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Please meet me halfway regarding chatting too much.

Happy Elbow··2 votes·524 views

Game 1 Happy Elbow: 3 hits and flash on it Happy Elbow: all i can do Happy Elbow: lulu püots ffs Happy Elbow: for lvl 2 Happy Elbow: that burst Happy Elbow: lulu u need sustain vs nami.. Happy Elbow: gj shaco Happy Elbow: shcao please Happy Elbow: or just dont come Happy Elbow: and let bot and me and the tower die Happy Elbow: yea great Happy Elbow: i knew they were coming Happy Elbow: not my fault lulu came Happy Elbow: i died under tower Happy Elbow: and warned you Happy Elbow: well i needed those 2 waves Happy Elbow: just open then Happy Elbow: if u dont wanna play Happy Elbow: bot will overextend Happy Elbow: come agianplease Happy Elbow: or do raptors Happy Elbow: i think u never come and its the only one that doesnt exist Happy Elbow: yup Happy Elbow: gl with that Happy Elbow: i can also never die unless i get dove by 3 despite having an inting support Happy Elbow: oh and i can call the right calls, which is camping the fed kaisa when she overextends without summoners :) Happy Elbow: but since u dontlistne you let her free farm and she then just leaves and kills ziggs Happy Elbow: u came once Happy Elbow: thats not ganking Happy Elbow: bot Happy Elbow: i took those kills Happy Elbow: i have the same KP Happy Elbow: lmao he let you live Happy Elbow: wp Happy Elbow: at least you got that redbuff! Happy Elbow: i was sleep Happy Elbow: u wanna take red before a teamfight cos ure mad a tme? Happy Elbow: u lose the fight Happy Elbow: simple Happy Elbow: mute me Happy Elbow: ikm super strong but u wanna sabotage me Happy Elbow: shaco trolling? :( Happy Elbow: yes Happy Elbow: u know what an autist is? (shaco just called me autist) Happy Elbow: why are you insulting? Happy Elbow: HAHAHA NICE SMITE Happy Elbow: u still didnt die Happy Elbow: no lol Happy Elbow: baron hit you after your smite didnt kill it Happy Elbow: doing it the other way around Happy Elbow: wouldnt ahve changed anythign Happy Elbow: to ill zoe so she doesnt kill you? Happy Elbow: dw guys Happy Elbow: he took red Happy Elbow: at least he got that Happy Elbow: shaco nhas no smite nasus, why contest? Happy Elbow: he smote red to annoy me Happy Elbow: yes Happy Elbow: my fault Happy Elbow: sorry Happy Elbow: MY TROLLING XD Happy Elbow: okay Happy Elbow: ure blind like a real dog dude (talking to nasus here, insulting me for not following his drake contest. Dog joke.. come on) Happy Elbow: u dont watch the map, die alone Happy Elbow: and then int Happy Elbow: you didnt have smite shaco Happy Elbow: why try to rile up this guy against me? Happy Elbow: by lying? Happy Elbow: he alrady dislikes me Happy Elbow: xD Happy Elbow: we could Happy Elbow: not Happy Elbow: contest Happy Elbow: because YOU smote redbuff Happy Elbow: i even pinged it Happy Elbow: why are you guys going this way Happy Elbow: when kaisa and anmi are alone at tower Happy Elbow: oh yea Happy Elbow: gj worked out Happy Elbow: and???? Happy Elbow: she is super fed and just jumps and kills me Happy Elbow: what your point? Happy Elbow: xD Happy Elbow: i was 2v1 Happy Elbow: you guys keep facechecking Happy Elbow: into their tanks Happy Elbow: and kaisa melts our tanks faster than i can kill their tanks Happy Elbow: im NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU? Happy Elbow: not the entire game is about you Happy Elbow: gosh xD Happy Elbow: exactly Happy Elbow: why the fuck Happy Elbow: focus a one combo champ Happy Elbow: no Happy Elbow: sleep works only on ONE person Happy Elbow: idiot xD

Can we all be a bit honest here? Is this the worst type of flame you've ever read? Is this someone that you genuinely cannot get over and need out of the game permanently? Context does not matter, right?

