Perma Banned for calling out an inting midlane

VulcanChase··1 votes·653 views

So this game the talon inted, dived into their tower for his first 3 deaths then proceeded to try to 1v5 every opportunity he got. Other than the expletives, I do not believe I was toxic, merely calling him out for hard feeding. Thoughts?

-VulcanChase: free game just dont feed VulcanChase: pls VulcanChase: christ VulcanChase: mb VulcanChase: his passive is always up VulcanChase: legit blocked 4 of my autos on me boys VulcanChase: kk VulcanChase: its warded VulcanChase: what VulcanChase: the fuck VulcanChase: talon what are you doing VulcanChase: zzzzz VulcanChase: another game another buncha inters VulcanChase: zzzz VulcanChase: yeah hes just sitting in my jg VulcanChase: lol VulcanChase: hes top dude VulcanChase: im waiting for my fucking camps to spawn VulcanChase: k VulcanChase: cant even farm my jg VulcanChase: amazinfg VulcanChase: somehow all lanes lost VulcanChase: amazing VulcanChase: lol VulcanChase: dude ur dead inting ur just gonna die and give up gold VulcanChase: just afk or smth VulcanChase: lol k VulcanChase: how about VulcanChase: we all buy pinks VulcanChase: and ward my fucking jg VulcanChase: ????? VulcanChase: talon and cho VulcanChase: never play this game again VulcanChase: pls VulcanChase: go play some normals or smth if your just gonna int/afk VulcanChase: no u just hard fed/inted ur lane VulcanChase: and i cant do shit because we have no mid pressure VulcanChase: so their just roaming in my fucking jg and i cant farm VulcanChase: or gank VulcanChase: games over when u picked talon and ran it down mid VulcanChase: ur fault for not warding VulcanChase: better mid wins tbh VulcanChase: go play normals or smth VulcanChase: bg

29 Comments

Umbral Regent5 votes

You had a seriously negative attitude and, believe it or not, "calling out" a player for intentionally feeding is harassment. You claiming that they're feeding, or calling them out, or whatever have you, only harms the morale of the team, because not only do they have to deal with a potential feeder, but they also now have to deal with someone flaming.

If you had a 14-day ban prior to this, then the permanent ban was deserved.

VulcanChase1 votes

I had the 14 day ban like back in season 7, about a year ago. I have unlocked honor back in january, but considering i was only calling out the talon and not say throwing homophobic or racist slurs at him, I find it very odd why this one game would ban be after being a goody two shoes for the last 141 games. And to be fair, it wasn't just me calling him out, he himself said he was just gonna troll cuz he "didn't get first blood", and the whole team just said "open mid". If anything me and the adc were the most positive people there. I get that I was mildly rude, but christ dude considering the context i think riot should analyze the whole situation before automatically dishing out the punishments.

Umbral Regent3 votes

You don't have to use zero-tolerance chat to warrant a ban. Beyond that, 141 games may not have been enough to de-escalate in punishment tiers. All I know is it takes quite a while (in terms of playing matches) to de-escalate.

Here's another thing, though;

VulcanChase: what VulcanChase: the fuck VulcanChase: talon what are you doing VulcanChase: zzzzz VulcanChase: another game another buncha inters VulcanChase: zzzz

VulcanChase: cant even farm my jg VulcanChase: amazinfg VulcanChase: somehow all lanes lost VulcanChase: amazing

VulcanChase: how about VulcanChase: we all buy pinks VulcanChase: and ward my fucking jg

VulcanChase: dude ur dead inting ur just gonna die and give up gold VulcanChase: just afk or smth

VulcanChase: talon and cho VulcanChase: never play this game again

VulcanChase: no u just hard fed/inted ur lane

VulcanChase: go play normals or smth

This is some pretty awful negative chat - not just "mildly rude", it's straight up combative, in-fighting, and inflammatory. Complaining constantly, accusing your teammates of intentionally feeding, and even going so far as to say "never play this game again". Let's be real, here, that chat isn't "mildly rude".

...i think riot should analyze the whole situation before automatically dishing out the punishments.

The "whole situation" doesn't matter. People don't want flamers in their games, regardless if they're flaming someone for breaking the rules. If you intend to start up another account, you should probably work on a lot of your attitude, because the negativity you bring into League is not going to help anything, and surely isn't welcome.

VulcanChase1 votes

It's not quite accusing, more like pointing it out. I'm not saying I am at fault here, I am just questioning riots prerequisites and measures taken to ban inters. Clearly this dude was inting, I was rude, but that is not to say the whole situation is a shitshow. I'm not really tight about the ban, just curious why they would rather ban me than a guy that legit runs it down mid.

