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Unfair 25 games chat restriction

Thanatos Talos··1 votes·768 views

So, recently i have some personal problems which came out in game, thus making me flame people and ganing me a 10 games chat restricion, which i understand. But once this punishment was over I knew i had to stop, so I did, and I was not toxic at all, or at least in the realm of the possible. I dont insult people, i dont use racial slur at all, and the only instances of "toxicity" i can think, are a few games where i honestly wanted to ff (Giving up).

But now, I had a Renekton game, in which my entire team feed, and I didn't flame them or anything, I was trying to get them to play correctly and help me out, but they never did. They started flaming, so I jokingly told the enemy team that if I could AFK for the rest of the game. I didnt at all, i played the entirely of the game through, but my team, which again, was flaming me, decide to report me. for the way the automated system works, a 25 chat restriction, which i think it's very uncalled for and unfair.

The 10 game chat restriction has been my first punishment ever (aside from maybe a few leaverbuster i got when starting out), and now receiving this punishment is so aggravating, since there is people far worse than me that never get punish, and if you check my history, you will find that i have very few instances of toxicity, and those that exist are extremely tame

Game 1 Thanatos Talos: noobs Thanatos Talos: hi there Thanatos Talos: #teemo #jarvan #darius #swain #vladimir Thanatos Talos: sigh Thanatos Talos: ff at 20 Thanatos Talos: lol oh well gg Thanatos Talos: we arelady lost anyways Thanatos Talos: open mid please Thanatos Talos: let's nto waste time Thanatos Talos: i wanna actually play today Thanatos Talos: no point Thanatos Talos: game is lost Thanatos Talos: lol Thanatos Talos: well Thanatos Talos: time to die Thanatos Talos: i need someone to do something Thanatos Talos: i am nto a carry Thanatos Talos: sigh Thanatos Talos: i always get the feeders Thanatos Talos: OMFG Thanatos Talos: ok Thanatos Talos: afk Thanatos Talos: bye Thanatos Talos: this is pointless Thanatos Talos: go fuck somehwere else Thanatos Talos: no we cant Thanatos Talos: i am the only doing ok Thanatos Talos: and i am not that good Thanatos Talos: gg report team, feeders Thanatos Talos: ima afk top Thanatos Talos: you guys are just bad Thanatos Talos: gg Thanatos Talos: wtf Thanatos Talos: why Thanatos Talos: omg Thanatos Talos: why waste time Thanatos Talos: stop Thanatos Talos: you are trash Thanatos Talos: dont ks your carry Thanatos Talos: i dont care Thanatos Talos: if afk, are you guys gonna report me? my team refuses to play around me or ff, so, i dont wanna waste time Thanatos Talos: ty Thanatos Talos: dont Thanatos Talos: warned you Thanatos Talos: again Thanatos Talos: i am not carry Thanatos Talos: i can kill whatever you want Thanatos Talos: but i am 5v1 Thanatos Talos: none of you are doing anything Thanatos Talos: no point Thanatos Talos: i am telling you what to do Thanatos Talos: you are not listening Thanatos Talos: see? Thanatos Talos: you guys have to play around me Thanatos Talos: or nothing Thanatos Talos: if you thnk any of you is worth anything Thanatos Talos: you are wrong Thanatos Talos: you have to use eveything to help me fight Thanatos Talos: because no of you deal damage Thanatos Talos: you are too behind Thanatos Talos: ??? Thanatos Talos: you mean Thanatos Talos: me slamming my top laner? Thanatos Talos: yeah, i am afk now Thanatos Talos: no point, they dotn listen Thanatos Talos: salty? not really Thanatos Talos: bored Thanatos Talos: this was a waste of 8 minutes

60 Comments

Warlord Scrap5 votes

Post the chat logs?

Thanatos Talos1 votes

they are there now, i know it's not th best behavior, but it's far from real toxicity, adn i didnt afk that game at all, i was joking with a Diana in the enemy team, if I had a full chat log, i could prove it

Warlord Scrap2 votes

Your definately showing mild toxicity/giving up. Youve already been punished once you should know better. You threatened to afk multiple times and afk does not just mean away from keyboard in leage you could be afk farming.

Honestly i believe your punishment is deserved but your free to submit a support ticket todispute it.

Thanatos Talos2 votes

Emphasis in "once". This is a single game sample, and there is no more chat logs in the notice of punishment. Seems very unfair to gain such a punishment over a single game, specially considering I have only been punished once in the past.

