This entire game is a troll.

For Honor Please·Feb 15, 2018·4 votes·1,236 views

Its not worth trying to honor level, bringing positivity to the team chat and hoping for a full team honor boost. Not when you consider the amount of ass holes you have to force your self to put up with on and off the chat.

Game is full of ass holes. No point in trying. This game sucks. Fuck this bull shit. The more you level up the more the more ass holes you have to deal with in the game play. Not worth playing this fucking game if that's all it has to offer while you're just trying to play for honor.

Make a better game, Riot.

77 Comments

HethaleanFeb 15, 201813 votes

“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.”

― Raylan Givens Justified

ChermorgFeb 15, 20189 votes

Based on my friend who actually got permanently banned then came back and hasn’t had a punishment (or been toxic) since... this is so true. The attitude of the player does impact how much toxicity they experience in the game.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20181 votes

I agree. A lot of people discount their input to the equation.

Ph03n1xb1rdFeb 15, 20181 votes

Yea, mostly when they suck like an inter and ruin the game for others... Let's be honest, when somebody get flamed it's most likely because he deserves it...

HethaleanFeb 15, 20184 votes

That's the sort of mentality that perpetuates a poor community. Because who decides who deserves the flame? The person flaming thinks they decide that and flames. That injects more negativity into the game, and those 4 to 9 other players than go to the next game with that same mentality and flame people that THEY think are doing bad or picking bad or anything. It's just a poor excuse for being abusive.

Ph03n1xb1rdFeb 15, 20181 votes

Oh, because "Being bad" is not only a good excuse to ruin the game for a whole team?

Tell me, why are trolls always defended by some reasons? Why cant some people just accept, that trolls exist and since Rito doesn't do anything about them, the community will flame them, since they feel totally helpless against them. While you can mute a flamer, you can do NOTHING if you have a troll, and it wastes at least 20 minutes of game, while a flamer has no impact at all.

HalcyonDwellerFeb 15, 20183 votes

People suck sometimes. Get over it mate. It's not an excuse for you to treat them like dirt.

Ph03n1xb1rdFeb 15, 20181 votes

There is a big difference between being bad bc you are not in a good mood, or intentionally throwing the game...

You just came up with the same "being bad" excuse. Joke....

HalcyonDwellerFeb 15, 20183 votes

I was responding to your first sentence. And regardless, you're contributing to the negative experience of the 3 other players when they already have to deal with the person who is already trolling. Don't make things worse, that's not an acceptable solution.

Ph03n1xb1rdFeb 15, 20181 votes

If you are totally helpless against somebody, who intentionally ruins your game. And wastes your time (since if you leave or go afk, you get punished), so basically you are held as a hostage (from the point of the game). You will get upset, this is the totally normal reaction, and the guy deserves all the flame he gets.

But sadly Rito did not even recognize the problem yet, so they are threating the symptoms(flamers) and hope that somehow the problem(trolls/inters) will disappear. But this is not the case.

Why do you see a lot of flamers nowadays? Because players are fed up with being totally fckin helpless against trolls/inters who ruin the game. Just "for science" or because I am an asshole (feel free to decide), I have another account for like 2 years now, where I intentionally troll every 2nd or 3rd game, and for some reason I get flamed in those games (Can you guess why?), but in the rest of the games, when I have a decent team, I don't see any toxicity. And this can go on for 2 years, and Rito still didn't ban that account, where MY TROLLING causes toxicity (but somehow i'm sure, some of the flamers got punished)....

HalcyonDwellerFeb 15, 20184 votes

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If you are totally helpless against somebody, who intentionally ruins your game. And wastes your time (since if you leave or go afk, you get punished), so basically you are held as a hostage (from the point of the game). You will get upset, this is the totally normal reaction, and the guy deserves all the flame he gets.

Getting upset is perfectly reasonable. Taking it out on others is not.

It does not matter whether the person deserves to be flamed or not. The rest of the team doesn't deserve to have to deal with the impending flame war and the impact it will have on the rest of the game.

But sadly Rito did not even recognize the problem yet, so they are threating the symptoms(flamers) and hope that somehow the problem(trolls/inters) will disappear. But this is not the case.

That is a misconception. Just because flaming gets punished more often does not necessarily mean that Riot only cares about that form of misbehavior. Riot is limited by their tech so that they cannot detect and punish gameplay trolls as easily as they can detect and punish flaming. The result is more flamers getting punished than gameplay trolls, but this is not a direct indicator that they do not care, because there are other factors that also affect this ability to detect and punish behavior.

Why do you see a lot of flamers nowadays?

