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Got Perma banned for stating facts and getting reported by a 4 man team

Sl3nd3rMan 65··2 votes·2,014 views
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So I have attached my chat logs here below my thoughts on this game. I find it unreasonable that i received a permanent ban. Let me explain why.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS, WHILE IT RELATES TO MY BEHAVIOR, IT IS OUT OF CONTEXT. THE RESPONSES FROM OTHER TEAMMATES FROM BOTH GAMES WERE EXTREMELY TOXIC, INSULTING AND THREATENING IN BOTH THE GAMES, WHICH OF COURSE IS NOT HERE. I WISH I COULD SHOW THOSE TOO.

In Game 1, I was playing in a game with a four man team. They were all queued up together. Or so they mentioned. However, I wanted to play Zac as a support, and I called it first in the pre-game chat. They repeatedly mentioned they did not care about my pick and that they were going bot. However, I did not budge from my choice as it was in my right to play bot since I called it first.

In game, they kept repeatedly saying that they would 4 man report me. They were trying to ban me off just because they were queued up together. One of them, person playing Alistar, kept saying she was a girl and that I need to go top. She was basically saying I need to give her the role of support just cause she was a girl. Another person kept insulting me and annoying me and the others kept bullying and threatening me.

I was not at all toxic. I did not say a SINGLE word against them. All i was typing in the chat was mentioning what my team was doing to me in ALL chat so I could make the other team aware of the situation that I was in.

And now i get permanent banned. I do not understand the cause of this. I was not at all in the wrong here. They were abusing the system just because they were queued up together, and decided to report me together.

In Game 2, Initially we had a Yasuo in my team as well who did not pick jungle. I was defending him by telling the team that you don;t report someone for NOT picking jungle. I mentioned that i would only report someone who would intentionally feed, not just cause they didn't pick a role everyone else did not want.

Earlier that game I had given bot to queued up people because they really wanted it. Anyway, I noticed later in the game that we were not doing well and bot was not doing well at all. So i mentioned to jinx that she had almost same CS as me and that she should be getting last hits. I was telling Jinx there was a whole 3 level difference between her and enemy team adc.

They called me out for being toxic just because i was telling them what they were doing wrong. How is that being toxic? I have not even come close to insulting them or calling them names or anything. I was simply stating facts SO they can realize their mistakes and focus on how they could be doing better using my suggestions.

In the end, I was telling them that they were ignorant as they were insulting me for being toxic. Apparently calling them out for their mistakes or what they should be doing is toxic. Suggestions or facts about anyone else is toxic apparently as long as they are not compliments. Basically, anything except compliments are not allowed?????????? In the last few statements, one of my teammates called me out for having a stupid brain and i retaliated that.

I have received two bans earlier for toxicity, but then I was insulting, saying bad words and calling names. I was wrong then and I do acknowledge that. Which is why I have been avoiding chat or just been stating facts and not insulted anyone or come close to calling names or saying bad words. I just do not find this serious enough to call for a ban. This is not close to how I was insulted. And ofcourse, being a person who only takes action at things which would actually impact someone;s game, i did not report anyone from either of those games.

Anyway, personally I do not think that I deserve a permanent ban. Was i in the wrong? Game 1, definitely not. Game 2, maybe stating facts is a crime now. It seems like anything except compliments is not encouraged, and only the person who is provoked is responsible and no one else. That is the gist of what I seem to get from Riot. Either way I would like your responses or thoughts on this, although I know you guys will probably tell me that i was toxic as hell. Thanks anyway!