Warlord Scrap2 votes

But its not just once you already had a 10 game chat restriction meaning youve already exhibited toxic behovior. Also it wasnt long enough to show your reformed or you would of gotten a 2nd 10 game chat restriction.

Again if you feel this is unfair submit a support ticket to riot theres nothing i can do to help you.

Thanatos Talos2 votes

It has been 3 weeks since my first punishment, since then, the only instance of bad behavior has been this game, this I believe it's very uncalled for. Also, it was a 25 games chat restriction i got this time, which is what infuriates me the most, since I don't consider the reasons behind them enough for it.

I will submit a ticket, thanks. you were more help than another player that is basically flaming me here

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

3 weeks ago isnt enough time to show reform... and now you got 2 punishments it would not be out of question to be jumped into perma banned on the next punishment

im trying to tell you what you need to do to keep that from happening

Thanatos Talos2 votes

3 weeks and a single instance of toxicity that isnt even that bad? Are you sure that your argument holds water there?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

hmm who is on their 2nd punishment in 3 weeks?

and i have played since season 2 and never had one...

sooo you tell me

Thanatos Talos2 votes

I will stop replying to you, you offer no solutions or insight on the matter. Many other players did, while also callling me out in my behavior, but honestly, you are the worst kind of person there is. Please stop.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol its a public form ...

and accept that you were wrong and learn from it... and what got you popped is how close this was to your previous punishment...

just stop using chat in game i dont know what else do you want to take from this... if you didnt chat in game at all then you would have zero to be punished for... how is that not a solution or insight to this matter ?

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

If someone is feeling harassed and asks you to stop replying to them, even if they are just getting the last word in or don't seem to be understanding what you're saying, I highly recommend just not talking to them anymore. We don't want the discussion to get derailed or lead into toxic arguments.

Thanatos Talos2 votes

Thank you, I was trying to have a conversation here, but he kept harassing me and judging me without grounds to do so, thus I stopped replying to him. Although he keeps replying in the thread.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its not harassment ... the person kept replying to me... and it wasnt getting derailed it was on the topic that the OP posted and stated over and over how he isnt wrong about being toxic and getting his 2nd punishment in 3 weeks

Lyndris3 votes

There is a punishment tier, and less then a month is not long enough to have had it diminish, even with a ridiculous amount of games played. And i consider giving up poor sportsman ship, which is punishable. Seems reasonable to me. Look for some arbiters(blue)

Thanatos Talos1 votes

That is what my concern and annoyance comes from. I get a extreme second punishment for a game with barely any reasons to go with it. Honestly it turns me off the game, since I feel as I cannot type anything in chat after my punishment ends, or even do poorly in a game, for the fear of someone not liking my face and getting a even greater punishment completely uncalled for. Arbiters?

Lyndris1 votes

Umm... Well mannered, insightful and respected board members, they strive to enhance the community. I suggest looking for Deep Terror Nami, she is extremely helpful and seemingly most active imo EDIT: IN PB&M and i forget the other two boards the have blue names like red rioters and green mods

Thanatos Talos1 votes

Thank you, I actually found Deep Terror Nami. this si my first post ever on the forums, not sure of all its inner workings.

Lyndris1 votes

NO problem, I am trying to become an active member and will always try to help. I, however have a firm stance on not personally discussing balance. She will be of some help to you. Good luck, and better gaming

Kei1434 votes

Negativity / giving up is certainly worthy of a punishment, but there are probably other things that contribute to it.

If you wish, you can post your chat logs so we dissect the problem and let you know what is / isn't allowed.

Thanatos Talos2 votes

I post them now, this is my first post ever, and there they are. Of course, it's not the best behavioir, but take into consideration my team was flaming me , while I barely said anything in return

Kei1432 votes

It certainly the negativity and the constant giving up here that gets you punished.

You also didn't mention anything gameplay related until you said "you have to play around me cos you don't do any dmg", which means anything before that is pretty much just complaining and harassment.

Also, asking for reports can be a form of harassment as well, I'd advise against saying it. If you need to report someone, just report them after the game yourself. You don't need multiple reports to get the system to review the game for toxicity.

Thanatos Talos2 votes

It is unfair though, I have play this game for a very long time, and just recently got a first punishment. Now I get a harsher punishment which I honestly believe is uncalled for. I have played many games since my 10 chat restriction, and none of them are featured in the chat longs, since there is no more "toxic behavior" other than this game.

This is honestly turning me off of continuing playing the game, since now I am simply in the "Black list", thus I can get extremely harsh punishments for almost anything I do.