Umbral Regent3 votes

I looked at your most recent match. The Talon died once under the opposing team's turret, and the rest of the match shows a progression of him dying closer and closer to your base. One death out of eight isn't a clear case of intentionally feeding, especially considering that his build path doesn't look strange.

So, as far as I can tell, no, they weren't "clearly inting", and yes. You were accusing them of intentionally feeding.

Regardless of whether you're accusing or pointing out, or if the person was or wasn't feeding, what do you expect to accomplish? If they aren't feeding, you calling them an intentional feeder and being a general jerk...

VulcanChase: zzzzz VulcanChase: another game another buncha inters VulcanChase: zzzz

Is only going to make them play much, much worse.

And if they are feeding...What do you expect them to do if you call them a feeder? D'you think they'll stop? That they'll just straighten up immediately as soon as it's pointed out that they're intentionally feeding? Odds are high that they won't. They're doing it to piss people off, and you're giving them exactly what they want.

As for why they'd choose to punish you over the guy who may just have gotten his ass beaten:

People don't want flamers in their games, regardless if they're flaming someone for breaking the rules.

Seriously. Even back during the Tribunal days, flamers were punished regardless of who or why they were flaming. You "pointing out" that Talon is "feeding" only makes the game worse for everyone else.

brunt jmz1 votes

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I looked at your most recent match. The Talon died once under the opposing team's turret, and the rest of the match shows a progression of him dying closer and closer to your base. One death out of eight isn't a clear case of intentionally feeding, especially considering that his build path doesn't look strange.

So, as far as I can tell, no, they weren't "clearly inting", and yes. You were accusing them of intentionally feeding.

Regardless of whether you're accusing or pointing out, or if the person was or wasn't feeding, what do you expect to accomplish? If they aren't feeding, you calling them an intentional feeder and being a general jerk...

Is only going to make them play much, much worse.

And if they are feeding...What do you expect them to do if you call them a feeder? D'you think they'll stop? That they'll just straighten up immediately as soon as it's pointed out that they're intentionally feeding? Odds are high that they won't. They're doing it to piss people off, and you're giving them exactly what they want.

As for why they'd choose to punish you over the guy who may just have gotten his ass beaten:

Seriously. Even back during the Tribunal days, flamers were punished regardless of who or why they were flaming. You "pointing out" that Talon is "feeding" only makes the game worse for everyone else.

how is pointing out someone is feeding flaming its the truth your fucked in the head wow

Umbral Regent3 votes

Let's put it like this; would you like to be called an intentional feeder every time you die? You're giving the game your all, but the moment you get brought to 0% health, for whatever reason, everyone on your team calls you an intentional feeder, and starts harassing you because you died.

Doesn't matter if you didn't actually intend to die, you died, and now you're branded a feeder, and your team will not stop attacking you.

Singling people out and accusing them of feeding is harassment. It serves no end but to attack another player on account of them dying.

And if you don't like the fact that calling someone a feeder (it's hardly ever the truth, btw) is against the rules - well, tough. It's Riot's game, and Riot's rules. Don't like 'em, nobody's forcing you to play their game.

brunt jmz1 votes

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Let's put it like this; would you like to be called an intentional feeder every time you die? You're giving the game your all, but the moment you get brought to 0% health, for whatever reason, everyone on your team calls you an intentional feeder, and starts harassing you because you died.

Doesn't matter if you didn't actually intend to die, you died, and now you're branded a feeder, and your team will not stop attacking you.

Singling people out and accusing them of feeding is harassment. It serves no end but to attack another player on account of them dying.

And if you don't like the fact that calling someone a feeder (it's hardly ever the truth, btw) is against the rules - well, tough. It's Riot's game, and Riot's rules. Don't like 'em, nobody's forcing you to play their game.

so then what should he do let the guy feed all game and say nothing and let him get away with it? seems like you dont mind people feeding your finding any excuse just to justify his ban

Umbral Regent4 votes

I do mind people feeding, but the issue is that, 1. the guy he claimed was "clearly feeding" wasn't clearly feeding, and 2. Bringing negativity into the chat makes the game worse for everyone.

Yes, he should ignore the feeder and play the game through as best he can. There's nothing he can reasonably do to stop the person from feeding if they even are, and being negative in chat isn't going to help anything, either.

If you have someone who you suspect is feeding in your match, the only thing you can do is play through to the game's end and report them. Do not become part of the problem by harassing them.

brunt jmz2 votes

lmao yeah that would be right blame the guy thats frustrated with getting someone thats inting and not the real problem like riot you are so fucked in the head its not funny

VulcanChase1 votes

Thanks man. Like the automated system is crap it doesn't take into context the game. In game banter should be allowed but inters/trolls should be reviewed by a HUMAN BEING and banned. That's the only way riots ever gonna catch these guys.

