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Riot needs a way to track down (or backtrack) players who report others wrongfully.

xNaisa··1 votes·1,084 views

I received 14-day suspension for "abusive, player-reported comms". I've filed a ticket and im sure Rito was sort it out.

But there is a much bigger issue of players wrongfully reporting others.

Lets look at the chat log that was considered "abusive" and the context behind the chatlog.

Game 1 xNaisa: most of us do xNaisa: u guys take xNaisa: or leave (my team tried invaded enemy blue side, i asked if they will take the blue or leave it)

xNaisa: dafuq they rather lose lane xNaisa: and get me lol (I re-enter enemy blue side right after red buff, ran into their jungler, support and adc. So i told my team in team chat the enemy botside rather spend time killing me than match the early level 2 of my team's bot side)

xNaisa: ward (me communicating to my team a location has a ward on it)

xNaisa: its a lux - - xNaisa: tahts so rip lol (enemy Vayne went behind my team's lux, but got 1 shot by a lux skill rotation and was complaining , this is very much non abusive)

xNaisa: aanother ward there (me communicating to my team a location has a ward on it)

xNaisa: lol xNaisa: fucking xNaisa: zzz xNaisa: i spiked (I complained to my own team about a lag spike)

xNaisa: lol he ran out xNaisa: of E xNaisa: L)L xNaisa: LOL xNaisa: unlucky xNaisa: who put a ward there for u (Enemy Yas attempt to save their zac by teleporting to its passive, but instead mistakenly teleporting on a ward, nothing I said was abusive)

xNaisa: they are at it xNaisa: all lux =DDD xNaisa: gawd so slow (telling my team enemy is at baron, nothing abusive)

xNaisa: now xNaisa: %%%%% twitch backed (telling my team in team chat to go for a objective since their carry backed, nothing abusive, maybe offensive)

xNaisa: gg (its a gg after we won the game)

TL;DR: **The big issue here is the anonymity of players who are reporting people. **

In our real life societies, misuse and abuse of 911 can lead to fines or even jail time. But in League of Legends, misuse and abuse of report system has no repercussion at all.

To make it worst, Riot informs players that a player they had recently reported had been banned.

Implementing Riot's report system to RL, I can literally dial 911 anonymously on my neighbor on a false claim, and the police will call me back and inform me that they had arrested my neighbor with no parole.

Maybe if my 14-days dont get revoked, i might as report all the other 9 players every game once im unbanned.

9 players in 11 games is 99 people, 11 games takes me around 2 days. All I need is a 1.01% chance of causing a ban and within 2 days, I can make 1 player loses 2 weeks or even permanent play time.

Dear Riot, lets make this community less toxic, starting with detoxing your own system.

28 Comments

Zezockary7 votes

When you get reported an automated system checks your logs to see if anything is punishable in them, then if they are it adds it to a case against you, and when your case reaches the point it is punishable you get punished. The issue is you seem to think that your logs are not punishable, and tbh they aren't the worst ever, the main issue is that you used hate speech or racism, it is censored so I cant tell which.

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xNaisa: %%%%% twitch backed

Riot has a zero tolerance policy against hate speech and racism and it is an instant 14 day suspension for using it if it is reported.

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In our real life societies, misuse and abuse of 911 can lead to fines or even jail time. But in League of Legends, misuse and abuse of report system has no repercussion at all.

Yes, but in real life the government has to use tax payer's dollars to pay people to hurry to the scene, generally armed, bust onto the property, and occasionally end up wrongfully hurting somebody. Nobody in this case is using the tax payer's money or potentially causing somebody harm or death.

xNaisa1 votes

just a bad metaphor on my behalf.

If it suits you better,

a public school student falsely snitch on a classmate, school suspend the classmate and tells the student, job well done.

GankedByWindows2 votes

Except in this case, there is proof. In your metaphor you're implying there isn't. That is the key difference. When you patched and accepted the ToS, you agreed that if you violated it in any way Riot can suspend your account, which they have done and have proof that you broke the ToS.

zPOOPz3 votes

where the hell do you live that a school would suspend a random student just because someone snitched on him? A school would only suspend a student IF that student broke the school codes. If it is a false tip (snitch), then in no school IN THE WORLD would any student get suspended just because someone falsely accused him/her of some wrongdoings.

Your example blown my mind. You are assuming both the school system and the IFS are some irresponsible system that does ZERO investigation before handing out punishments.

RallerenP1 votes

Yeah except the school instantly has access to all information about the falsely accused student, knows everything about him and also knows that he didn't do anything wrong, so he didn't get punished. The student falsely accusing the other also gets let off, because the school wasted no resources in it's investigation.

Also punishing people for reporting falsely will deter people from reporting actual bad behaviour in fear that it might get themselves punished.

Chermorg5 votes

How about you post your full, unedited chat log (DO NOT include commentary, nobody cares about the context), and screenshots proving you haven't edited it?

xNaisa1 votes

[https://gyazo.com/2c950def45fadbd7fc691e09ce2ef29c]

Chermorg1 votes

Using racial slurs such as that word starting with N is something Riot has zero tolerance for.

That is why your punishment was an instant 14 day ban. In addition to the fact that your chat is overtly passive aggressive throughout most of it.

xNaisa1 votes

so you are telling me, the moment i see any racial slurs come up in any game, i can instantly report them after game and they will get instantly banned.

Because thats way easier than having me report 99 people in 11 games.

Chermorg3 votes

Yes.

I'm not sure how confusing that is. It's like if you saw someone robbing a shopkeeper. You call the police, they get thrown in jail.