I never thought the Instant Feedback System was unfair, but now I do, Even if the content of the chat log are worthy of "punishment", it's a single game, and no certain proof of my behavior. You can't use a single sample to determinate something like this. This is simply happening because I got a first punishment, now I am marked and cannot step outta the line even a little bit, which is ridiculous considering the amount of actually toxic players that run rampage in the game with no punishments.

I honestly wonder if there is a point to play anymore, I enjoy the game, but even if my behavior improves, it won't make any differences since I am already presence in this "Black List", I simply cannot enjoy the game as much, since I cannot even message my friends during game.

I believe that someone like me, that has shown to have a sportsmanlike attitude in the past and has never got a punishment before should be given more of a chance before more punishment. Getting a second strike so fast over a single game is outright wrong.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

ya know if you werent toxic and verbally abusive towards your team then you wouldnt of got punished at all...

so its fair now shut up about it and take your punishment and learn cuz next time ( and im willing to bet $$$ there will be a next time) you might be permabanned

Thanatos Talos2 votes

This comment is in fact more toxic than anything I said in game this one time. You can bet all you want. But the fact is simple, those are normal games, I didnt afk, insult, nor feed, and even if mild toxicity is present, it's so tame that the punishment in question is uncalled for.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

how is my comment toxic? when i tell you that you were verbally abusive to your teammates and you got punished for it... and i give you advice to shut up and learn from it ?

no matter how you justify it you are in the wrong ... accept it... deal with it

Thanatos Talos2 votes

"so its fair now shut up about it and take your punishment and learn cuz next time ( and im willing to bet $$$ there will be a next time) you might be permabanned" Snarky comment desiring a player an unworthy permaban seems extremely uncalled for.

I am pretty sure you have dealt with actual toxic players in the past, but I am not one of those. The chat log is there, and can you tell me that you have never said anything like that in game? Barely any insults, flame, and the worst thing in "Negativity" in a game where my team was feeding.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

did you get punished for being toxic and verbally abusive and received a chat restriction ?

is this your 1st time getting a chat restriction?

and if you keep on what do you think will happen?

my best advice is for you to SHUT UP and LEARN FROM THIS

Thanatos Talos2 votes

First off, doesn't change the fact that your comment was toxic. Second of all, I was not toxic nor verbally abusive, I was negative in this one. Yes, this is barely my second chat restriction ever. First one was weeks ago, for the first time ever. This chat restriction was caused by 1 single game, which only teaches me that improving my behavior didn't change anything since I got punished intermediately over a single instance.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

it wasnt... it was harsh and honest not toxic

learn the difference

you didnt improve your behavior when you do it again

man you are thicked skulled arnt ya ?

either take my advice and learn and shut up and dont type in game at all or end up being perma banned [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Thanatos Talos2 votes

I did improve, this is a single game. You cannot take a single sample and make a verdict over it. I have played many, many games since my first punishment, in which I shown good behavior completely, proof of it, the Chat logs only including a single game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

STOP ARGUING AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE SAID

Thanatos Talos2 votes

I did listen, and I understand where are you coming from. But you should listen too what I have to said. You are too focus on "toxicity" thinking I am the second coming of Tyler1, instead of trying to understand a player having a bad single game.

Maybe you should learn from your words, and check out other replies to this thread, in which other players do call me out in a reasonable manner and offer solutions instead of just judgment.

4th Chiming Lamb1 votes

Those lines are more toxic than everything he said in the entire game. Have some damn faith,

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

yet they arent...

and faith in what ? people not being toxic LMAO [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Kei1431 votes

The system actually does a pretty poor job in showing you the whole picture of your behavioral history. It only shows "recent" games of unwarranted behavior, and no one other than Riot knows what "recent" means.

Your true reform card probably reads "you were validly reported in the past 46 /117 games within the last 3 months" or something like that.

It is indeed easier to get punished when you are within the punishment ladder, . The more you get validly reported, the more the system deems you as "unable to reform", which in if you don't reform, then Riot wants you out of their game by permabanning you.

It's just a 25 game chat restrict, so you still have time to correct your behavior. Take it easy on giving up so quickly (it's so demoralizing), take it easy on asking for reports (as a form of harassment) and you should be fine.

Just FYI, it takes an average of 3 months regular gameplay to drop a punishment tier, so to get back into clean slate, you'll need around 6 months of neutral behavioral.

If you got any other questions, feel free to give me a shout!

