recieved no warnings, or no way of scaling the warnings. For instance, someones account got chat restricted for 1k games instead of just a permaban 10,25,permaban is how mine went.

Dominick DestineNov 26, 20161 votes

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what do you mean "even by my own admission"?

You told us you were punished multiple times with incremental disciplinary action. That is what we call "scaling".

I said that I had 1 ban from an entire week then two chat bans, suggesting that riot didn't think of me as a toxic player

... u wot m8?

You get punished multiple times... and what you gather from these events is; "Riot didn't think of me as a toxic player" /boggle

ZippoBolterNov 26, 20161 votes

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Is that a warning when that happens a while ago though? is a chat ban for 25 games go to a straight perma you tell me

lmao atleast u got chat restricted and it ws 2 games, i got perma'd from 1 game without previous punishment

Timethief49Nov 24, 20161 votes

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The problem is that I had absolutely no warning ban before getting the perma. I got chat banned twice for 10 then 25 games and thats about it. Personally I dont have a problem with getting a temporary ban however long it may be. Imo and the opinions of others I should've been given a 2 week ban. A perma ban for talking shit in two games is a bit much wouldnt you say? Again, the last time i got an actual suspension from league was over two years ago. And in one of the games which was the cause to my perma I shit talked the enemy team. And the idea of "he shit talked me first" Is a pretty valid one. In the court of law if someone attacks you then you are allowed to fight back aka self defense. If all of these people started it and I ended it why should I get a perma? Its a pretty childish idea but its a relatively valid one. If theres some entitled little shit on my team and hes calling everybody else trash im going to flame him because hes a dickhead. I shouldn't have had no warning pre-perma All these comments in here saying "if you trash talk you deserve a ban" is sort of narrow minded. Considering I said I did not have a problem with being temporarily banned. Let me say it again so that anyone else who sees this can know i said it I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEING TEMPORARILY BANNED.

There is a difference between self defense and vigilantism

DetectiveMarbleNov 24, 20161 votes

Anything I say after he talks shit is self defense. Vigilantism would be what a lot of people do. Vigilantism is when you make a decision according to your own rights & beliefs. Me talking shit to him after he shit talked me is not vigilantism. That is me acting in a way of self defense for myself as well as my teammates, who this guy also bombarded with his bullshit. I don't think vigilantism even applies to league in any sort of way. Either way this guy gets no repercussion for starting shit but I get a perma ban for defending myself and my teammates vs him. If you want to look at it that way. I don't think this necessarily needs a law in order to understand whats happening. It's relatively self-explained, think of it in the simplest way and it makes sense. Also I have no idea what you may consider toxic and what you may not consider toxic. Im a relatively tough skinned person so if someone calls me a dickhead I probably won't report him and send that guy to Riot to be banished thats just not who I am.

Timethief49Nov 24, 20161 votes

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Anything I say after he talks shit is self defense. Vigilantism would be what a lot of people do. Vigilantism is when you make a decision according to your own rights & beliefs. Me talking shit to him after he shit talked me is not vigilantism. That is me acting in a way of self defense for myself as well as my teammates, who this guy also bombarded with his bullshit. I don't think vigilantism even applies to league in any sort of way. Either way this guy gets no repercussion for starting shit but I get a perma ban for defending myself and my teammates vs him. If you want to look at it that way. I don't think this necessarily needs a law in order to understand whats happening. It's relatively self-explained, think of it in the simplest way and it makes sense. Also I have no idea what you may consider toxic and what you may not consider toxic. Im a relatively tough skinned person so if someone calls me a dickhead I probably won't report him and send that guy to Riot to be banished thats just not who I am.

He shot me in the stomach, I shot him in the stomach, vigilantism. He shot me in the stomach, I shot him in the arm so he can't shoot anymore, self defense. Doing the same as he did is not self defense. Muting him or arguing in a non toxic Way so s self defense. Also i don't know your logs and cant see them here, so im calling this justified.

OnlyYouCanHearMeNov 24, 20162 votes

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Buying a game online (Download) isnt either and changing back is fraud/theft

Just chiming in to give a bit of support to this statement, as I've been seeing a couple people suggesting the chargeback lately. I would never advocate this. It is unethical, and a clear violation of the legal agreement that all players make with Riot games. While Riot might not think it worthwhile to sue someone over a $50 RP chargeback, it doesn't change the fact that they legally can do it. And should they decide to do so, not only would they win the case, the person sued would be responsible for all the legal fees involved.

This is a direct quote from the Terms of Use, which everyone agrees to when they click "I Agree.":

4.3. Do I “own” the Virtual Goods I unlock? (No. What you “unlock” is not the virtual good itself, but rather, a qualified right to access it in the Game.) You have no ownership or other property interest in any of the Virtual Goods you unlock, regardless of whether you acquired access to those Virtual Goods using Riot Points, Influence Points or Hextech Crafting. Virtual Goods have no monetary value. You can’t redeem them for cash. You can’t obtain any refunds for purchasing Riot Points or Virtual Goods, except as expressly permitted by us. You can find our current content refund policy here. We have the right to delete, alter, move, remove, or transfer any and all Game Content—including Virtual Goods—in whole or in part, at any time and for any reason or no reason, with or without notice to you, and with no liability of any kind to you. We don’t provide or guarantee, and expressly disclaim, any value, cash or otherwise, attributed to any data residing on servers we operate or control, including any Game Content attributed to your account. The sale or transfer of your right to access certain Virtual Goods, Influence Points, Riot Points or Hextech Items may only be conducted via services approved of or provided by us, if any.

zzerakkuNov 24, 20161 votes

most of the people on this board are just trolls and will always claim that your bans are justified and you are really toxic. i just think about trolls because i cant think about that they are serious, how can people be that triggered nowadays? how it comes that when i get insulted in a blizzard game like world of warcraft that i get no punishment when i shittalk back? maybe a gm will talk to you in private chat and you have actually a CHANCE to explain your messages. and now look at riot, THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT! their "everything is toxic" propaganda is really successful. and they know that almost every permabanned player will come back and have to buy their stuff again, thats why runepages and champs have the same prices and the ip gain is still the same. riot knows that. its all marketing!! i play this game since season 1 and i lost my main account in season 6 where i was already sick and tired of people who think they are the best for abusing broken champs. i litterally got banned for insulting champion kits on that account. and recently i got a 14 day suspension after 6months of being reformed because a enemy player tilted me so hard that i told him to stfu and he has no right to type for that champ he is playing. (ill post the screenshots when im on my main computer).

TalisidNov 26, 20161 votes

Flaming back at somebody who flamed you doesn't change the fact that both of you are ruining the game for the other 3 players on your team by spaming the chat with your pointless bickering.

AvolasoJun 16, 20181 votes

I got banned for saying I'l report somebody for cheating and then again, banned for making a joke that triggered somebody while there were actually using swear words to offend me first. League ban system is over sensitive liberal nonsense, I'm quitting this game for good. I'm not into using 200 genders nor for allowing others to bully me, while I stay silent. Fuck you riot, and your retarded ban system.