AeroWaffle2 votes

How many games do you think happens a day? How many intentional feeding reports do you think are made?

Do you honestly believe that Riot is capable of hiring the manpower to manually review all the intentional feeding reports? It's not realistic.

It sucks but that's the situation. For the report system to even remotely issue out punishments in a timely manner a majority of it needs to be done automatically. It's easy for a machine to see that someone is behaving poorly in chat since you're always in control of your chat. Detecting if someone is intentionally feeding without banning people who UN-intentionally play poorly is much harder.

brunt jmz1 votes

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How many games do you think happens a day? How many intentional feeding reports do you think are made?

Do you honestly believe that Riot is capable of hiring the manpower to manually review all the intentional feeding reports? It's not realistic.

It sucks but that's the situation. For the report system to even remotely issue out punishments in a timely manner a majority of it needs to be done automatically. It's easy for a machine to see that someone is behaving poorly in chat since you're always in control of your chat. Detecting if someone is intentionally feeding without banning people who UN-intentionally play poorly is much harder.

people inting/trolling even bots in the game are the most toxic thing about LOL goes to show that riot only care about money and not the people playing the game and the fact they dont give this guy any chance nope sorry you said some stuff thats not aloud but we will keep the inter thats fine and none toxic lmao i hate riot more and more i read this bullshit

AeroWaffle2 votes

i hate riot more and more i read this bullshit

That's strange, because it's like you didn't even read what I posted.

VulcanChase1 votes

The situation sucks. I deserve a punishment true, but again I think a blanketed autoban system is not the best way to go. Hopefully they review my ticket and maybe reduce my punishment or something.

Umbral Regent4 votes

Banter is allowed, it's just that some folks don't know what banter is. Google up "Banter Definition" and you'll get this:

Banter

noun the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.

verb talk or exchange remarks in a good-humored teasing way.

Your chat was not friendly, your chat was not playful, your chat was not in good humor. You were not exchanging banter, you were flaming.

VulcanChase1 votes

I mean the man is inting? all i said was dude go afk if your gonna troll? i guess it was rude but clearly not toxic at all...

brunt jmz2 votes

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I mean the man is inting? all i said was dude go afk if your gonna troll? i guess it was rude but clearly not toxic at all...

double standards mate riot are so far from perfect when getting these people its just easy to ban people from chat simple riot dont give to fucks about you or i

Umbral Regent4 votes

Double standards imply that the rules apply more to some than it does to others. Intentional feeders, trolls, and bots do get punished, it's just that detecting them is much, much harder.

There's no double-standard. You're simply seeing difficulty in detection/punishment and mistaking it for preferential treatment.

VulcanChase1 votes

Okay so what measures are riot taking to ensure these inters get banned at the same rate as toxic people? because the so far it seems although clearly there are a lot of inters and trolls, the efforts to ban them are minimal.

Umbral Regent3 votes

Would that I knew the exact measures, but I do know Riot does punish them. Some cases can be fairly obvious (obscenely high death count, positions of deaths, etc.), but other cases may not be so cut and dry. Riot tries to avoid punishing players until they can say without a reasonable doubt that they did intend to die for the sake of feeding their opponents.

It doesn't help that, certainly, quite a number of people tend to falsely report players who are doing poorly as "intentional feeders".

brunt jmz1 votes

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Double standards imply that the rules apply more to some than it does to others. Intentional feeders, trolls, and bots do get punished, it's just that detecting them is much, much harder.

There's no double-standard. You're simply seeing difficulty in detection/punishment and mistaking it for preferential treatment.

this is a quote from a troll im sure you will find this makes my point

I have loved this game for a long time, but over the years the troll problem has gotten worse and worse and Riot has done NOTHING to address it at all. Any effort they make is on banning the people that get frustrated at the trolls and say naughty words. Every time i bring this up though, it is claimed that Riot is banned trolls and that my experiences must be all delusion.

So i decided to troll. I decided to troll every ranked game until i got banned. I used all the trolling techniques. I built as troll as possible intentionally, i purposely fed, i would steal as many kills as possible and then go afk, i would afk farm the jg until my team lost, i would NEVER group with my team, i would ALWAYS steal a role or position in champ select, and then fill it with the worst possible champ, and i would do anything and everything in my power to make my team have as miserable a game as possible, EVERY SINGLE GAME until i got banned. I didnt just play badly, i played intentionally detrimental to my team and their moral. In fact, probably at least 25% of the games, i played good on purpose, only to go afk with all the gold and make my team lose.