Now i know other reports go into bans as well, and i'd love to see those chat logs. Regardless, I've been permabanned 4-5 times for the exact same reasons over and over. I remember when the tribunal actually worked i got chat restrictions for years. That was the most relaxed time i ever had in League. Because i was not allowed to talk. This is something i asked riot to do for me repeatedly, every time i poured money into accounts just to get banned again for calling someone an idiot? When there's people who go by saying stuff that genuinely could disturb kids or drive a depressed person to suicide. Stuff that put my girlfriend who has Borderline Personality DIsorder and PTSD into straight up panic attacks. Stuff that has nothing to do with the game anymore.

I am just passionate, i love the game, i wanna win. This is one of the few times (you're free to not believe me and buy into the ADC memes) that i asked repeatedly for a gank. Usually i play Ez and never ask for them cause i don't need them.

Do you even care about what others say? And i don't wanna hear the nonsense that i can mute them and all that jazz. For real, shaco chases me around and takes every buff. He smites red away before a dragon just so i can't have it, Nasus dies contesting it alone (because shaco didnt ahve smite anyway, thats why no one contested) and everyone gangs up on me and flames me for trolling because i backed. Do you even care about people who can't or simply don't want to ignore their teammates?

You encourage muting people who will be negative towards me but when i ask you to straight up give me a thousand chat restrictions you ignore that petition. I can't help being upset in the game. I can't help it and it will never change. I will keep making accounts and playing the game because i love it and i play to win. I never straight up troll nor do i really insult people (casters call people idiots frequently. It's not really offensive or harsh, come on). Can't you just restrict the chat for people who don't WANT to be able to chat? There's thousands of people like that and your hypocrisy ruins them and me. Why would you bother creating distinct pings for different situations and encourage muting so we communicate only with pings and this you can't do?

Please just disable my chat, give me chat restrictions. It's so stupidly unfair to ban someone who put MONEY into this account and NEVER trolls or ruins other peoples games (why can't they mute me and that's it? does not apply to them?). Just freaking let me play and stop taking my money and kicking me out. I don't wanna flame people but i am passionate about the game and i don't get a 6 figure incentive to quit like LCS pros who are toxic. Nor do i ask for it. You KNOW it's natural and normal in every game and you need to distinguish between toxicity and simply being passionate. I never call someone autistic (like i've been called this game), i never gang up on people, i never troll just to annoy people (like shaco did to me).

Please. Just help me help myself. This doesn't do anything. I'll just be annoyed, get over it, make another account and grind to 30 again. Get banned AGAIN for barely scratching the surface of flaming.

Thanks for listening.

EDIT: Grandmar.

26 Comments

Chermorg3 votes

Riot does not want players with negative attitude in the game. Allowing you to remove your own chat does not fix your attitude problem - it only puts a bandaid on it. The problem would then (statistically likely) grow into griefing, light trolling, “accidentally” feeding a kill or two.. and other problems.

Riot expects you to either reform and lose the attitude completely - i.e. not be toxic - or leave the game. The problem will not be solved just by removing your chat - you will still have a negative attitude as you have not changed your attitude. It is your job to change - not Riot’s.

Awf Meta3 votes

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Grabherbythekity3 votes

Riot does not want players with negative attitude in the game. Allowing you to remove your own chat does not fix your attitude problem - it only puts a bandaid on it. The problem would then (statistically likely) grow into griefing, light trolling, “accidentally” feeding a kill or two.. and other problems.