#Racial/homophobic slurs (among other things) are not permitted in any context in League.

xNaisa1 votes

well im screwed because my username is asian backwards, thats yellow, brown and some white combined.

also you are banned too because a CHERM is a hermaphrodite.

ironic

xNaisa1 votes

i meant cher the singer

ModPeriscope2 votes

None of this is true. None.

AraMoOse2 votes

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well im screwed because my username is asian backwards, thats yellow, brown and some white combined.

also you are banned too because a CHERM is a hermaphrodite.

ironic

Either you understand, or you don't.

I think you do.

Either way, your post is irrelevant since you were NOT wrongfully reported.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

I am sure that Riot actually can track down who reported who: before the system was as good at filtering out false reports as it is--and back when report weighting was a thing--it actually used to decrease the value of your reports based on how frequently you incorrectly reported someone.

These days, the system is very good at filtering out false reports, and so the backtracking feature is not used. I'm sure it still exists though, and Riot could find out if they wanted to.

The problem with your account is not false reports though: it's racism. While that word is acceptable in some small friend groups or cultural groups, the public forum that is League of Legends is not an appropriate place for it.

You are welcome to use whatever language you want when sending private messages to and from your friends, or when using third-party software to communicate. When you were communicating publicly inside the league client, however, that language is not acceptable, and it is subject to a zero-tolerance policy resulting in a 14-day ban on the first offense.

You should also note that a 14-day ban puts your account one behavioral punishment of any kind away from a permanent ban. You will need to be on your best behavior for at least two to three months to recover your account's standing.

ModUlanopo3 votes

You should keep in mind the system throws out reports where it fails to find toxicity. A "false" report can't affect your account.

scazzman1 votes

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You should keep in mind the system throws out reports where it fails to find toxicity. A "false" report can't affect your account.

a bigger problem with the punishment system which riot STILL refuses to address. is flamebaiters. maybe make it so people below a certain honor level can't report.

also. deliberately trying to bait punishments should be an instant 14 day ban

zPOOPz1 votes

make it so people below a certain honor level can't report

Then victims of toxicity will truly be unable to properly "retaliate" with report. Even if you are a toxic punished person (honor 0 or 1), you still don't deserve to be flamed, blamed, trolled, etc. without the ability to report the offender.

also. deliberately trying to bait punishments should be an instant 14 day ban

That is subjective. If someone is trolling that triggered you to be toxic, he definitely should be punished. If someone say things to provoke you, but those things in and of itself not toxic, you only have yourself to blame for taking the bait. You should be personally accountable for your actions and not try to transfer blame onto another person. If someone trying to bait you, mute them and ignore them.

In the end, everyone is judged solely on his or her actions/chat log alone. If the baiter actions and chat log standalone is not toxic, why should he or she be punished? Everyone has different triggers. Some things I said may just be laughed as a joke by most people, while the same things will put someone into a raging toxic flame.

I don't care to see 50x "I was baited by XXX, please ban XXX" everyday. Most especially the "His feeding baited me into flame. He should be banned."

scazzman1 votes

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Then victims of toxicity will truly be unable to properly "retaliate" with report. Even if you are a toxic punished person (honor 0 or 1), you still don't deserve to be flamed, blamed, trolled, etc. without the ability to report the offender.

unless they are in a 4man premade. odds are someone else will still report them. so unless riot is lying about the effectiveness of multiple reports. it shouldnt matter.you could even make it so they could manually submit support ticket reports. just not the in game client.

That is subjective. If someone is trolling that triggered you to be toxic, he definitely should be punished. If someone say things to provoke you, but those things in and of itself not toxic, you only have yourself to blame for taking the bait. You should be personally accountable for your actions and not try to transfer blame onto another person. If someone trying to bait you, mute them and ignore them.

i'm talking about when people do it DELIBERATELY. and the IFS could be tuned to identify people who flamebait based on how they report, how often they get reported. riot is just too lazy to do it.

In the end, everyone is judged solely on his or her actions/chat log alone. If the baiter actions and chat log standalone is not toxic, why should he or she be punished? Everyone has different triggers. Some things I said may just be laughed as a joke by most people, while the same things will put someone into a raging toxic flame.

its not about whether the bait is taken. its about people deliberately trying to get other players banned, and half the time not even getting punished

EvilDustMan2 votes

And this was the only chat log?

xNaisa1 votes

ya lolitem 3070 item 3070 item 3070

archerno12 votes

What is censored word?

xNaisa1 votes

the n word with ga end, i mean if that word is ban-able in 2017, i might as well get perma-ban because my username is asian backwards

Chermorg6 votes

Yes, a word used to describe someone from a specific part of the world is certainly the same as a word that people associate with slavery and racism.

Totally.

archerno12 votes

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the n word with ga end, i mean if that word is ban-able in 2017, i might as well get perma-ban because my username is asian backwards

Asian is not racist slur. And why would racism be allowed in 2017?

Beas7ie1 votes

If this is the only chat log and you're not leaving anything out then send in a support ticket. Otherwise, I suspect there is more to this.

Torpedosheep1 votes

Greetings.

I can assure you that fake reports have nothing to do with your punishment. The Instant Feedback System does not "trust" people to make honest reports.

It absolutely doesn't matter how many people issue fake reports, since reports only trigger the investigation, they play no role in the outcome.

Drugoth1 votes

{quoted} xNaisa: %%%%% twitch backed

Most likely this is the reason you were punished. The fact that the boards censored this word means it's one of the zero tolerance words.

The IFS will punish for words like these regardless of context and you should avoid using them at all.

False reporting doesn't really harm anyone, most false reports don't end in a punishment precisely because they are false. There is no need to punish people for this.

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