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Suspended for 14 days for verbal, does Riot bother reading other peoples chats in game?

fish361··2 votes·1,449 views

I had got a little out of hand. Nothing like what people are saying about others me autistic or have down syndrome like I have heard thousands of times. Which never led to a suspension or full reporting. Then other saying you're fat as F**k or you probably are a low life... blah blah blah. Anyways posting this to see if there are any ways to be unbanned if the in game chat can be read. First off my top lane started the game off great 5/1/0 then replied to me that I am garbage cause the other lanes needed way more help and I wasn't coming top. When I say he said that he literally was calling the whole team garbage in different sections of the match. Stated of we can lose all he wants is a positive score. Which that meant he didn't leave his lane till our inhibitor was gone. Then my adc which I made a comment to said that he was started to feed on purpose cause he didn't care. Also that our mid was saying we didn't deserve to win that we were just wasting our time and just turrent dove since lvl 4 which would just give them free kills. What I am stating is this is ridiculous, okay yes I got verbal so put me on a super long chat ban or something. But how are you going to suspend me cause I have 2 lanes state they were purposely trying to make us lose and then a top lane that refuses to use team work. This game just goes by how many reports you get, it has to because I literally have people go afk or just flat out feed on purpose and never get penalized for it. Any suggestions? Other then the one I am working on which is to stop being so verbal, I think I am just going to mute everyone until I start to realize flaming doesn't do any good. Not going to lie though I only do it when they state they don't care.

40 Comments

disregardable8 votes

It doesn't matter why someone robbed a grocery store, it's still against the law, right? Similarly, it doesn't matter why you flamed your team. It's still against the rules.

Caffeine Pusher5 votes

Nasty words aren't a crime. Robbery is (even if you write that you're allowed to in your EULA).

Grow up.

disregardable9 votes

Committing a crime is just a more official way of saying breaking your community's rules. In this case, you're breaking the rules of League's community instead of your country's community.

Caffeine Pusher2 votes

Nope, it's a criminal act. There are lots of ways to violate rules that aren't criminal (e.g. a tortuous offense). You're obviously some sort of idiot who's never had a single civics lesson, but you still want to cling to your failure of an analogy.
Go read a book or something, then get at me.

disregardable9 votes

That doesn't contradict what I said. ^_^ Crimes are still breaking the community's rules, even if they aren't inclusive of all rules, and flaming is still against League's rules.

Caffeine Pusher3 votes

It's a false analogy. Deal with it. ^.^

Twiggles7 votes

I can see you grasping. Found any straws yet?

Here. Let me refine Disregardable's analogy for you.

A local YMCA can kick you out of the pool for being an asshole to other swimmers because you're breaking the pool's rules.

Riot can ban you from League for being an asshole to other players because you're breaking League rules.

It doesn't matter if little Billy stuck his tongue out at you first. If you get caught trying to get back at him by following him around the pool and yelling at him then your ass is out of there.

You haven't had one legitimate point in this entire thread, and were even foolish enough to say that Dunkey was right.

That right there is tantamount to credibility suicide.

EvilDustMan7 votes

You haven't had one legitimate point in this entire thread, and were even foolish enough to say that Dunkey was right.

That right there is tantamount to credibility suicide.

It's basically the same as invoking Godwin's Law.

Caffeine Pusher1 votes

DId you just say that Dunkey was a Nazi? You kids are so adorable.

Twiggles2 votes

No. He said that citing Dunkey is about as dumb as Nazi comparisons.

He isn't comparing Dunkey to Nazis. He's saying your argument is as stupid as Nazi comparisons.

EvilDustMan3 votes

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DId you just say that Dunkey was a Nazi? You kids are so adorable.

My god, did you really just dredge up a post to make a flimsy accusation three days later? Get something better to do.

Caffeine Pusher1 votes

Dunkey was right. Also, if the YMCA kicks you out, you've got every right to demand your monthly dues back, and never return there. So, thanks for proving my point correct. You may move along now.

Twiggles2 votes

Dunkey was not right. There is literally no point in arguing otherwise. He was found to be lying about a significant portion of his complaint video, and he told someone to get gunned down in the street. The fact that people like you are still defending that behavior is frankly, depressing.

If the YMCA kicks you out, you are entitled to a 100% refund in the first month of your membership. Beyond that, you can get a refund for the unused part of a 1 year membership when you leave voluntarily. I imagine it's the same with being kicked out, but that is still only the unused portion. You absolutely cannot get back the monthly dues you've already paid, because that would be ridiculous.

https://www.ymcadallas.org/locations/town_north/membership/membership_policies/

Thank you for revisiting this days old topic just to spout more nonsense and dig your hole deeper. I get that you're mad about your ban, but you aren't doing yourself any favors by posting like an idiot.

Kei1435 votes

crime krīm/Submit noun

an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.

so ... Leauge is in Riot State & they make the law. Offense that may be prosecuted by Riot, and punished by Riot's law.

verbal abuse .. check negative behavior .. check unsportsmanlike conduct .. check dunkey supporter .. not check, but want to check

disregardable3 votes

I love Dunkey. Not everything he does is funny, but when it is, it's really fuckiing funny. You don't need to stop supporting someone just because they made a video/decision you disagree with or that is objectively wrong.

FACE THE WlND8 votes

You're responsible for your own chat, what others say does not influence the severity, or decide whether you will be punished or not. What happens to others is none of your buisiness. Just report others who are toxic, and don't be toxic yourself.

Kei1436 votes

nope. Riot doesn't care about context.

Only what you say matters, as you have control over own fingers & enter key. You can choose harsh / offensive words, you can choose to ignore, you can choose to polite words.

But you chose words that will get you punished, so viola. Deal with the consequences.

Also, I only read your first two lines + title. That block of text OP and I'm not reading through that.

