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unfair banning and how to get a ban overturned

yorickistosmall··2 votes·2,144 views

Game 1 yorickistosmall: ward blue pls swain yorickistosmall: tried to get bot a deep ward my b yorickistosmall: in thier jg yorickistosmall: fyi swain next time i dont follow i let u die alone on a play like that yorickistosmall: we have no vision cuz u refuse to play a support or buy a support item ' yorickistosmall: enjoy ur report darius yorickistosmall: im reporting riot can deal with autofill babys yorickistosmall: im reporting regardless of games outcome yorickistosmall: he trolling cuz he got autofilled yorickistosmall: reportable and bannable now yorickistosmall: autofill is a thing kid yorickistosmall: u didnt ur selected role so now u trolling us yorickistosmall: by not warding not buying a support item not supporting just split pushing yorickistosmall: ur laying like a top in a support role yorickistosmall: look they rift mid u still sit bo t yorickistosmall: that is trolling yorickistosmall: playing to lose yorickistosmall: swain wtf dude yorickistosmall: u ping for help yorickistosmall: then farm instead of help the people helping u yorickistosmall: we had him surrounded if u walk up yorickistosmall: but no ui sit and cs yorickistosmall: wait until we die then go in ez yorickistosmall: i mean u could hit him while me and swain were tanking yorickistosmall: instead of running circles doing nothinght that got me banned, i dont think i did anything wrong at all. you b the judge.

now ive been toxic in games before, but like many after being punished i reformed. then i get banned for this. pls riot and community help me out on this one. its unfair and unjust to punish a loyal customer over this.

22 Comments

Karunamon4 votes

yorickistosmall: fyi swain next time i dont follow i let u die alone on a play like that

Threatening to not help. (Also explicitly called out on the support pages as something that's bannable)

yorickistosmall: im reporting riot can deal with autofill babys yorickistosmall: u didnt ur selected role so now u trolling us

Insults and namecalling

yorickistosmall: im reporting riot can deal with autofill babys yorickistosmall: im reporting regardless of games outcome yorickistosmall: enjoy ur report darius

Constantly fucking banging on about reports, when this serves to do nothing but harass others.

You got banned because your behavior is way out of line with the summoner's code that you agreed to follow. The fact that you got a ban tells me that you were given two previous chances to change your behavior and have not.

9 X3 votes

He was communicating that he's not going to assist on a low percentage play, ergo making it clear any further actions Swain makes he's on his own because if he tries, he'll likely be caught out and killed himself. He provided constructive advice that his "strategy" simply isn't going to fly. Nothing wrong with this at all.

Nah, he was banned because Rito Games' enforcement of the rules is lazy and inconsistent, legitimately all it does is keep a tally on the number of reports and ban if certain key phrases were involved. Just ask anyone who's been banned for simply asking why they were just called the "n word" who had to put in a support ticket to get unbanned.

Karunamon3 votes

Okay. Let's say for a minute that that particular line was totally fine. Let's not pretend all the other stuff isn't in there either.

"Autofill babys" - much constructive, so nontoxic, very teambuilding. Wow.

9 X3 votes

Well let's not pretend he's talking to a wall either.

Odds are the people he was talking to were adding to the fire in their own way, and he simply turned out to be the prime target for online bullying both in-game and through a system that is supposed to discourage the behavior he was no doubt subjected to.

From the looks of it, he had a Darius support that didn't even build a gold-generating item. Yes, the Darius thing is against the meta, that in itself doesn't matter much, but if he can't at least get a support item for the role he was apparently assigned that's throwing away thousands of gold and dozens of wards. Basically playing to lose and that Darius absolutely should have been banned before any consideration of action against the original poster.

"Support" that's obviously refusing to play his role straight from the get-go? You can't build a team from nothing. That game was clearly a waste of time and I fully understand the original poster's frustration and grievance. Provided the story is accurate, Darius should have been permanently banned, the game result annulled and everyone else moves on. That would have been justice.

Karunamon3 votes

Well let's not pretend he's talking to a wall either.

Yup. He was talking to four other people who probably don't want to (and are not expected to) put up with someone flaming their performance all game.

Let's say you're one of the other two unnamed summoners who got these people in their game. The two "trolls", and OP. Do you think it's fair to them that they have to listen to this slapfight? If it were my game (and they were actually trolling, rather than just not doing what the bossy player wanted), I'd have reported all three.

The expectations are clear here. You are expected to mute trolls, rather than roll in the shit with them. Doing otherwise is just more trolling.

9 X2 votes

That's funny, I don't seem to recall the mute function having any effect on a player who outright refuses to play his role and is intentionally trying to lose the game for his team.

Karunamon3 votes

That's funny, the only source that these players are "outright refusing to play their role" and "intentionally trying to lose" is the banned player trying to get his account back. Biased source, perhaps?

Meanwhile, let's go look at the match in question:

Yorick: 6/12/12 OP: 3/7/10 Karma: 20/5/5 Ezreal: 5/8/11 Darius: 5/5/10

Hell, the Team KDA is quite close: 39 / 37 / 48 for his losing team vs 37 / 39 / 38 for the winning team (yeah, his team had two more kills). His team took 7 enemy towers and a dragon.

Tell me more about how this match was filled with feeders, please.

Oh, it gets better. OP had the second worst KDA, second worst damage, and second worst gold.

Perhaps this game could have been won if not for OP venting his spleen and trying to play LCS coach. It was pretty close. Perhaps he would have played better if he wasn't too busy flaming people.

Things like communication breakdown do lose games.