Riot has put in place emotes and in game chat actions that help communicate without the need for typing words. Who are you, to assume that someone who wants to disable chat, is automatically going to grief by trolling? You are making assumptions that someone will act in poor judgement before they do, and that is not appropriate. I think it's a great idea, with what communication tools have been implemented into the game in the last few seasons, to allow players to disable chat completely. Sometimes the only cause for attitudes, is what is being typed, so that could change it, but muting all is also an option

AJStarhiker1 votes

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Riot has put in place emotes and in game chat actions that help communicate without the need for typing words. Who are you, to assume that someone who wants to disable chat, is automatically going to grief by trolling? You are making assumptions that someone will act in poor judgement before they do, and that is not appropriate. I think it's a great idea, with what communication tools have been implemented into the game in the last few seasons, to allow players to disable chat completely. Sometimes the only cause for attitudes, is what is being typed, so that could change it, but muting all is also an option

Because when Riot attempted rolling chat bans (some people were effectively permamuted during that period), there was an upswing in trolling as those players turned to nonverbal griefing.

Grabherbythekity1 votes

So what you are saying is punish all of them, not just the one's griefing? That sounds more like a blanket bandaid. The nonverbal griefing should be punished more heavily IMO, as it 100% affects gameplay. Anyone can utilize muting, so chat bans really aren't a fix. They focus way too much on the people trying to stop the griefers, than the actual griefing going on.

AJStarhiker1 votes

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So what you are saying is punish all of them, not just the one's griefing? That sounds more like a blanket bandaid. The nonverbal griefing should be punished more heavily IMO, as it 100% affects gameplay. Anyone can utilize muting, so chat bans really aren't a fix. They focus way too much on the people trying to stop the griefers, than the actual griefing going on.

What I'm saying is that people who are looking to provoke others will find a way to do so. People who want to retaliate will find a way to do so. Chat is simply the easiest avenue. Easiest to (ab)use, easiest for other players to avoid, and easiest for Riot to detect a problem. When Riot attempted taking that away, players found other methods that are more difficult for Riot to prove. So, if you have to blame someone, blame the players from that period who ruined any chances of Riot using a permamute solution.

Nonverbal griefing jumps straight to 2-week for a first offense, so it's already more heavily punished than standard verbal. Unfortunately, it's also harder to prove intentional griefing vs. low skill or a bad game. And I'd wager the majority of verbal abuse is against low skill, not intentional griefing.

And consider this: If someone is intentionally griefing, they are looking for a reaction. They want you to lash out, since it gives them a reason to report and bring you down with them.

Grabherbythekity1 votes

If Riot is going to continue to allow trolls to take down passionate competitive gamers with them, they will very shortly, as they're already feeling, see a large decline in interest in their game of a good gamer base. That's why this community is now stuck with raging kids, whom they feel obligated to protect. For the amount of oversight they have on mild text, that would only offend people that are offended by everything and nothing, and giving out bans for it... It's really old. People waste hours of others lives with actions in game, and they ban the passionate competitive players that are actually trying to play and win. One of the softest communities out there, and the language restrictions are way too oversighted on mild things. Make people take some actions, you make a mute button, but ban people for as little as calling an actionable griefer a troll..... Get your priorities straight.

AJStarhiker1 votes

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If Riot is going to continue to allow trolls to take down passionate competitive gamers with them, they will very shortly, as they're already feeling, see a large decline in interest in their game of a good gamer base. That's why this community is now stuck with raging kids, whom they feel obligated to protect. For the amount of oversight they have on mild text, that would only offend people that are offended by everything and nothing, and giving out bans for it... It's really old. People waste hours of others lives with actions in game, and they ban the passionate competitive players that are actually trying to play and win. One of the softest communities out there, and the language restrictions are way too oversighted on mild things. Make people take some actions, you make a mute button, but ban people for as little as calling an actionable griefer a troll..... Get your priorities straight.

You've clearly never played sports. If I'd said any of the "mild" things you say people get banned for, I would have been booted from the team.

Grabherbythekity1 votes

I play hockey, we're not soft and take offense to minor things like this community, and when someone griefs, they pay the price.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

Then Riot needs to put more focus on the, "griefing, light trolling, “accidentally” feeding a kill or two".

Blocking naughty things typed in chat, is already controllable by the player (mute button). Intentional grievers are not controllable by the player.

