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Getting 14 days ban for playing champ 1st time (NO JOKE)

saltisLT··4 votes·1,201 views

That's the situation. I had previous 2 toxic games - I agree with RIOT decision but the 3rd one where i got banned just because I pick Ivern for the 1st time ? I got reported by my team who viewed my decision as troll and RIOT agrees?

  1. I didn't troll (actually I never troll, RIOT can look into my history)
  2. I am the only player who actually got a kill
  3. i didn't feed (those who reported me had 0/0 0/5 0/6 0/9 , mean while i had 1/3).

Let me explain the reason why I pick Ivern. From my experience I literally haven't won a single game with Nunu in the team, so my decision in this game was to pick a new champ and try it out - how is it punishable ? And you know what - just as I KNEW, Nunu didn't contribute anything at all for the team, instead he end up with 0/9 stats. Essential, my team end up refusing to cooperate with me, trolled me and trolled RIOT to ban me. Game 1 saltisLT: fnx for help saltisLT: what ? didn't you read chat ? saltisLT: ivern is support champ saltisLT: what ? i said, 1st tim ivern saltisLT: i have no experience saltisLT: i don't know why you are so angry, i all explained before we started the game saltisLT: u all knew, im 1st time ivern saltisLT: well, did you read chat ? saltisLT: u also should have know 1st time i play ivern saltisLT: not trolling saltisLT: 1st time iver, how many times i have to explain ? saltisLT: dont think i have to explain saltisLT: report me for playing ivern 1st tim :D saltisLT: cuz i pick ivern saltisLT: so you knew ? saltisLT: and now you are blaming me ? saltisLT: fine, report me for playing iver :D saltisLT: and what RIOT suppose to do for those who plays Ivern champ 1st time, ban ? saltisLT: considering im not the main feeder saltisLT: yes saltisLT: troll ? saltisLT: how troll is for picking champ 1st time ? saltisLT: and nunu died 4 times, saltisLT: and now you see yoruself why i said this game is lose - lose saltisLT: can we just stop talking and focus in winning / saltisLT: and less feeding ? saltisLT: explain me why should i pick zilean if i know nunu will feed ? saltisLT: 0 6 who's trolling ? saltisLT: i mean, 0 7 saltisLT: actually 1st, it's 1st time i pick Ivern saltisLT: u talk about troll saltisLT: it's not my style saltisLT: from the begining i didn't believe we can't win , so easy choice - why not to pick a champ wehre i can get some practice ?

31 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram9 votes

What about the other games that were provided in your reform card?

saltisLT3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EAcuEHeo,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-06-02T19:31:44.144+0000)

What about the other games that were provided in your reform card?

I absolutely agree about RIOT decision regarding other games, but we are talking the last game which made this ban to happen.

AeroWaffle5 votes

All games provided to you via the card are example games that contributed to the ban, you can't just ignore other games and claim that only one of the games is what caused your ban.

saltisLT3 votes

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All games provided to you via the card are example games that contributed to the ban, you can't just ignore other games and claim that only one of the games is what caused your ban.

If so, why the 3rd game was fatal considering 3rd game was a fake accusation against me ?

ModThe Djinn5 votes

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If so, why the 3rd game was fatal considering 3rd game was a fake accusation against me ?

Because you had accumulated enough reports that another one made the system re-check your account's history. In effect it may have been an unjustified report, but it triggered a review of previous behavior that justified a ban.

The system doesn't really work on a "X strikes" system -- it works whenever it identifies toxic behavior. So even if the report was false it may have uncovered toxic behavior, and is thus working as intended.

saltisLT3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EAcuEHeo,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-02T20:05:01.518+0000)

Because you had accumulated enough reports that another one made the system re-check your account's history. In effect it may have been an unjustified report, but it triggered a review of previous behavior that justified a ban.

The system doesn't really work on a "X strikes" system -- it works whenever it identifies toxic behavior. So even if the report was false it may have uncovered toxic behavior, and is thus working as intended.

OK, fnx for explanation. I suppose that justifies the ban. No more issues with it. ps. down-voting a thread for trying to defend against fake report doesn't really gives more respect.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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OK, fnx for explanation. I suppose that justifies the ban. No more issues with it.

Happy to help. :)

ps. down-voting a thread for trying to defend against fake report doesn't really gives more respect.