I don't.

Because players are fed up with being totally fckin helpless against trolls/inters who ruin the game. Just "for science" or because I am an asshole (feel free to decide), I have another account for like 2 years now, where I intentionally troll every 2nd or 3rd game, and for some reason I get flamed in those games (Can you guess why?), but in the rest of the games, when I have a decent team, I don't see any toxicity. And this can go on for 2 years, and Rito still didn't ban that account, where MY TROLLING causes toxicity (but somehow i'm sure, some of the flamers got punished)....

Since you haven't come forwards with that account to substantiate that claim, I have no way of knowing if you are telling the truth. But assuming that you are telling the truth, as I said before - tech limitations impede things.

Ph03n1xb1rdFeb 15, 20181 votes

The rest of the team doesn't have to deal with flaming, they just ignore it, or mute... Don't tell me, its so hard to ignore somebody if he's not even talkin' to you...

Detecting somebody who trolls for 2 years every other game can NOT be so hard. You can not blame the tech on this, if they don't have the tech, then it means they do not care, not that it's impossible...

That's why I see post all the time on the boards crying like "Somebody told me to kys" or "Somebody called me a %%%%%%" or things like this...

Ye, ofc I should give you the name of the account, or come to boards with that account braggin' that I troll. You know Rito should detect it itself, and not get spoonfed the names of inters on boards admitting that they troll... And as I told, this should not be a tech limitation nowadays....

HalcyonDwellerFeb 15, 20181 votes

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The rest of the team doesn't have to deal with flaming, they just ignore it, or mute... Don't tell me, its so hard to ignore somebody if he's not even talkin' to you...

They do, because they are going to have to see it one way or another before they figure out that they need to mute you. And hate speech is offensive enough to hurt people even if you aren't specifically addressing them with it.
They still do have to deal with it even if they mute you, because you and the other player are going to become distracted arguing, and that will impact your performance, and thus make you a less valuable contributor to the team.

Detecting somebody who trolls for 2 years every other game can NOT be so hard. You can not blame the tech on this, if they don't have the tech, then it means they do not care, not that it's impossible... ... And as I told, this should not be a tech limitation nowadays....

I agree that it shouldn't be a limitation, but the fact of the matter is that it is. The difference between intentional feeding and off-games is not a simple thing for AI to decode, therefore it is much harder for Riot to come up with an efficient system for detecting and punishing it. It would not be an acceptable option to significantly increase the potential for false punishments.

That's why I see post all the time on the boards crying like "Somebody told me to kys" or "Somebody called me a %%%%%%" or things like this...

It's not as common as you might think. When a person feels a strong emotion, they can be moved to act. When they are happy then they are unlikely to take similar effort to act.

People come to the boards to complain because they have had an incredibly upsetting experience, and for every one complaint we see on the boards there are many more people who are content with their latest match. Not to mention that we see just a few complaints in any given day. These complaints are greatly outnumbered by the number of games played in the same day without people ever being moved to complain.

Using boards complaints as a metric for how common a problem is is not very reliable. You would be better off requesting Riot for annonymized data on reports submitted through the end-of-game screen.

Ye, ofc I should give you the name of the account, or come to boards with that account braggin' that I troll. You know Rito should detect it itself, and not get spoonfed the names of inters on boards admitting that they troll...

Whether Riot should or should not be able to detect it is irrelevant to your argument claiming it is a problem. If you wish to prove that it is a problem then you can present the evidence, or don't. But then your claim is unsubstantiated, and your argument is rendered irrelevant.

What you're doing here is the equivalent of rank shaming people and then when they call your own rank into question you say, "this is just my alt account, I'm challenger on my main." Yeah fucking right buddy. You're just making excuses for not putting your money where your mouth is.

[sg-miss-fortune]

Ph03n1xb1rdFeb 15, 20181 votes

Okay, lets start...

Yes, they have to see 1 or 2 toxic sentences. Does this affect their gameplay? Does this give gold to the enemy? Does this deal damage? Steal XP, regenerate mana? The answer to all these questions is NO. So it doesn't affect their performance. And if you flame, you don't have to play worse, this is just stupid.

Now we really should clarify what you mean by "off game", since dying every 2 minute, having almost no farm, building MR against a full ad team, pushing your lane 24/7 without ward and constantly dying to enemy jungle is not "off game". "Off game" is when you miss some CS, miss an ultimate, accidentally flash randomly, miss smite etc... And TBH if you have an "off game" every 2nd or 3rd match, then you deserve it....

