I need to know if a mouse macro is being considered bad behavior

Ernesto14·Jun 25, 2018·1 votes·2,339 views

Hello, Im a Kindred player, and normally use his ult in sticky situations when I need to save my live. In order to can cast my ult without destroy my finger (like normallly do) in R key I use the logitech software to make a macro in my mouse who simply spam R, one R per 1 ms. I already use it in practice tool and works fine just the sound of multiples (cant use now ability) is bizzare.
I need to know if doing this is illegal. Thanks. Hope have a good day.

When one hit a key and left pressed all keyboards repeat that key mutiple times but with a delay time (I dont know if windows can reduce this delay in settings) but I dont want to break the rules (and lose my account of years), I want to know whats the minimun delay time to start repetions on a keyboard or in my case mouse button that not fall into a break of rules. 1ms is a very shot amount of time I can use more delay like 100ms thats is more accurate to my actual hit button ratio multiple times with my index finger.

In this case I don't think im doing it wrong but if I do please tell me.

25 Comments

AJStarhikerJun 25, 20189 votes

If you rearranged your keys to have R on you're mouse, you're fine. Using a macro to spam R multiple times with one press of a button is not.

Ernesto14Jun 25, 20181 votes

Oh... sounds very bad for me, I never read about that I really like this game but is too difficult to me press R and see Kindred doing nothing because I cant type fast enought to actually use the ability, I never want to break the rules of the game. Im so sad.

DrCyanideJun 25, 20182 votes

Hard or not, you'll have to stop one way or another. Either stop using that macro now or get your account permabanned over it. (It might be too late to avoid, but you should still try)

The EcdysiastJun 25, 20182 votes

No, he was incorrect. Macros are perfectly fine as long as you don't involve any third-party software like scripts.

ModiJun 25, 20185 votes

No, I'm afraid you are the one who is incorrect here. Hardware macros that do anything beyond league provided keybindings are against the rules. You cannot use hardware assisted macros, which allow you to perform multiple, consecutive actions with a single key press.

Whether it is hardware or software macros, both are not allowed.

The EcdysiastJun 25, 20181 votes

Rules of this nature are explicit, not implicit. Please show me where in the rules this is stated.

Silent GravityJun 25, 20182 votes

From

ix. Using any unauthorized third party programs, including mods, hacks, cheats, scripts, bots, trainers and automation programs that interact with the Software in any way, for any purpose, including any unauthorized third party programs that intercept, emulate, or redirect any communication between the Software and Riot Games and any unauthorized third party programs that collect information about the Game by reading areas of memory used by the Software to store information

Then, the article on Third Party Applications states under "We don’t like applications that provide measurable player advantage. We’d like to set fair expectations by calling out some features that definitely aren’t okay. Some examples of measurable player advantage:"

Taking actions on your behalf (botting or scripting)

One of the traditional interpretations of this rule is that when the player presses One (1) button, there should only be One (1) action taken. If the player presses One (1) button and it is modified to be more than One (1) action, that is "the program taking actions on your behalf".

Or, if you want to be really lawyery, the first quote says "Unauthorized third party programs...", so the onus is on you to find the authorized third party programs list and prove that the macro is on that list.

ModThe DjinnJun 25, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=Uber Deer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXiMl121,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-06-25T16:17:32.223+0000)No, he was incorrect. Macros are perfectly fine as long as you don't involve any third-party software like scripts.

To the best of my knowledge any macros that perform multiple actions with a single keypress are risky, and I would not recommend than any player use them.

Ernesto14Jun 25, 20181 votes

ModThe DjinnJun 25, 20182 votes

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When one hit a key and left pressed all keyboards repeat that key mutiple times but with a delay time (I dont know if windows can reduce this delay in settings) but I dont want to break the rules (and lose my account of years), I want to know whats the minimun delay time to start repetions on a keyboard or in my case mouse button that not fall into a break of rules. 1ms is a very shot amount of time I can use more delay like 100ms thats is more accurate to my actual hit button ratio multiple times with my index finger.

I don't know if there is one. I would really recommend simply not using that type of macro.

Silent GravityJun 25, 20181 votes

Pressing the key down is you performing one action (pressing the key) and the keyboard/computer/game interpreting it as one action (the button is pressed).

Holding the key down is you performing one action (holding the key down) and the keyboard/computer/game interpreting it as one action (the button is pressed).

Continuing to hold the key down is you performing one action (holding the key down) and the keyboard/computer/game interpreting it as one action (the button is pressed).

No matter what time delay occurs between each interpreted keystroke, you took the action of holding the key down to cause that keystroke. One (1) input to One (1) output.