Happy Elbow1 votes

Except i just said in the post it does indeed fix the problem. And of course it is riot's job to change things. They already did when they adressed peoples complaints by adding pings.

The problem would then (statistically likely) grow into griefing, light trolling, “accidentally” feeding a kill or two.. and other problems.

No it would not. I've never done that when i had a thousand chat restrictions and would never do it. Where do you get this idea from? That makes 0 sense.

EDIT: My point here is: I don't get flustered when i don't talk to people. Having the option though always makes me fall back to talking because i trick myself into thinking i can take it now. I can never take it long term. Which is why removing this option for me fixed the problem.

If you know you're gonna eat chocolate if it's in your fridge, you stop buying it. Isn't avoiding the problem action enough? I've never in my entire life ran it down mid or afked or anything like that. It seems you are unfamiliar with people who are actually passionate and can't control their anger very well.

Chermorg5 votes

It will not fix the problem. The problem is your negative attitude - you expressing that in chat is only a symptom of that. It is as if you are driving a car and don't know how to drive well - removing the steering wheel isn't going to teach you how to drive better.

I can understand you saying you don't get flustered when you aren't in chat - but even looking at your chat logs most of the things you're getting mad at are gameplay things - not chat messages. You complain about the gameplay - which you can't mute in chat. You will still have to see them smiting red buff, not watching the map, not listening to pings - that all will still be there - but you won't be able to flame them in chat.

Riot has statistics and has discussed that people like you, who are passionate about the game, will express their negative attitude even if chat is removed. You (and the players they examined) all claim you won't - but statistically (and psychologically) you will. It is not worth the effort it would take to police the hundreds of others who would resort to light trolling just because you refuse to change your attitude and police yourself.

Herald Est Mors2 votes

Act all high in mighty in the boards, but in game I'm sure you flame and get toxic too. Stop being such a damn snob. Seriously reading what you type gives me a headache because I know youre bullshitting because the role of Advisor is special to you. Stop, seriously dude don't even comment on these boards because all youre going to do is further show the MAJORITY of players that don't believe in Riots punishing systems how stupid the thinking of its supporters are.

Chermorg2 votes

I... Actually don't? I play League to have fun, not to berate, belittle, and blame others for a loss.

Herald Est Mors1 votes

Really? You are going to try to say you are an honest to God 100% untoxic player? Bullshit and you know it.

Happy Elbow1 votes

It will not fix the problem. The problem is your negative attitude - you expressing that in chat is only a symptom of that. It is as if you are driving a car and don't know how to drive well - removing the steering wheel isn't going to teach you how to drive better.

That is a terrible analogy and simply untrue. What part of

but even looking at your chat logs most of the things you're getting mad at are gameplay things - not chat messages.

How the fuck do you know? You can't see what they are saying. You're making this up to whiteknight around here. You LIterally have no idea what they said to me to. Just because i talk about ingame stuff does not mean i got mad because of it. I would not have gotten mad if they were nice because it wasn't ingame stuff.

I already told you i had 0 issues and was stress free when i literally wasn't able to engage in conversation. Why do you think you know me? Don't go around assuming shit you don't know.

Did you purposely ignore this:

I don't get flustered when i don't talk to people. Having the option though always makes me fall back to talking because i trick myself into thinking i can take it now. I can never take it long term. Which is why removing this option for me fixed the problem.

to feel better about you commenting this?

It is not worth the effort to actually punish players who really deserve it and apply the rules properly and make the game more healthy.

FYFY. It's not worth cause they still got the cash. Comparing Riot to the police is laughable at best and insulting at worst. Police don't get money from forcing me to get another licence and buy more cars cause they confiscated the ones i had for speeding 10 over the limit, which hurts no one.