IDK what game do you confuse LoL with, but this is a very usual thing. From personal experiences and from boards (which I agree on, is not a representative source), but I don't see you either providing me any data except your opinion.

I told you my reasons why I wont give up that acc. You may accept it or not, you don't have to believe me. Lucky your belief doesn't change Rito's system at all, so this case remains the same. And no, It's totally different, I totally agree, that on that account I troll those games. I don't want to make it look nicer or anything and neither I find excuses for it, those are pure intentional losings.

HalcyonDwellerFeb 15, 20181 votes

Edit: deleted and moved, because we are out of reply space.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20185 votes

You're equating trolling/intentionally feeding (intentionally is a key word here) with just having an off game or a bad game. Flaming isn't a solution to the problem. It's just a balm to your own emotional wound. It solves nothing. You're admitting to intentionally doing bad. That's not the same as just having a bad game. I think the distinction between the two is quite important. I find it odd that you seem to hold both opinions at the same time. "There is a difference between the two" and "hey, just flame them, they're doing bad" as a paraphrase.

There seems to be a catharsis for a lot of people (when there shouldn't be) in categorizing anyone doing poorly as intentional even if it is an inaccurate assumption. It seems that this justifies to themselves internally any behavior with which they react. It's not a good reaction. It does nothing to stem the tide of bad behavior. Like I said earlier, it's just an excuse to behave poorly, and feel justified.

You asked "being bad" is an excuse to ruin a game. For one, if you're being bad, it's not that easy to just "Not be bad". You seem to want them to not be bad, but you admit that you'll just flame them. An endeavor pretty much guaranteed to do nothing but make them perform worse than they already are.

You might be right that you have no agency when you have an intentional troll. On the other hand, you have some agency when someone is playing poorly. I leave that to you to figure out as it's too lengthy. You also claim that a flamer has no impact at all. That is quite demonstrably false.

I think that your opinion on why there are so many flamers nowadays and mine differ quite highly. I feel that the prevalence of flamers stems from people lacking the tools to manage their expectations and emotions, so that both of those get out of their own control. This is followed up by a typical list of reasons so they can avoid any cognitive dissonance (mainly "they're doing bad and it's not their fault. It's not an attack on me" vs "I am angry at this" the first meaning there's no reason to be angry, yet you are angry). Some measure of frustration can be expected, but I think that it is best to get yourself into a state where that frustration is your first and only reaction. Stress does not aid you.

You're not totally helpless against someone doing poorly. There is always one player on a team that is the worst player in the game or on the team. Game wins still manage to happen.

EDIT: This is my last response to this as Deep Terror Nami already got on my case for 'being negative' somehow in this post, and don't wish to press my luck further.

Ph03n1xb1rdFeb 15, 20182 votes

I'm really sad, that we cant continue this discussion, since this could help to get some insights on the thinking of the other side.

But I don't want to react to your points when you cant elaborate on those, so thanks for this discussion anyway.

The other thing is that, it is a bad joke, that your post got marked somehow being negative, since I, who the post is directed to, can not find any offensive or negative in it. This is just Rito's censor again on meaningful discussions, they only like the Rito fanboys, who just accepts everything what they do...

HalcyonDwellerFeb 15, 20181 votes

For what it's worth none of this seemed negative, and you could probably proceed with a discussion along these lines so long as you do not turn to using personal insults.

Edit: Unfortunately you're almost out of reply space on the chain, so any comment you make might not nest correctly and Phoenix and I might not receive notifications for any replies you post to our two comments that appear under here.

BoostedMessiahFeb 15, 20181 votes

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“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.”

― Raylan Givens Justified

The writers of Justified obviously never played League of Legends.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20182 votes

You can suggest that they did not, but in my experience, I find it still translates very well. I rarely encounter assholes, and as you can double check, I'm silver 5. Most people state that Silver is the worst ELO for toxicity. I'm not sure if I agree with that statement, but there it is. That is not to say that I don't have my weak moments of being an asshole, but everyone does.

Jo0oFeb 15, 20181 votes

Damn, I miss that show so much.

ChermorgFeb 15, 20189 votes

So.. you’re blaming Riot and the game for players’ actions?

Just mute them and move on, and report them at the end of the game so they will be punished if they deserve it.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

Yeah, I shouldn't have to do this every game I play in draft mode. I can't even report people who are intentionally doing things just to annoy you. And why is it that 1% of the games I play only gets a full team honor boost. What the fuck is wrong with people? Just click the fucking button, dude. Worthless ass game play expereince.

Umbral RegentFeb 15, 20185 votes

And why is it that 1% of the games I play only gets a full team honor boost. What the fuck is wrong with people?

