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Wrongfully Banned For "Third Party Use"

JNR··3 votes·823 views

My friend has access to some of my alt accounts, mostly low level ones. He scripted on them. <removed by moderation>

All accounts were punished for third party use. He last accessed them over a month ago. He scripts on brand and xerath mainly. And 100% only in the mid lane does he script, as he says scripts anywhere else are pretty much useless until late game. The issue is that my account that he does not have access to, (JNR) the first account I ever made, I've spent 1400$ on it, It's my life, it got banned for the same thing. "Third party use" Riot support has banned me from live chat for not accepting the fate of the account, but how would you feel to do jail time for a crime you didn't commit? That's basically what is happening here, except it's result of a flawed system or lack of care from riot support. I understand that scripting is bad, which is why I've never cared for it, it also defeats the purpose of a video game, just like call of duty cheats, no one ever liked that. And even the people who did it, ended up growing bored of it because it's not fun. I don't know why I'm posting here, I have never posted in the forums before. I have had banned accounts for toxicity in chat, which I'm not proud of, but it was my toxicity that caused that, and those accounts were rightfully punished for my bad actions, but I am so mad that I have lost JNR for scripting, but I have never scripted, and scripts have never been used on that account. Unless I logged into my account on my friends computer and he had GoS in the background, which I'm not sure if I have ever done that, but it's possible. But I know in my heart that I never scripted or played a game with scripts on. I know some of the community will think I deserve JNR to be banned just because I've shared other accounts that were then scripted on, but I honestly don't see it that way, I'm hoping somehow a riot employee sees this and looks deeper into it and actually believes me, or finds proof that backs this up, or maybe just some input from the community. I'm not in the mood to argue with anyone about "oh he's lying", or "the typical excuse" Because you can say whatever you want, but I know I didn't do anything wrong. Thanks, Justin

PS: Why am I being downvoted? Because I'm human and make mistakes? People on here act like they're such angels that haven't ever done something wrong. I shouldn't have let him use the accounts to script, but this post has nothing to do with those accounts. It has to do with my account that had nothing to do with the scripting he was doing on those accounts.

23 Comments

Kei1432 votes

So are those scripts on your computer or his computer?

If it's on his computer, have you ever logged in from his computer?

The client scans for malicious 3rd party programs every time you log in, so if you've logged in from a computer that has scripts, then it is already deemed guilt.

JNR1 votes

Both are possibilities tbh

If that's how it actually works, how do you feel about that? I honestly don't think it should work like that, and it should scan when games are launched, to see if they are injected during the game, because having a scripting program on you computer and logging in, but not playing a game, is not affecting anyone.

Kei1431 votes

I think in Riot's eyes, it showed the intent that you wanted to use scripts.

This method punishes the player instead of the account.

Now keep in mind, I may think on the extreme side in these cases, but I do agree that the player should be punished, and not just the accounts. I don't you want in my games if you have the intent to cheat.

JNR1 votes

I'm not a cheater though. What I'm saying is that someone shouldn't be banned for having a script downloaded or accessing a pc that does. They may not be a cheater, and be banned for it anyways because the system doesn't check if they are using it in a game. People that script on alt accounts and have a main they don't script on, that I believe should be punished though.

Kei1431 votes

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People that script on alt accounts and have a main they don't script on, that I believe should be punished though.

Isn't your case technically like this?

JNR1 votes

Not exactly but I do see your point. I let a friend use my alt accounts to script, but not to benefit me, they were just accounts I never used. I am not a scripter myself though, so that is not really the case.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Hey JNR, I've removed the names from your post so nobody bothers the accounts, as I can't really verify if they're yours or you're just posting other player's accounts.

If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the Moderation Discord here.

https://i.gyazo.com/60dae3aaeeb6bf71919cf40fc9e2213e.gif

Normally I'd suggest submitting a Support Ticket if your account is compromised, but it seems you already have, and discovered that Riot cannot help you. Account sharing is not allowed per the Terms of Use partially because of situations like these where other players perform illegal actions on them and get it banned; you are responsible for keeping your account safe, and when you allow someone else to use the account you are accountable for their behavior. It is unfortunate, but Riot does not remove punishments like this because the accounts were willingly handed over.