Guess what, 250 ranked games, not a single ban. I ruined the gaming experience for 2,250 players, i negatively impacted matchmaking by single handedly altering the mmr of 2,250 players, i wasted at LEAST 937 hours of other peoples time. The only punishment i received was a chat ban before i started trolling because i was upset i was getting trolled and i got leaverbustered when my entire team lagged out. But NOT ONE SINGLE PUNISHMENT, or even warning, for trolling the living crap out of everyone all the time.

I did all the things that cause players to hate this game, and made every game i was in miserable, and I'm sure i garnered thousands of reports, but not even so much as a warning. This made me sick to stomach to do, but Riot has continued to deny this is a problem and promote delusional statistics to cover it up, and the only way to prove trolls don't get banned was to become a troll. I didn't enjoy becoming what has caused me so much frustration, but something, something batman quote.

This is unacceptable, this is atrocious, this is without defense. This account should have been banned within 5 games of trolling. This account should be permabanned, but instead got zero punishment for trolling.

I'm done with trolling now, i have proven my point. If riot and the community still want to pretend like it isnt a problem, then they can go ahead and let thousands upon thousands of games get trolled every day with no recourse. If Riot wants to read this and then ban my account now, great? But its pointless now, as the damage is already done and i wont be trolling anymore, but at least banning me now would prove they care even a little about trolls.

It's been 5 full seasons riot, and i have played every one of them, and the troll problem has never been worse. The only difference is now i know if i dare say a word to the trolls, i'll get banned. I would be really curious to know how many players got banned for raging on me during those 250 games, but im sure that would just make me that much more disgusted with you.

tl;dr - I trolled 250 ranked games with no punishment to prove Riot does absolutely nothing to address trolls.

Edit: I just want to point out that someone from Riot saw this and decided "naw, let him go, he doesnt verbally abuse his teammates so its cool"

Umbral Regent3 votes

Edit: I just want to point out that someone from Riot saw this and decided "naw, let him go, he doesnt verbally abuse his teammates so its cool"

If you have a link to a Rioter stating that, you should probably show it, 'cause the whole story is pretty suspect, and you saying Riot was okay with a troll makes me inclined to doubt every word.

Thee Pie Man3 votes

Here's the post they are talking about if you're curious. It's literally from 2 years ago.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/g047OoEn-undeniable-proof-that-trolls-do-not-get-banned

The systems have been fine tuned since then, and this guy got perma'd so it's not like it isn't working regardless of what they think. These topics are pretty much proof that there are a percentage of people playing the game that lack empathy.

Umbral Regent2 votes

Many thanks.

Also, pardon for digressing a bit here, but it feels weird that the "Edit" part was actually from the main post and not something that brunt jmz added retroactively. But, then again, the whole post he quoted didn't have quotes at the start and end, nor was it put in a blockquote, but, still. Weird stuff.

Thee Pie Man2 votes

Yeahhh I just realized that when you pointed it out. I did a quick google search for the first paragraph to find the post. (Very useful I can do that!) I didn't even realize that literally everything he said was copy pasted. I guess that was to be expected from someone that lacks the ability of self-control when it comes to their actions that lands them in this situation in the first place, no clear points out of them. Whatcha gonna do? Shrugs.

Unfortunately people like to see a single worm in an apple as the the entire bushel being infested which is usually just icing on the cake. I mean the original poster said it was undeniable proof yet offered no match history to the fellow players of 2 years ago, a Rioter comments on the post saying they didn't see anything wrong in their match history- I'm pretty sure they can see further in the history with access to the main history thingie that every player has that has the match history of every single game played since the beginning.

archerno13 votes

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I mean the man is inting? all i said was dude go afk if your gonna troll? i guess it was rude but clearly not toxic at all...

I dont think you understand what inting is. Someone making bad decisions and dying isnt considered inting. Most of Talons deaths are under his own tower. Fizz played far better. You also did very poorly. You invaded Pantheon for no reason giving him free first blood letting him snowball.

R3D R3LL1C2 votes

i mean what is he suppost to do if his mid laner feeds and it was'nt intentional going 1/9 in under first 10 minutes into a game should get you ban. you honoslty think we like haveing people doing stupid stuff like 1v3ing or trying to gank under turrets and feeding our lane enemy is fun? He is wasting this guys time for 45 minutes in a unwinable game now why does he get punished for calling this guy out that fucked him over than that guy that feeds doesnt get any punishment he should be ban from ranked and only allowed to play normals in my opinion, Its not fair have people coming into our ranked games that dont take it seriously enough to not feed or to not do stupid stuff like walking into enemy jungle that isnt warde or not warding your own jungle. you just waisting peoples if your going to feed 1/9 in first 1o or so minutes of the game.

Rayjay Redfang2 votes
  1. you mist have had many prior incidents to get perma'd 2)When someone is having a bad game, yelling at them for dying a lot doesn't make the game any better for them and will make them do worse. And no, he wasn't inting.

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