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Do you think this should warrant a permanent ban?

Kamakas·12/1/2019, 6:58:00 PM·12 votes·8,270 views

Okay so I just logged into the game and found I was permanently banned from the game. Now as I read from the forum rules this is not the place to get punishments overturned, and that's not my goal, I was planning on quitting anyways, this is a nice chance for this. So I'm posting to just ask your opinions, do you think this kind of in-game talk should warrant a permanent ban or not?

And yes, I have been punished in the past aswell, however never for something that you might see in-game where people wish the C word to your family, or ask you to k*s etc.

The problem in my opinion is the automatic system of punishments. Once you have been punished before, the next punishment seems to automatically be harsher than the last one, in a strick defined line. So If you get chat restricted for a minor offence, the next minor offence will be a longer restriction, then ban, then permanent ban. But from the fact that I have still lately seen people showing what I would call "extreme" toxicity, wishing all kind of things to you and your family, being extremely racist etc, I have a feeling they are not getting banned faster, than someone like me. If I am right, being extremely racist is considered the same as saying "ok u are dumb" in Riots eyes.

Anyway here's the chatlog that got me permbanned

In-Game Kamakas: not so early Kamakas: we can poke tho Kamakas: ye Kamakas: okay lol Kamakas: this rengar Kamakas: is just solocarrying Kamakas: lol Kamakas: u just saw how he is sitting bot lmfao Kamakas: how can u still flame Kamakas: ok u are muted kha so dumb lol Kamakas: 2 kills and 20cs ahead playing 3vs2 and jungler blames lmfao Kamakas: u dont listen Kamakas: just ff Kamakas: kha is farming its fine Kamakas: lol Kamakas: what a joke Kamakas: 1 kill participation vs 7 XD Kamakas: 2 kill participation jungler Kamakas: vs 9 Kamakas: XD Kamakas: just go next lol we cant win with this difference Kamakas: U HAD FLASH XDDDD Kamakas: oh my god let me out Kamakas: press yes lol Kamakas: inting Kamakas: report Kamakas: so bad lol Kamakas: not with these plays

97 Comments

Hotarµ12/1/2019, 8:00:33 PM10 votes

Something everyone is glossing over is that while OP's punishments may not have been for anything severe, they were still punishments all the same.

When you receive any punishment, you're warned that further offenses will lead to more severe punishments down the line, up to and including a permanent suspension. On the 14-day suspension reform card, it explicitly states that "Any continued negativity will result in a permanent ban."

Imagine you're in a store with 2 other people, the shopkeeper and another customer. The other customer pushes a rack over ruining a bunch of merchandise and making a mess of the place, they're immediately kicked out. You disrupt a customer, the shopkeeper asks you not to do that again. You do it again, the shopkeeper asks you again, a little more sternly, to not do that. You do it one more time and the shopkeeper shouts, telling you that the next time you bother a customer, you will be kicked out.

Any disruption no matter how big or small will get you kicked out, or in this case, permanently banned, because you have been warned multiple times and you're on your last straw.

Your account was pretty much hanging off a cliff, you exhausted all your chances and Riot specifically said "Hey, if you do this again, you're out." It's unfortunate that you got suspended, but even these short logs have problematic elements in them like asking for reports, giving up early/begging your team to FF, and insulting or disrespecting other players (namely "what a joke", calling out the score differences.)

The problem in my opinion is the automatic system of punishments. Once you have been punished before, the next punishment seems to automatically be harsher than the last one, in a strick defined line. (cont.)

If I am right, being extremely racist is considered the same as saying "ok u are dumb" in Riots eyes.

That is not correct and not how the system functions. There are two separate ladders for punishments, we're going to focus on the chat related one.

The standard ladder is as follows:

##10 game chat restriction > 25 game chat restriction > 14 day suspension > Permanent suspension

When you violate the rules with "standard" toxicity (swearing at other users, calling for reports, etc.) you gradually move up the ladder until you reach a permanent suspension. When you use zero-tolerance language (term used for any racist, homophobic, sexist, or other discriminatory slurs + death threats) you immediately receive a 14-day suspension, one step away from a permanent ban.

The end result is the same, yes, as both players are permanently banned, but being extremely racist is treated with much more severe, immediate punishments.

"Ok you are dumb" is not on the same level.

Clockwork Mouse12/3/2019, 6:18:45 AM4 votes

Na, banning someone from a game should only be reserved for people cheating by using outside means. Riot should open the floodgates, let people be as toxic as they want to be and play the game however they like. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BawssDude12/2/2019, 3:00:09 AM3 votes

no i dont think anyone should be banned unless its death threats or something like that. people are just snowflakes nowadays