JNR1 votes

It's kind of disappointing because it seems that you didn't read the post, or maybe read it wrong or I didn't make it clear enough that the account that was banned was not handed over or accessed by anyone, but has been banned with the other accounts, even though nothing illegal has been done on it.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

My friend has access to some of my alt accounts, mostly low level ones. He scripted on them.

JNR1 votes

He did not have access to JNR but it was also banned, even though no scripts were used on it... how much more do I need to explain

RedPannda1 votes

It is a hard and fast rule that you should never give another person access to your accounts. Even if they are friends or family it can open them up to risk of compromise or banning. In the future I would avoid ever doing this with any game you play no matter how well you think you know the person.

It has always been a rule in online games that they cannot tell you how exploits are discovered because it would allow them to more easily be circumvented. I guarantee you that they do not ban accounts willy nilly and they take a lot more time than some companies to make sure their decisions are as accurate as possible.

At this point I would suggest you take some time off from league, give some single player games a try. http://store.steampowered.com/app/698780/agecheck This is an amazing game that came out recently on steam and it is free as well. Enjoy some time off from league and come back in a few weeks and give it a fresh start and see if you still enjoy it.

JNR1 votes

I understand that it was wrong to give access to my alt accounts, but do you personally think someone should be punished for scripting if they haven't scripted? From what I've researched, I've learnt that just logging into league on a pc that has a script, will set the automated system off and you'll get banned.

The issue is the money spent on my account. I'm not wealthy, and I have put so much money, and also time... into that account. And to lose it for something that never happened on the account. It has never had a script used in a game, but there is a small chance that he's had it downloaded on my pc, or that I've logged into my account on his.

I am honestly lost and have no idea on what to do, no games seem appealing to me at the moment I'm honestly too depressed to deal right now.

RedPannda1 votes

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I understand that it was wrong to give access to my alt accounts, but do you personally think someone should be punished for scripting if they haven't scripted? From what I've researched, I've learnt that just logging into league on a pc that has a script, will set the automated system off and you'll get banned.

The issue is the money spent on my account. I'm not wealthy, and I have put so much money, and also time... into that account. And to lose it for something that never happened on the account. It has never had a script used in a game, but there is a small chance that he's had it downloaded on my pc, or that I've logged into my account on his.

I am honestly lost and have no idea on what to do, no games seem appealing to me at the moment I'm honestly too depressed to deal right now.

I can't speak to the right or wrongness of riots policies. I was just trying to give you some clarity on how they do things. You sound believable but unfortunately this is the internet and anyone can say anything. You could be telling the truth or lying out your ass we will never know. But the reality of the situation is that there is almost zero chance of you getting your account back so if I was in your shoes I would do my best to try to move on.

It sucks but it is a good life lesson, never invest into anything you are not willing to lose. Like I said in my earlier post, take a break from league. Go do some other things for a while and see if you still are into the game then. If so just take it as an opportunity to start over fresh, main a new role next season.

Xeronator1 votes

Dude your friend mustved been a horrible person getting you banned like that. Honestly, report to riot about your friends account, and said that it was him that used scripts. Just back it up with actual proof, and hopefully, you should get a result...

Honestly man, the world is full of fakes, hopefully you get your acc back

JNR1 votes

Well I think it's partially my fault for ever giving him alt accounts to script on, and being careless with letting him use my pc/logging into my account on his pc. I gave him the right to do it, but never knew that it would result in my main account being banned for something that neither he did, nor I did.

Xeronator1 votes

was it a permaban? but yes if it really does mean that much to you, report to riot about your friend.

JNR1 votes

Yes it was a permanent ban, I have told them the situation but they have replied with cookie cutter messages about how they can't discuss anything. He didn't do anything behind my back or technically get me banned. I must have been banned for him downloading a script on my pc or me logging into my acc on his pc while he had a script download or in the background. No one is really at fault for the ban of my account, just a careless unfortunate mistake. Wish that riot would tell me more, because there has to be a way to know that it was never used in a game.

Modi1 votes

Scripting is always straight to permaban, as far as I have seen.