Maybe some people don't feel like honoring others in a given match? It's not up to you whether everyone honors each other or not, and if you don't get the honor bonus from everyone honoring - so what? It's not like you're going to die without it.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

So 99% of the time every one jsut ignores the honor pop up? Great expereince, for sure. What am I even doing here if that's all there is to this? Why am I even trying? I am going to die with out getting even a little honor. Its a serious condition I have. Its called THISGAMESUCKSDELETEMYACCOUNTPLEASE.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20181 votes

I know that after most matches I pet my dogs for a bit and frequently miss the honor pop up.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

Dogs are stupid and ugly. You should be honoring your team mates.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20182 votes

Not sure if you're joking or not, but if you're not, then you're entitled to your opinion I guess. Personally, I'm more likely to save my dogs than the vast majority of humans in emergency situations. Just a personal preference / the amount of bonding that I have with my dogs.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

When I play coop. Its clearly a win every game. There are some cool plays. Especially when saving your team mates butt from a 5vs1 under enemy turret. No honor? That's fine. Its only a 15 - 20 minute game.

Draft mode. Let me spend 50 minutes of my time greeting you people with inspiration hoping that I can call a verbal reward on your stunning progress only to witness horrible play, socializing (if any at all) and completely waste my time honor the most deserved team mate win or loss just to see absolutely nothing has been earned or gained from it.

Wow. :)

Playing with real people.

Wow.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20181 votes

Since you gain nothing if not honored, why do you play League if it's only to get honored after the match?

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

Exactly. So I'm right, in the end. Its pointless. Its worthless. So I'm not going to continue this, any more. Maybe I'll rant aftewards about it because I don't want to continue this pointless adventure any more. Does not mean I will continue to put up with it. I was sure I got that acrossed in the main post. Glad you finally understand, though.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20182 votes

If your intent is just to come here and unload your emotions in a sort of catharsis, there might be easier and more helpful ways to achieve that relief. If you weren't being emotional (like below), then you have a rather emotion laden diction to your writing which confuses the reader.

We were all just pointing out how you're probably the reason that you're seeing so much toxicity and not being honored. I'm not sure if you got that in our responses in contradicting the 'it is worthless' premise of your statement. We can read it, and understand it. I actually understood that your intent was to suggest that there is no point in trying since there are so many assholes which means that they will not honor you.

Did you get that my point was that maybe you're the reason that you're seeing so many assholes and that no one is honoring you? Honor leveling is slow. You shouldn't expect to be honored by everyone. No one is going to be the shining beacon in every game that everyone remembers when time boils down to decide who to click to honor. All you can do is continue on just being positive in your games, and you'll get there. It's unrealistic to expect it every game. You'll be a lot less stressed for it in the end as well (see the emotional handling comments I mentioned earlier)

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

And just to remind you once again. I am not being emotional about it. I'm not mentally stressing out about it. So don't be a troll telling me other wise. I'm just saying this shit isn't worth it.

Jo0oFeb 15, 20183 votes

It really seems like you are, though.

Umbral RegentFeb 15, 20181 votes

So 99% of the time every one jsut ignores the honor pop up? Great expereince, for sure.

And so what if they do? It's not like everyone honoring each other is going to massively expedite Honor progress - sure, it'll give you a small boost, but it's still going to be a year-long build-up.

Besides, what do you care whether or not other players honor anyone? It's their choice, and it really doesn't pertain to you, at all.

Its a serious condition I have. Its called THISGAMESUCKSDELETEMYACCOUNTPLEASE.

It seems clear to me that it's not the game, it's your attitude. Perhaps you should take some time away from League and clear your head?

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

Yup. Its totally me. People not honoring after game? Totally me. People posting shit in chat? Totally my fault. Team mate taunting your death by spamming question marks and your respawn time? Definitely all on me. Its definitely my attitude that causing this game play expereince. You're so smart, dude. You deserve a medal.

Even though I only at least play one game a day just to get win of the day and if it fails I move to coop to get it because ass hole draft players are more annoying than chasing down a bot behind enemy turrets.

Definitely all of me. Ranting about these issues in pre 30 levels when every level gets more toxic than the last even when you've spent most of those levels grinding in bots. DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO DO WITH MY MENTAL STATE. I hadn't realized I was the creator of this game. Damn.

Usägi TsukinoFeb 15, 20181 votes

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Yup. Its totally me. People not honoring after game? Totally me. People posting shit in chat? Totally my fault. Team mate taunting your death by spamming question marks and your respawn time? Definitely all on me. Its definitely my attitude that causing this game play expereince. You're so smart, dude. You deserve a medal.