The EcdysiastJun 25, 20182 votes

That's false. Macros are perfectly legal. They are not third-party software nor do they interfere with any of the game's code.

It's akin to having your mouse set to a higher sensitivity than someone else or having a rectangular monitor instead of a square one. It's perfectly legal.

DrCyanideJun 25, 20183 votes

Macros are third party software, and they give an advantage to those who have/use them. If they weren't third party software you'd see a setting to configure macros in the League of Legends client.

The EcdysiastJun 25, 20182 votes

That's like claiming he's cheating by changing the mouse sensitivity using his logitech software, or that using a mouse is cheating because the game doesn't come with one.

Riot doesn't-- and can't prove it to-- punish people for using macros as they don't interfere with the game's files.

The question of why anyone would set Kindred's ultimate to spam because they apparently don't have working fingers is beyond me.

DrCyanideJun 25, 20185 votes

You're listing hardware that behaves in a 1:1 manner with player actions, which is nothing like a macro in the slightest, and thus doesn't even make sense to bring up as an example.

Macros have been called out in the past by Riot as a type of cheating, and they gave the example of making a macro to place a ward then immediately ward-hopping to it as an example of what not to do. Any macro has to be something that doesn't impact gameplay or is a 1 to 1 functionality (pressing a non-standard button to activate a trinket or ability).

No human player performs the exact same set of actions with the exact same microsecond precision every time. So yes, Riot very, very easily could tell the difference between someone mashing their R key as fast as they can and someone using a macro to press it literally 1,000,000 times a second (as per the OP's post). I guarantee you Riot would pick up on that.

The EcdysiastJun 25, 20181 votes

They may pick up on it, but it is not punishable. There is no action in the game that can even be done at that speed, so there is no unfair advantage to doing so.

BigBellBruteJun 25, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Uber Deer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXiMl121,comment-id=000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-25T19:42:13.483+0000)

They may pick up on it, but it is not punishable. There is no action in the game that can even be done at that speed, so there is no unfair advantage to doing so.

Learn to quit while you're behind. You've been instructed by multiple posters how it works, and yet you keep arguing after being corrected repeatedly.

The EcdysiastJun 25, 20181 votes

And yet, if they were correct then it would be such a simple task to quote where in the agreement or summoner's code it states this.

And they haven't yet. Maybe you should do it instead of being a jerk for no reason.

AJStarhikerJun 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Uber Deer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EXiMl121,comment-id=00010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-25T19:58:52.101+0000)

And yet, if they were correct then it would be such a simple task to quote where in the agreement or summoner's code it states this.

And they haven't yet. Maybe you should do it instead of being a jerk for no reason.

Unless someone beats me to it, I'll find it once I'm on a computer instead of my phone.

DrCyanideJun 25, 20183 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/12keEMzp-are-macros-against-the-summoners-code-andor-tos?comment=0000

[{quoted}](name=Targons Blade,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=12keEMzp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-06T18:20:10.380+0000)

Macros for chat fall into a pretty gray area in the ToS. Generally, using macros to automate more than 1 key-press is not a good idea. We typically suspend accounts that gain a competitive advantage from macros. I suppose using macros at all are a try at your own risk situation, and I'd personally advise against using them but it's ultimately up to you.

Let me know if that cleared this up for you.

[{quoted}](name=Targons Blade,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=12keEMzp,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-07T15:41:02.336+0000)

Correct. In the instance of mapping the Tilde key to the Macro 5 button, you're only remapping a single key. Since this isn't automating the action of multiple key presses, it's fine. However, I cannot map something like E>Q>R>W to be pressed with 1-second intervals to Macro 5, since it's automating multiple key presses and could grant me a competitive advantage.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/225266848

We don’t like applications that provide measurable player advantage. We’d like to set fair expectations by calling out some features that definitely aren’t okay. Some examples of measurable player advantage:

Exposing information that’s intentionally obfuscated (cooldowns or timers)

Taking actions on your behalf (botting or scripting)

Drawing conclusions for you (predicting enemy positions)

Altering your field of intelligence (zoomhacks or global ult alerts)

"Taking actions on your behalf" would include "button mashing on your behalf".

ModiJun 26, 20181 votes

See here for quotes from the ToU and here for more anecdotes that are direct quotes of the IFS lead/architect (Tantram).

If you want a link to this ToU, check out section 5.1 of the ToU (aka the code of conduct), subsection ix

KaiokoJun 25, 20183 votes

You're spreading around the wrong information which you should really stop doing if you're trying to actually be helpful. Anything short of re-arranging your hot keys is punishable via a permaban. If the program he's using allows him to perform multiple actions with a single button (such as pressing his R repeatedly after only clicking once) that is indeed more than a simple change in keybind settings.

He should stop immediately.