Thanatos Talos1 votes

I see...so the system has some fault on this as I though. I hope I can solve this issue though, it seems really unfair to punish to severely a player that has ever barely shows sights of bad behavior, specially when other players more toxic run rampage. Just now I had a game where an Ahri and Lee flamed in a very severe manner, I reported them, but I dont honestly believe they will get any punishment at all.

If I had to go thought all of it at the end, I will, but it honeslty makes me lost faith in the System and Riot as a whole.

Kei1431 votes

Another thing the system sucks at is telling you that someone got punished,

Currently, it only gives you a punishment notification when the game you reported them was the game that got them punished. If they play another game, you won't see that message anymore.

ModPeriscope2 votes

You're only punished for your own chat.

Zielmann2 votes

The right way to deal with people flaming you in chat is to mute them first, and then report them for it after the game. This has a 0% chance of getting yourself in trouble.

But I think overall, the issue was the constant negativity. While I don't know exactly how far into the game it was, you were already giving up on the game 4 lines in. Given the rest of what was said, it looks like the game took about 28 minutes to finish. There's an awful lot of talk going on between the 4th line and the end of the game, so I'm left to believe you were probably no more than 10 minutes into the game when you gave up on it.

On top of that, you call your teammates bad, trash, worthless, and call out for reports against them. Do you honestly think any of this will make them change their behavior or play any better at all?

Thanatos Talos2 votes

I only insulted a single person once, is that really worth such a extreme punishment? negativity, I understand. But keep in mind that is a single chat log, which is not enough sample of negativity. In this game my team fed around 8 kills before the 8 minute mark, which annoyed me. But was a single game, punishment is over the top in my opinion.

Zielmann1 votes

Was that log from the email, or the in-client notice? Sometimes they only put one game's log in the email, but you get additional ones in the client. Legit curious to know if this was the only one referenced or not.

You're still only on chat restrictions, so at least you can still play the game. Use that restriction to build good habits. Only use the limited chat you get for conveying strategic info, or offering a quick compliment for good plays. And get used to muting people the moment you feel the urge to talk back, because you don't want to waste your limited chat on that.

Thanatos Talos2 votes

Yes, the chat log in the one from the client, if you wish I can re log and screenshot it.

I understood my first punishment and I accept it completely. No complains whatsoever.

But this second one it's only called over a single game, and no more. Specially when my behavior in this game was barely over the line, and the worst thing I did was negativity which, while punishable, it can be understood in a single game and no going in a witch's chase for it.

Zielmann1 votes

Based on how the system usually works, it's unlikely it's only that one game that did it. Just for some reason, the notice only had the single game included in it.

I agree that this one game alone shouldn't have necessarily triggered a ban. But if you've repeatedly been that negative in games since your first set of restrictions, I do think another nudge from the system to encourage you to try to keep the negativity out of the chat is the right call.

Thanatos Talos2 votes

It will actually will unlikely to be the other way around. I honestly cannot think of another where I show this behavior, the only other report i can think of, would be a game with a very toxic Graves who kept flaming the entire team and blaming us of feeding, and who reported us at the end of the game. But if that is the case, then it's even more unfair. since that it's an instance of an actual toxic player tossing reports our way for no reason. If that is indeed the case, then it makes me fear even more that fake reports can get me in even more problem simply for being in this "Black List".

And yes, I dont think this particular game was deserving of a ban, and I have not been negative in any others games, thus it only makes me feel as if reforming would be a fruitless endeavor since it's so easy to get more punishments.

Zielmann1 votes

I surely can't comment with certainty on games we don't have logs from, so I can only go by how the system works. Bans from a single game generally only occur in extreme circumstances. This game clearly is not that. With that, I would be left to assume there were multiple other valid reports made which contributed to this ban.

But also going from what else we know with how the system works, if you get reported and did nothing wrong, we know the system throws that report out. So at the very least you can rest assure that somebody reporting you for no reason didn't contribute to this.

Shadòw3 votes

if you check my history, you will find that i have very few instances of toxicity, and those that exist are extremely tame

First chat log starts with:

Thanatos Talos: noobs

Thanatos Talos1 votes

Chat logs don't tell the entire story. I was asked "Who takes Thunderlords on Nasus" by the jungler.

Shadòw1 votes

after 3 more lines:

Thanatos Talos: ff at 20 Thanatos Talos: lol oh well gg Thanatos Talos: we arelady lost anyways Thanatos Talos: open mid please

Thanatos Talos1 votes

Team fed 8 kills and started flaming.

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