Even though I only at least play one game a day just to get win of the day and if it fails I move to coop to get it because ass hole draft players are more annoying than chasing down a bot behind enemy turrets.

Definitely all of me. Ranting about these issues in pre 30 levels when every level gets more toxic than the last even when you've spent most of those levels grinding in bots. DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO DO WITH MY MENTAL STATE. I hadn't realized I was the creator of this game. Damn.

When people spam ping you, You mute it or laugh it off. Don't cry over someone pinging your dead corpse. And most of the time. It is your attitude that will cause others to be assholes.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20181 votes

This is serious and not pointing fingers. Have you considered therapy or anger management? You seem like you might have troubles controlling some of your emotions. It's not NECESSARILY a failing. It takes a while to develop some of that stuff. I have a friend who describes it quite well about therapy. You go to the gym to work out and improve your body. You go to a therapist to help improve your mind and emotional well being. The stigma against therapy these days I think is unjustified, and as a culture, we're too afraid of it.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

Oh baby. Please tell me more about how people being ass holes the farther I get into the game and how lacking the use of the honor system is game by game has every thing to do with my psychiatric needs. It turns me on.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20182 votes

I mean it should be self explanatory that your interpretation of the world and how much stock you put into others affects you. I don't know how to describe it more than this. I don't expect praise (aka getting honored) after a match. If someone is saying bullshit, I'm to a point psychologically that I just mute them and I am unaffected. I could probably go all match with them not muted actually, but I don't need extra things to read.

Also there is a subtlety that you're missing. "People being assholes the farther I get into the game." as a comment tells me that things are escalating, and that I can surmise that you're part of the problem if not the start of the problem by either being too touchy about what someone says and you go off... then they're too touchy and they go off.

If you need further explanation, then you're beyond my assistance. Just the level of sarcasm and derision that you're bringing to the table here confirms it for me.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

There is a sad misunderstanding between you and I. I don't think this is going to work out. We should see other people.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20183 votes

If you don't want to introspect your own actions and see how you could possibly be affecting the negativity in which you experience, maybe some day you will. However, if you wanted to just do an experiment, look at how you wrote this post, and how you're responding to everyone. Not everyone here has been insulting you or 'coming to get you', but you're being pretty unilaterally negative. You described people playing poorly (chasing down bot players behind turrets) as assholes. With no context but what you've provided, it's hard to see how that can just be them being an asshole, yet you've categorized them as such.

Usägi TsukinoFeb 15, 20182 votes

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If you don't want to introspect your own actions and see how you could possibly be affecting the negativity in which you experience, maybe some day you will. However, if you wanted to just do an experiment, look at how you wrote this post, and how you're responding to everyone. Not everyone here has been insulting you or 'coming to get you', but you're being pretty unilaterally negative. You described people playing poorly (chasing down bot players behind turrets) as assholes. With no context but what you've provided, it's hard to see how that can just be them being an asshole, yet you've categorized them as such.

This ^

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

I never said any thing about players chasing down bots behind enemy turrets being ass holes. Try reading again.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20182 votes

Ah, you edited it. The wording was ambiguous. If not, it was a simple misunderstanding. Yet you were mildly insulting with your reaction. I'm not sure how much evidence you need before you actually see that you're probably part of the problem that you experience.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

Find a match.

Remind people to have fun and not to forget to honor a team mate after a game.

Team does the opposite, mostly.

Some how I am part of the problem..

Good bye troll. You're not going to get under my skin that easily.

HethaleanFeb 15, 20181 votes

That's pretty reductive, but the behavior that you exhibit here belies the picture that you paint. I'm not trolling. I'm merely responding to the person that you are presenting here.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

I mean. Stupid commentors with misunderstanding comments will get stupid comments in response. If you don't like that. Then don't be stupid about your comments. Like accusing someone for editing when a comment has even been quoted by some one else as proof and that some one else has read it to prove you wrong.

You're being a troll.

LeylaniaFeb 15, 20181 votes

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Log in.

Find a match.

Remind people to have fun and not to forget to honor a team mate after a game.

I never honor people like you. If someone at the beginning of the match tells me I should honor after the game then I already know that this person doesn't give a shit how honorable anyone is, they just want to rank up. I do honor people who actually made the match more fun or who carried the game, not some random dude that begs for honors so he can get rewards.

And the way you answer this passive-aggressive to everyone here makes me think that you are definitly not as friendly as you try to make yourself look.

For Honor PleaseFeb 15, 20181 votes

I'm sorry. I just take passive accusing comments passive agressively.