I'm probably not the person you want to address this to -- I actually reserve downvotes specifically for threads where the initial poster is clearly not interested in anything but ranting about how unfair the rules are. :)

I believe the reason you're getting them here, however, is that it is possible to interpret the fact that you didn't acknowledge or mention the other games on your reform card and the contents of their logs -- we get a lot of people hiding parts of their logs in an attempt to pretend to be innocent and, even though that may not have been your intent, I suspect a lot of people are reading it that way.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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I absolutely agree about RIOT decision regarding other games, but we are talking the last game which made this ban to happen.

There is always a chance that the report that pushes you over the edge isn't necessarily the most justified report, but you still had to accumulate a TON of reports to your number of games played to make the system take notice, or have very egregious behavior. Those other games mattered more, and in this case the system just may have caught you one game sooner than it would have otherwise. There's not some "special number" of toxic games you get -- it's just how long it takes the system to confirm your behavior.

So the ban isn't for playing a champ for the 1st time -- it's for accumulating a percentage of valid games reported that you were RIGHT on the tipping point of a ban, and then that last report making the system recheck your account's standing. You were banned entirely for your other behavior.

Jo0o1 votes

Oops, called it.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

Was it this game or the other game before this that triggered the ban? Were the other two chats similar offenses or verbal abuse? Do the other two game chats indicate that he tilted and for his third game decided to troll his team? Those are my questions for him.

saltisLT1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EAcuEHeo,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2017-06-02T19:38:43.750+0000)

Was it this game or the other game before this that triggered the ban? Were the other two chats similar offenses or verbal abuse? Do the other two game chats indicate that he tilted and for his third game decided to troll his team? Those are my questions for him.

Why people insist I was trolling when I never before trolled, neither I said I would troll neither I was trolling. Opposite, i was efficient player in comparison with other 3 players who constantly spent time of typing and accusing me false accusations.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

But your intention was not to win based on your comment about Nunu. That's where you lost me.

saltisLT1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EAcuEHeo,comment-id=0004000200000000,timestamp=2017-06-02T19:51:01.696+0000)

But your intention was not to win based on your comment about Nunu. That's where you lost me.

Never said that. My intention was to play Ivern because I didn't believe Nunu will carry us therefore I would try out new champ (which I was 100% correct), not because i wanted to lose. Look, I am leveling this account, ok ? Why would i try to lose intentionally. This even wouldn't make sense. Note: Before the game never accused, flamed or otherwise made nunu to think i have something against him. During the game, I noticed Nunu's performace for guys to see the reason of my assumption which led picking Ivern. W/E you can be ignorant regarding my motives, but one thing is true - I didn't troll.

KORGtuners3 votes

You got banned for your words.

saltisLT1 votes

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You got banned for your words.

HUH ? Can you elaborate ? For telling why I pick Ivern ? Notice, I didn't accuse anyone. I didn't say anything beyond obvious facts.

KORGtuners1 votes

Because Riot uses an automated system. You used words the system doesn't like. Now you are banned because of your words.

If you are lucky a Rioter will come in here and give you a clearer idea of what you did wrong. Or you can submit a support ticket, They won't tell you specifics.

saltisLT1 votes

{quoted}

Because Riot uses an automated system. You used words the system doesn't like. Now you are banned because of your words.

If you are lucky a Rioter will come in here and give you a clearer idea of what you did wrong. Or you can submit a support ticket, They won't tell you specifics.

Fnx for elaborating, but I still don't get what words were punishable. Please can you tell me how can I submit a ticket ?

KORGtuners2 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us

AeroWaffle1 votes

saltisLT: from the begining i didn't believe we can't win , so easy choice - why not to pick a champ wehre i can get some practice ?

Not really the best attitude to have when your teammates are trying to win.

saltisLT1 votes

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Not really the best attitude to have when your teammates are trying to win.

Are you telling me, i wasn't trying to win ? How come I was the only one in our team who got a kill and put efforts to get it ?

That's assumption based on experience and it was 100% accurate. How ban is warrant based on accurate assumption and proved by solid fact ?Beside, what's wrong with picking champ for the 1st time ? I didn't say anything negative to them, not a single word for their picks, even I didn't like it. Yet, they didn't like my pick and they initiated ban.

AeroWaffle2 votes

It's not that you picked a champ for the first time, it's that you did it because you thought the match was already lost and knew that picking Ivern was unlikely to help your team win (in fact, it sounds like you knew picking the champ for the first time would help the team lose). But you did it anyway.

It sounds like you threw the match before it began under the guise of "practicing" a champ.

