Perma-Banned vs Perma-chat restricted

GU3·Apr 15, 2016·3 votes·713 views

I've discussed this with friends and teammates alike, I do not understand the reason why riot doesn't provide perma-chat restriction opposed to permanently banning accounts.

I care because I just got a 5 year old account perma-banned. I deserved it. I know I have a problem with my toxicity. But there is no way to disable my chatting. Yes, I see the incoming "self control" comments, but it goes beyond that. Why not just give a simple out. Maybe let the teammates know that he wont be typing. I just don't understand why a company so well funded is screwing themselves with things the community has asked for before (i.e. self muting, sandbox, etc.).

Any insights as to why riot wants to remove players entirely opposed to removing simply the ability to be toxic is appreciated.

15 Comments

Reaper ReviewApr 15, 201610 votes

They used to have permanent chat restrictions, but then players took out their frustrations with in-game trolling instead, so now they're just permanently banned instead.

disregardableApr 15, 20164 votes

Adding on here:

The reason why they don't permanently mute players is that it leads to trolling. The reason why they don't permanently chat restrict players is that it does nothing. The point of the chat restrictions is to use resource limitation to make you think about what you say: it's not forcibly stopping you from being toxic. You can still be toxic every 3 minutes. The system is designed to make you want to stop being toxic.

When that resource limitation is proven to have no effect on you, the restrictions aren't helping anyone. Your team still has to put up with you being toxic every three minutes, and you aren't any closer to reform. And that's the ultimate goal: Riot doesn't want to tolerate you being toxic forever. They want you to stop being toxic entirely.

DrPepper30Apr 15, 20161 votes

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Adding on here:

The reason why they don't permanently mute players is that it leads to trolling. The reason why they don't permanently chat restrict players is that it does nothing. The point of the chat restrictions is to use resource limitation to make you think about what you say: it's not stopping you from being toxic. You can still be toxic every 3 minutes. The system is designed to make you want to stop being toxic.

When that resource limitation is proven to have no effect on you, the restrictions aren't helping anyone. Your team still has to put up with you being toxic every three minutes, and you aren't any closer to reform.

Well, obviously just like prohibition, gays and lesbians, drug abusers and criminals ALL behavior can be changed by one individual deeming it unsavory and then punishing said individuals. Its working in North Carolina isnt it. They just made their bathroom law and i hear that gays and transgendered people are now turning back into straight people. Same can be said with people that get angry obviously. Neither one is a mindset or emotion you are born with.

MeilinIIApr 15, 20163 votes

The trolling is real. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

DrPepper30Apr 15, 20161 votes

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The trolling is real. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Coming fromthe same individual that SUPPORTS sitting in a post-game lobby JUST to screenshot all the NASTY things you let people say about you to get some kind of revenge like a fucking toddler. OK.

MeilinIIApr 15, 20163 votes

I wouldn't bother screeenshotting it, I'd just report it and copy text into the comments. What are you smoking?

MeilinIIApr 15, 20164 votes

They used to. They found that anyone who couldn't be verbally toxic quickly turned 'nonverbally toxic' I.E. they trolled, griefed, and fed. Because of this, they stuck with bans.

DrPepper30Apr 15, 20161 votes

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They used to. They found that anyone who couldn't be verbally toxic quickly turned 'nonverbally toxic' I.E. they trolled, griefed, and fed. Because of this, they stuck with bans.

again, my jail analogy is why it doesnt work. either IP ban or fuckin put them in a dedicated queue for toxic people.

MeilinIIApr 15, 20165 votes

IP banning doesn't work. It's easy to change an IP and it punishes things like colleges and Wi-Fi cafes. And Lyte has said there will never be a prisoners island for toxic players. They'd rather ban the jerks so the rest of us don't have to deal with them.

DrPepper30Apr 15, 20161 votes

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IP banning doesn't work. It's easy to change an IP and it punishes things like colleges and Wi-Fi cafes. And Lyte has said there will never be a prisoners island for toxic players. They'd rather ban the jerks so the rest of us don't have to deal with them.

So what you are saying is once someone is banned thats it. They just resign to their fate like a drug addict or common petty criminal. "Ive been punished now i must move on forever and never play this game/steal/do drugs again". Or do they just fucking load up another account and repeat. NEVER in the HISTORY of mankind has it EVER been successful in policing the individual habits or traits of people you dont like. I dont care if someone rages in game. I honestly dont. I care when someone joins and leaves though. Others dont care when they have leavers but HATE when guys pick "fill" and just lock in the role they wanted to begin with. Some people dont like blacks or mexicans. The system is created when riot was still a very tiny company. They hired a drop-out psychologist who isnt qualified to be doing any of this. That retard "Lyte" is why you see people CONSTANTLY begging the compnay to STOP banning accounts so their BRAND NEW TO MOBA friends dont play three games and quit due to the same attitude that got the guy banned. He doesnt want "prisoner island" for toxic players becuase he ISNT QUALIFIED for the role he is in. Hes simply thinking "job security" over actually solving the issue. Now, if you believe that he will IN FACT be the first human ever to SUCCESSFULLY police the INDIVIDUAL TRAITS of a multicultural, multinational human population and change them, well...you wont convince me. Prohibition didnt work. War on drugs didnt work. War on islam and christianity didnt work. War on homosexuals didnt work. A war on "negative trait exhibited by every human being ever born" sure as fuck wont work either. Its simply job security over ACTUALLY solving the problem.

ErdrikApr 15, 20166 votes

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... They hired a drop-out psychologist who isnt qualified to be doing any of this. ...

Source?

Everything I've found says Lyte has a PhD and a Masters. Neither of which is given to drop outs. Further, they are in Cognitive Neuroscience and Cognitive Psychology, respectively. Which is very much the qualifications necessary for this.

themachampApr 15, 20161 votes

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Source?

Everything I've found says Lyte has a PhD and a Masters. Neither of which is given to drop outs. Further, they are in Cognitive Neuroscience and Cognitive Psychology, respectively. Which is very much the qualifications necessary for this.

Now if only they had a degree in common sense, it'd be all good.

MasterSomethingApr 15, 20161 votes

Now if only you had a degree in seeing the bigger picture and not limiting your view to just one side...

DrPepper30Apr 15, 20162 votes

The system is created by some college drop-out hack whos turning this into his own failed science experiment. I assume hes just writing a thesis on why policing the traits that you dont like works 100% of the time is a fucking fantastic idea. it worked for drugs and prohibition. EVERYONE knows that punishment (such as jail, or in this case a permanent account ban but you let them go back into "society) works 100% of the time. Honestly, this compnay hired a college drop out when it was still super small. Guy is a retard who just cant look at the species of humans as a whole. But hey, some people like not getting new friends into the game as levle 30 accounts are permabanned and just re-rolled into the NEW player base experience.