Herald Est Mors1 votes

No no no no no no no no no, you sir are mistaken. Riot doesn't give a damn about reforming players, they want them all gone, and some little kids to be all that's left. If reforming was what they wanted, toxic players wouldn't be perma banned, they would be consistently punished in games by having things slowly taken away from them. Like XP, Champion mastery, Blue Essence, Keys, Chests, Queue Times, Inability to play ranked until enough honors in norms are given. Instead, Riot perma bans people. There is no reform, there is only punish. Its not my job to change how I am, its Riots job to change how dedicated players get punished because they get mad in a fucking videogame.

Chermorg2 votes

"it's not my job to follow the law, its the police job to not punish me for the laws I don't agree with and think I don't have to follow because I'm more important than everyone else."

Fixed that for you.

Herald Est Mors2 votes

oohhh loo whos getting snappy lol. What happened to calm and collected, like honestly bro youre being toxic. I think that that is worthy of a hat ban if we were in a game. And actually, youre still wrong, because what you said has no meaning to what you commented on. How about you read past the part I said you were mistaken and sack up and have a talk instead of trying to "belittle" me you nerd.

Happy Elbow1 votes

Except according to riot themselves i haven't done anything wrong. Read me the part of the summoners code where being passive aggressive is bannable? Cause that's my worse offense this chat log.

You have an issue assuming shit.

Chermorg2 votes

Sections 1, 3, 4, and 6.

Maybe you need to read the Summoner's code again and tell me where it says you're allowed to be passive aggressive just because you're mad.

Oh yeah, you weren't even just being passive aggressive - you were bossing your team and harassing them for much of this game with your passive aggressive light flaming.

Happy Elbow1 votes

Nowhere does it say what isn't allowed. You proved nothing and no, i was just being passive aggressive. Nowhere does it say bossing is against the summoners code. I didn't harrass them just cause you snowflake think i did. And you have absolutely no idea what they were saying. So since you're the absolute only one talking negatively about this case, i think you're wrong. Good day, sir.

I don't have to be prince charming, let people cross the road nor stop at yellow to demand my licence not to be removed. You may think of me what you want. I did not violate any rule.

Chermorg1 votes

Rule 1:

Once you get in game, try to keep an open line of communication.

Encourage players who are having trouble, and congratulate those who are playing well. And most of all, if you're having a bad game don't take it out on your team!

Rule 3:

When you choose to participate in a discussion with the rest of the playerbase, always try to be receptive to another player's point of view. If you keep an open mind, you'd be surprised what valuable information you can glean from your fellow players. Also, be mindful of how you present your point of view. If a player feels strongly on a subject, don't get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight.

Rule 4:

We want you to get excited, to have tension-filled moments, and to celebrate your success. This doesn't mean that we're okay with you ruining anybody else's day.

If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible. Once communication breaks down, the likelihood of victory is drastically diminished. It isn't uncommon for simple, good natured teasing to spiral out of control into a loss, so do yourself a favor and don't run the risk of sabotaging your own success.

Rule 6:

Moreover, if you've just lost, avoid pointing any fingers or deploying excuses. Even if you had a great game, it's not alright to blame your team. You had five opponents in that game, and - seeing as you just lost - chances are that they had something to do with it. We all know that losing can be frustrating, particularly if it's a close game or one that's completely one sided, but nobody likes a sore loser. Instead, thank your opponents for the game, and take a moment at the end of game screen to ask what you could have done better. If you're polite, you might pick up a few pointers that can help you counter your opponent's strategy in the future.

None of that gives you permission to be passive aggressive, and in fact all of those rules prohibit negative, passive aggressive, combative, and fighting communication as you displayed.

Shukr4n2 votes

/fullmute all You are welcome.

Did u get banned forcthat chatlog? If yes , what ban u received? If perma , did u already get a 14days ban prevoously?

Happy Elbow2 votes

Yes, perma. I got banned for this same type of light passive aggressiveness last time. Like.. This is the hardest i go and it's on the light sight in my opinion. I don't know what to do.

Grabherbythekity1 votes

I'm finding if you put anything in chat, you are open to being punished because of the safe zones they make for griefers.

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