Caffeine Pusher5 votes

Your double standard is amazing. He's responsible for his words, but apparently no one else is responsible enough to use the mute button, and in your estimation, they don't need to be. Grow up.

fish3612 votes

This is all about league not doing anything about this other than verbal. Why have all these other reports if nothing is done. Why should I constantly get trolled or have someone even admit to feeding and not be punished. Riot is ridiculous on there system. Could be such a great game if they could respond to the other reports.

Caffeine Pusher2 votes

Well, fixing those problems would take work. Instead, they want to add absurd penalties for a problem that really isn't one. People can mute if someone else's words hurt their feelings. No amount of muting will make someone stop griefing. So why isn't Riot finding a solution to that?

Xelnex1 votes

kinda offtopic, but why is ur name highlighted ?

Erdrik3 votes

The original poster of the discussion thread gets their name highlighted.

MagosAmphrose5 votes

You will never know if they get in trouble unless your report is the last one to report them, and a first offense almost never results in a ban/suspension unless it's hate speech.

The only thing they take into account is you. Were you offensive? Did you break the rules? Then it's your fault that you got punished. Don't worry about if the others got in trouble or not, just worry about you and how you can fix yourself.

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

OP didn't use the mute button himself, so are you also against OP as well?

Kei1435 votes

see. if they had to use mute button, then it means the damage was done already.

They are responsible for their actions, he is responsible for his. No double standard there.

Caffeine Pusher1 votes

Now, you just made a claim. That there is damage done.

Can you demonstrate this, objectively?

Kei1432 votes

look inside the brain for some change in negative emotions.

Caffeine Pusher4 votes

Lyte's system is an obvious failure. You, like most players, are complaining about players' bad behaviors, and not their words. The system is only tuned to punish the latter, and thereby only fuels the frustration that most players feel. This "solution" is, in fact, only contributing to the sentiment that causes so-called 'toxic' behavior in the first place.

My honest advice is, when someone like your top laner starts smarting off, say nothing, go to their lane, and stand under their opponent's tower. It's surprisingly cathartic, and until Riot implements an actual system to police bad behavior (as opposed to words), you won't ever be penalized for it.

fish3611 votes

But my friend added me on another account stating he got permanently banned but I don't think it was from verbal. This is why league has turned to crap.

Caffeine Pusher2 votes

Yup. Dunkey was right. This game has gone straight down the shitter, and it's not because of the people developing the actual game. It's entirely the fault of the community management.

Someone should write a letter to TenCent or something...

Astôlfo3 votes

Look, it's the circlejerk of stupidity.

Caffeine Pusher1 votes

Nine Riot community management staff read this message.

Erdrik4 votes

The severity of the punishment is not based on severity of offense. It is a 4 strike system, where severity of the punishment is based on how many strikes you have accrued:

1st strike - 10 game chat ban 2nd strike - 25 game chat ban 3rd strike - 14 day full ban 4th strike - perma

There is an exception for hate speech, racial slurs, or extreme cases of toxicity, that will result in skipping and going straight to 3rd or 4th strike.

Outside of hate speech or non verbal trolling, you got a 14 day ban because you continued behavior that you were warned twice before to stop.

A bit of warning: The transition from 14 day to perma, is more sensitive than the other tiers of punishment. If you don't want to lose your account you need to remove toxicity from your matches entirely for at least 3 months. Thats just to get your standing back down to 2nd strike. You need 3 months of good behavior per strike to completely clean the slate for your account.

fish3611 votes

I mean how can words hurt someone so much? I have been given the chat ban a few times simply because the group is somehow a party and they decide to group together in report me for reasons I have no idea how. Like they send the report to me over email and it makes no sense how the chat was considered verbal.

Erdrik4 votes

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I mean how can words hurt someone so much?

The environment and situation is part of what makes the words toxic. The other players don't know you. They don't know your mannerisms. They can't see your body language or facial expressions. They can't tell from chat if you are raging because you are just a jerk, or that you are just having a bad day.

There is sooo much lack of information with online text chat. And when faced with that lack of information the human mind tends to fill in the blanks. You may not be trying to insult, but they don't know that so they assume you are.

The bottom line is this:

  • The middle of a match is not the place for chat room discussions.

If your words are not warning about what an enemy is doing or informing about your next play, then don't type them into chat. And even then keep them short and concise. (EDIT: encouragement and cheer is ok, but also needs to be short and concise)

I have been given the chat ban a few times simply because the group is somehow a party and they decide to group together in report me

Premade groups have no more power in their reports than you do:

Reports do not lead directly to punishment. They lead to a review of the match for the player being reported. 9 reports are no different than 1 report, it just flags the match for review.

Like they send the report to me over email

Riot doesn't send you the reports. They send you one or more of the matches that were reviewed.

and it makes no sense how the chat was considered verbal.

Im not sure what you mean here. Text Chat can be considered verbal communication.

HexaDecimel3 votes

People grouping together to report one player has no more impact then one player reporting another. They system only take into account how often a player receives a report per game, no how many reports they received in a game. Reports are also reviewed in order to determine if they are valid. Therefore it is impossible to be punished by a group of players falsely reporting you.

This is also why asking for other players to report someone is considered harassment and is against the rules laid out in Riots terms of service. One report is good enough, so there is no point in trying to get other people to harass and report the player.

Also, consistent false reporting will lower the credibility of future reports from that account. Therefore if someone is constantly reporting other players for no reason there reports will start to carry less weight in determining if a player should be punished.

Astôlfo3 votes

Blah blah blah No one gives a shit. What other people do is irrelevant. You are only responsible for your own behavior.

GaleWinUnleashed3 votes

If the other players in your game were acting up in chat, then they can be punished too. But that doesn't excuse your own behavior in any way.

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