ISOzHell1 votes

{quoted}

My friend has access to some of my alt accounts, mostly low level ones. He scripted on them. <removed by moderation>

All accounts were punished for third party use. He last accessed them over a month ago. He scripts on brand and xerath mainly. And 100% only in the mid lane does he script, as he says scripts anywhere else are pretty much useless until late game. The issue is that my account that he does not have access to, (JNR) the first account I ever made, I&#039;ve spent 1400$ on it, It&#039;s my life, it got banned for the same thing. &quot;Third party use&quot; Riot support has banned me from live chat for not accepting the fate of the account, but how would you feel to do jail time for a crime you didn&#039;t commit? That&#039;s basically what is happening here, except it&#039;s result of a flawed system or lack of care from riot support. I understand that scripting is bad, which is why I&#039;ve never cared for it, it also defeats the purpose of a video game, just like call of duty cheats, no one ever liked that. And even the people who did it, ended up growing bored of it because it&#039;s not fun. I don&#039;t know why I&#039;m posting here, I have never posted in the forums before. I have had banned accounts for toxicity in chat, which I&#039;m not proud of, but it was my toxicity that caused that, and those accounts were rightfully punished for my bad actions, but I am so mad that I have lost JNR for scripting, but I have never scripted, and scripts have never been used on that account. Unless I logged into my account on my friends computer and he had GoS in the background, which I&#039;m not sure if I have ever done that, but it&#039;s possible. But I know in my heart that I never scripted or played a game with scripts on. I know some of the community will think I deserve JNR to be banned just because I&#039;ve shared other accounts that were then scripted on, but I honestly don&#039;t see it that way, I&#039;m hoping somehow a riot employee sees this and looks deeper into it and actually believes me, or finds proof that backs this up, or maybe just some input from the community. I&#039;m not in the mood to argue with anyone about &quot;oh he&#039;s lying&quot;, or &quot;the typical excuse&quot; Because you can say whatever you want, but I know I didn&#039;t do anything wrong. Thanks, Justin

"Cough", sure sure.

SeductiveCelery1 votes

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1067004-League-of-Legends-Unban-Service-Over-2-Years-of-Unbanning-Experience!?s=f381f5dbaff054238659b57a92c96c2a

Modi1 votes

Might I ask, why in the hell would you willingly let your "friend" script on one of your accounts? As DTN said, there is little recourse beyond opening a support ticket, and it looks like they gave you an answer (though not to your liking).

Cheating of any kind is punished extremely harshly, most often leading to a ban of the account(s) that were used. It appears that Riot also has a means to detect any additional accounts that are owned by the owner of the banned account as well.

In all honesty, Riot is not the target of your anger or sadness, here. Those feeling should be directed toward your "friend".

(I used "friend" in quotes, because a true friend would not put you at risk with their behavior. This "friend" was likely using you to make sure his/her accounts were not banned when banhammer eventually came swinging.)

JNR1 votes

Yes but the reason riot bans accounts that cheat is because they receive a rank or kda or receive something out of cheating. I don't know if you know what Runescape is, but it is the same thing with botters. They earn levels and gold from botting, so it's account specific. But for some reason my account that I never let him use or script on, was tagged into this. It's extremely unfortunate and I never saw it coming, and I guess that is my fault, but as an old Runescape player, I felt that cheating was dealt the same way. I didn't care too much about those accounts that I let him use, so I was okay if they got banned, but not my main account.

Modi1 votes

it doesn't matter if they are ranked or not. botting/scripting is detrimental to all games played. I, for one, do not play ranked. I don't want to inflict my terrible play on that world. I play normal, bots, ARAM, and RGM. If anyone were to be scripting in my games there, I would be pissed. If I saw that Riot did nothing about it as long as it isn't ranked, I would leave.

I do know what Runescape is, but I was a Lineage 2 player, back in its prime. L2 had (and probably still has), a huge problem with botting. I was a GM on a private server or two, and the biggest thing that I had to deal with was reports of botting. it didn't matter if they were botting to just get up to higher levels for PVE, or if they were farming to try to get better items for PVP. Both cases were handled the same: bots and any associated accounts were all banned.

Basically, if you were found to be botting, we would systematically find your other accounts (there were ways built right into the client in addition to custom modifications to the emulator code), and once verified, we would ban all of them. Being extremely harsh was the only way to even moderately deter people from botting.

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