Reform period and losing access to rewards

AaronTheTosser·Jul 10, 2017·2 votes·3,081 views

Herro fren and famiry, I would like to ask a question which you are eligible to answer. So I've recently lost access to rewards (says that I'm dishonorable in rewards section of profile) and would like to know when I get these rewards back. I've played countless numbers of games where I have shown signs of "reforming" and have gotten a lot of honors from people in my games that I have not partied up with. Peace on the streets homies. [slayer-jinx-catface]

15 Comments

idubbztvJul 12, 20173 votes

Doesn't take too long. Depends how much you play. But if you could stop the BS nice guy act you're pulling here, that'd be great.

"You're all looking pretty hot today."

Just stop. Its pathetic.

SoCalgangboi666Jan 9, 20181 votes

This response is pathetic, you are just as toxic as OP.... Stop the BS judgement act you're pulling here, that'd be great.

CharmorgJul 10, 20171 votes

While I can't speak for you, I think the games are countable, and "a lot" is very subjective.

Your honor level will increase over months, not over the course of a few days/weeks. Considering the fact that you must have been recently (within the past week or so) punished to have your honor level decreased, you certainly haven't shown true reform yet.

The generally accepted guidance for how long it takes to show reform is at least 3 months of normal (your levels before the punishment, if not more) games played. The honor you receive will help, but the big thing is ensuring you are not toxic ever again so you do not get reported - reports can set you back in reform progress.

AaronTheTosserJul 10, 20171 votes

Wow thanks for responding, you are looking pretty hot today btw. Draven

Chisel Tick KickJul 10, 20171 votes

This is wrong, reports do not set back your rform progress, only punishments.

And unless you know how it works now, how it used to be to "reform" and get your stuff back after being punished arbitrarily by an automatic ban system that simply looks for key words, it would take less than two days for a chat ban, and under a week for a 25 game chat ban. A month for a 2 week suspension.

However with how little and slow honor progression is for even honorable people, enjoy never getting your rewards AaronTheTosser, because you're going to be dishonorable for a long time.... Yasuo

Best of luck, and sorry, but this is the harsh truth.

CharmorgJul 11, 20172 votes

Almost all of you say is incorrect...

Reports do set back your reform progress if verified - the system keeps track of everything. Punishments set back your reform progress more (as they actually move you in the other direction). While reports don't mean you'll never reform, if you're constantly reported and the reports are verified, just not at a frequent enough rate to get punished again, the system will slow down your reform progress.

Further, the automatic ban system has never been one to look for key words. It looks for many things based on settings by Riot of what to look for - many times it looks at phrases, words, words in combination with other words, amount of text in a short period of time, etc. There has never been an "auto" ban system for normal toxicity (there has for hate speech/inting), only report-triggered ban system. Your time-frames are accurate but misleading. It takes 1-3 verified report-games to cause a punishment. This can happen over the course of 3 hours, or over the course of 7 days. It depends on how often you're playing, your patterns, if it's a rare occurrence, etc.

If your timeframes are related to key/chest drops happening that quickly after a punishment, the system has not actually changed all that much. It has always been a system based on many factors to determine when drops start happening again ever since loot was introduced.

Chisel Tick KickJul 12, 20171 votes

No this is wrong, stop spreading false information. Reports themselves do not set back your reform progress, if you're just getting reported, nothing will happen.

Why would you say that it doesn't look for key words, but then say it doesn't look at for key words. Yeah it looks for more than key words, but it does look for key words, generally avoid saying racial slurs and hard swears. =_ =

The system has changed, if you get to dishonorable status you have to climb back up further in the ranks to actually get your rewards. Climbing out of dishonorable will take much longer to get up to key shards and chests, than how it previously was to play for just two days with just a chat ban to get back up to getting rewards. The system has been changed to take longer.

CharmorgJul 13, 20173 votes

Verified reports against you, if happening at a rate just below punishment, will cause you to not fall a level. It is possible to have a punishment months/years later be at a higher tier simply because you've been evading punishment by only getting punished just enough to avoid a punishment.

It does not look for key words - it looks for key behavior. The key words that it does look for are an exception that the AI has learned are 99.99% chance evidence of a behavior that it is looking for.

Before, you still wouldn't get rewards back right after coming off a punishment. Now, it's just codified in levels to make it a little clearer.

Chisel Tick KickJul 15, 20172 votes

Listen, the first thing is just pointless because both of us are right, the second thing you're just dead wrong and you're too bull headed to even argue with about.

But that last thing? You're stupid. Before, you got locked off of rewards for a very short period of time, but now, you get that period of time, AND you have to level up out of dishonorable, which, climbing up levels is still excessively absurd. This is much more time.

LostFr0stJul 15, 20171 votes

Pretty sure the last thing he/she said is actually correct. They legit tied it to the honour system so that people would stop making these posts. Now they have a way to check "when;" just log in and go to profile.

CharmorgJul 17, 20172 votes

Considering I have actually gotten (and know many people who got) punishments under the old system, I know for a fact the current system is actually more clear and has the potential to be faster.

LostFr0stJul 17, 20171 votes

That's awesome. I like this move by Riot even more now.

CharmorgJul 17, 20171 votes

You have no clue how AI works, do you?

A neural network looks for patterns in data. There is no way to program a neural network to look for key words - you can feed it words all you want and it'll likely pick up on them, but it is still only looking for patterns.

Riot feeds its AI data from past reports, and behavior that it determines to be inappropriate that the system needs help catching. If the system determines that a given word is a decent representation of matching the data it was fed, it'll throw up a match. However, the system bases its determination on if a chat log should be punished on the amount of "flags" it sees in the whole chat - generally speaking aside from hate speech/slurs/kys/etc one instance of what you call "key words" (I presume you're referring to cursing, idiot, etc) will not result in the log being flagged for punishment.

Read up on AI - I think it'll give you some insight into how the system works.