9 X2 votes

Aha, found the KDA player.

Who said anything about a match being filled with feeders? The original poster and myself have noted the designated support refusing to play support in any fashion, outside of perhaps physically being in the lane during the laning phase. Any progress his team may have made was in spite of the Darius, and their team may very well have won had the Darius actually bought a support item and tried to use it as that gold and vision would have surely meant the difference in a kill here or there and situations to capitalize on bigger objectives like barons and inhibitors.

Refusing to play meta support is one thing, refusing to buy a support item on top? That defies even the minimum expectations of a support. He also took a ton of CS (which is denying non-support players of gold) and didn't build boots which are practically mandatory on every champion, but especially Darius due to the nature of his kit. He may or may not have been intentionally feeding, but was Darius trying to lose? Absolutely.

Karunamon3 votes

The original poster and myself have noted the designated support refusing to play support in any fashion, outside of perhaps physically being in the lane during the laning phase.

What you have described is "off meta play", not "intentionally losing". (Is there a rule somewhere that stipulates lane position? I don't think there is.)

As I said, the game was quite close by every metric available. On top of that, it's a low ELO game.

I think what really happened is OP got upset when they didn't get to decide how the game played out, started lashing out at the rest of his team, possibly sparking an argument between two of them, and meanwhile the other two players get left with 3 other toxic players. The stats and closeness of this game back me up.

I've said all I intend to on this matter, you can have whatever last word you want.

9 X2 votes

I'm pretty sure when you look at the map for any given draft game, you'll see the position for "Support" is in the bottom lane. Playing Darius "Support" is "off meta". Playing Darius "Support without a support item", particularly early for a potential early snowball and subsequent power advantage early is also "off meta". Outright refusing to buy a Sightstone for the 40 minute duration of a game when you're Support? That's refusing to play your role.

You'll notice in high elo play supports almost universally run wards, the reason is that vision wins games. The LeBlanc pooping off didn't matter due to the lack of an actual support, which greatly hindered her ability to do anything. Those 20 kills mean nothing if your fed carry or the other four players have to constantly face check objectives. This is why it is considered the standard even in low elos to run a support item if you are support.

The prevalence of supports using support items in the majority of games in every elo back me up.

By the way, last word.

Chermorg2 votes

There is no requirement support, or any lane, buy any particular items.

9 X2 votes

Yeah great, that's cool story bro.

And way to completely miss the point. He stopped short of buying tears and coming out with a highly negative KDeh, shorted the rest of his team 5k+ gold through his itemization choices, CSing, costing his team countless vision and subsequent opportunities by refusing to play the role he was assigned (in this case it appears to be Support) which last I checked Rito Games supposedly does have a policy against.

Kay. You're part of the problem. Gotcha.

Chermorg3 votes

  1. It's not prohibited to get stomped on and die.

  2. Supports are not required to buy gold income items.

  3. Nobody owns CS in game.

  4. Nobody is required to purchase a warding item (although I'm pretty sure they're required to buy a trinket).

If that's all you have, it's not punishable because there's no rules against any of that.

9 X2 votes

Yeah great, that's cool story bro.

Time to change the rules. Maybe the regulators too.

Because as it stands now, you basically condone hard trolling in your games and that is why League is dying.

Gabresol1 votes

{quoted}

There is no requirement support, or any lane, buy any particular items.

yet, taking smite when going supp has history of getting players banned

Chermorg2 votes

No, taking smite and abandoning lane to "dual jungle" under the guise of support has gotten people temporarily suspended until they improve their communication with their team regarding their off-meta strategy.

Oleandervine3 votes

If you had reformed, as you say, you wouldn't have been banned. However, to get to a punishment tier, you have to be reported over many games. This means you're probably not as reformed as you're claiming here, if you're getting constantly reported to the point that you got banned.

RallerenP2 votes

Is this all the chatlogs?

In any case, you were told that you were on your last chance after the 14-day ban. While I wouldn't say you were extremely toxic or anything, your consistently negative behaviour over multiple games and condescending comments towards your teammates is what earned you the punishment.

Though is must say i find this very mildly toxic, edging on not even being toxic at all.

You can contact support and see what happens.

Anyways these are the lines the system had probably had problems with:

yorickistosmall: enjoy ur report darius yorickistosmall: im reporting riot can deal with autofill babys yorickistosmall: autofill is a thing kid

It's not alot, but it's enough I guess.

I still have a feeling that there must be more to it. Did you say anything in champion select or post game lobby, if so: What?

And while the chatlogs may only show one to three games, there is a high chance that the system picked up on earlier games, but didn't include them in the chatlog.

Kei1432 votes

No one says support have to get gold income items.

yorickistosmall2 votes

To all of u message board trolls. Point 1 -didn't care about gold income item but when u r the support and state in chat our not supporting not warding that u r just going to split lush Cuz u were autofilled then u r A huge issue in this community. U are intentionally losing Cuz u Dont agree with auto fill. This ruins games and the community on a whole. And for all u saying i deserved the perma ban here comes the funny part. Riot realized the ban was unjust and rectified the situation by taking away the perma and giving a 14 day. Not the exact outcome I hoped for but better than a perm ban.

yorickistosmall1 votes

this is the only caht log that was provided as the ban reason.

i Playy Naked1 votes

TBH, its because of the "wtf" you put i chat. I've noticed a trend of people getting questionable logs and they all have a "wtf" with seemingly no other real bannable chat messages. I'm sure other games logs played a large role too, but this one was almost surely just "wtf" so be sure not to say it.

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