Nunu win rate in the jungle is statistically 55% (he actually has the top win% among junglers in your region right now), your personal experiences do not dictate if something will work or not.

saltisLT1 votes

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It's not that you picked a champ for the first time, it's that you did it because you thought the match was already lost and knew that picking Ivern was unlikely to help your team win (in fact, it sounds like you knew picking the champ for the first time would help the team lose). But you did it anyway.

It sounds like you threw the match before it began under the guise of "practicing" a champ.

Nunu win rate in the jungle is statistically 55% (he actually has the top win% among junglers right now), your personal experiences do not dictate if something will work or not.

How come the motives are bannable if my performance was 2nd best in the team ? I can think what I want but I didn't offend anyone neither by words or deeds.

AeroWaffle1 votes

The motives have always been the bannable aspect.

Intentional feeding for example; dying 5 times intentionally is against the rules but dying 10 times unintentionally is not.

saltisLT1 votes

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The motives have always been the bannable aspect.

Intentional feeding for example; dying 5 times intentionally is against the rules but dying 10 times unintentionally is not.

Don't mix up 2 things - assumption for motives can be different than actions. Just like in my situation, the team assumed wrongly my motives. I picked Ivern because I wanted to try out new champ, not because i wanted to make my team to lose. For the same very reason i was careful and didn't die nearly as much as other members of my team. Instead I was the only one who got a kill. What I believed if my team can win or not is absolutely my private thoughts. I didn't cause them to lose - they made terrible decisions and lack of skill.

AeroWaffle1 votes

saltisLT: from the begining i didn't believe we can't win , so easy choice - why not to pick a champ wehre i can get some practice ?

Not exactly your private thoughts

This Is Your Dad1 votes

Is this a normals or ranked match? Personally for normals I would not have reported you because the match is there to experiment and learn new things. For ranked I would have considered it you trying to troll the team. Co op vs ai is great for first clear jungling but after that it's useless for experience in actual gameplay.

"Let me explain the reason why I pick Ivern. From my experience I literally haven't won a single game with Nunu in the team, so my decision in this game was to pick a new champ and try it out - how is it punishable ? And you know what - just as I KNEW, Nunu didn't contribute anything at all for the team, instead he end up with 0/9 stats. Essential, my team end up refusing to cooperate with me, trolled me and trolled RIOT to ban me."

This section does not help your cause. You honestly should have left that out if you wanted your ban lifted; now you may have to live with it.

saltisLT1 votes

I agree with what you say, but I am not aware there are rules you can't play champion for the 1st time if you are in ranked. In fact I support the idea that ranked champs should be at least lvl 5 otherwise it creates huge discrepancy between who plays 1st time vs lvl 7 champ.

This Is Your Dad2 votes

There're no rules regarding first timing champs in ranked. None at all. But the explanation you provided indicates that you first timed something because you wanted to sacrifice the possibility of a win. No one knows you're first timing a champ but you indicated this in chat for no other feasible reason than to get back at nunu. You indicated that you WANTED to lose. First timing urgot adc because you got filled adc and don't own anything ranged other than urgot is different that picking ivern adc and saying first time ivern guys lol in chat.

saltisLT1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EAcuEHeo,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-06-02T19:36:49.188+0000)

There're no rules regarding first timing champs in ranked. None at all. But the explanation you provided indicates that you first timed something because you wanted to sacrifice the possibility of a win. No one knows you're first timing a champ but you indicated this in chat for no other feasible reason than to get back at nunu. You indicated that you WANTED to lose. First timing urgot adc because you got filled adc and don't own anything ranged other than urgot is different that picking ivern adc and saying first time ivern guys lol in chat.

I never indicated i wanted to lose. Opposite, i tried to win, how else you would explain my efforts not to die and to get kills for the team ? That's the very reason why i DIDN'T pick Urgot - because I was certain i can't play him and therefore my team would lose, so I changed something I can play support with.

Jo0o1 votes

If I understand you correctly, you were toxic in two other games?

It's not uncommon for punishments to be enacted but one of the example games isn't especially bad. This wasn't a great log, but hardly worth a punishment on its own. If you were more toxic in other logs, though, that would explain the ban.

saltisLT1 votes

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If I understand you correctly, you were toxic in two other games?

It's not uncommon for punishments to be enacted but one of the example games isn't especially bad. This wasn't a great log, but hardly worth a punishment on its own. If you were more toxic in other logs, though, that would explain the ban.

yes i was, i don't deny.

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