Game 1 Sl3nd3rMan 65: ill report u for false report Sl3nd3rMan 65: lets see who gets banned Sl3nd3rMan 65: no i ddint Sl3nd3rMan 65: i called it first Sl3nd3rMan 65: and then i locked it Sl3nd3rMan 65: riot has the feed :) Sl3nd3rMan 65: idc u all are random to me Sl3nd3rMan 65: go ahead Sl3nd3rMan 65: im sorry but i called it first Sl3nd3rMan 65: i called the lane first Sl3nd3rMan 65: Since they are a 4 man team Sl3nd3rMan 65: they are trying to 4 man report me Sl3nd3rMan 65: even tho i called it first Sl3nd3rMan 65: Muting this team Sl3nd3rMan 65: wow they let me die Sl3nd3rMan 65: for no reason Sl3nd3rMan 65: im reporting this team Sl3nd3rMan 65: muted reported Sl3nd3rMan 65: they think they can take advantage of me Sl3nd3rMan 65: just cause they are 4 man Sl3nd3rMan 65: u first take advnatage o fme Sl3nd3rMan 65: threaten me that ull report me Sl3nd3rMan 65: and now u ask for my help Sl3nd3rMan 65: alistar can go top Sl3nd3rMan 65: why does it have to be me Sl3nd3rMan 65: i am using support masteries Sl3nd3rMan 65: dude Sl3nd3rMan 65: i dont cafre if ur a girl Sl3nd3rMan 65: and even i know only a support Sl3nd3rMan 65: idk how to top Sl3nd3rMan 65: im playing him support Sl3nd3rMan 65: league encourages us to try diff ubidl Sl3nd3rMan 65: i could be if u stop typing and distracting me Sl3nd3rMan 65: this alistar keeps telling me shes a girl Sl3nd3rMan 65: And apparently that entitles me to go top Sl3nd3rMan 65: for that reason i doubt shes a girl Sl3nd3rMan 65: no girl goes im a girl im a girl Sl3nd3rMan 65: not interested Sl3nd3rMan 65: lol Sl3nd3rMan 65: lol Sl3nd3rMan 65: ur a girl too now? Sl3nd3rMan 65: idc if ur a girl or guy Sl3nd3rMan 65: just dont dictate me what to do Sl3nd3rMan 65: and i refused kindly Sl3nd3rMan 65: not really Sl3nd3rMan 65: u are completelt wrong there Sl3nd3rMan 65: being in a team doesnt entitle you to the role that u want Sl3nd3rMan 65: i called first hencei picked it, if i didnt call it first i would be in the weong Sl3nd3rMan 65: lol Sl3nd3rMan 65: dont talk to me Sl3nd3rMan 65: im not interested Sl3nd3rMan 65: in responding to u Sl3nd3rMan 65: ill just play my own game Sl3nd3rMan 65: so leave me alone Sl3nd3rMan 65: ? Sl3nd3rMan 65: you engaged yas Sl3nd3rMan 65: not me Sl3nd3rMan 65: report the entire team Sl3nd3rMan 65: For ttaking advantage of me Sl3nd3rMan 65: cause im the only one not in their paryt

Game 2 Sl3nd3rMan 65: dont think u can report someone for that Sl3nd3rMan 65: jungle was not meant as a lane Sl3nd3rMan 65: when league was made Sl3nd3rMan 65: we made it a lane Sl3nd3rMan 65: by introducing leash Sl3nd3rMan 65: i could have gone bot with 3p pl too Sl3nd3rMan 65: it is my right Sl3nd3rMan 65: however if he feeds Sl3nd3rMan 65: thats when i will report Sl3nd3rMan 65: intentionaly ofc Sl3nd3rMan 65: team so weak Sl3nd3rMan 65: bot Sl3nd3rMan 65: what is ur farm Sl3nd3rMan 65: get last hits Sl3nd3rMan 65: even i have more farm thanu Sl3nd3rMan 65: idk what ur doing Sl3nd3rMan 65: jinx u Sl3nd3rMan 65: im talking to u Sl3nd3rMan 65: jinx there are 3 levels between u and enemy team adc Sl3nd3rMan 65: nah im free to speak Sl3nd3rMan 65: i dont need ur permission Sl3nd3rMan 65: even nami has higher levle than u Sl3nd3rMan 65: i have almost same cs as u Sl3nd3rMan 65: im not being toxic Sl3nd3rMan 65: im telling jinx that she has low cs Sl3nd3rMan 65: apparently Sl3nd3rMan 65: Telling facts Sl3nd3rMan 65: is called being toxic Sl3nd3rMan 65: Lol Sl3nd3rMan 65: these guys just dont wanna hear their own weaknesses Sl3nd3rMan 65: its kinda sad Sl3nd3rMan 65: tbh Sl3nd3rMan 65: if there was a report for being ignorant Sl3nd3rMan 65: i know whom to report Sl3nd3rMan 65: then ud have to learn english first Sl3nd3rMan 65: before doing that Sl3nd3rMan 65: lool Sl3nd3rMan 65: i dont vote for ppl with brains like u Sl3nd3rMan 65: like urs*

56 Comments

archerno17 votes

Lets get some things clear that you obviously fail to understand:

-In blind pick, calling roles is NOT a rule. U read this? Its NOT a rule.

However, I did not budge from my choice as it was in my right to play bot since I called it first.

No, you didnt have that right because you called it first. You had that "right" for different reason that i will address later.

In blind pick role assignment relies on communication. Communication that goes both way. Maybe they were 4 man premade, but they were still 4 individuals and they individually have same right as you. Riot stated many times that they dont support call order and that team communication should decide roles in blind pick. In case of this game, due to you being headstrong, communication failed.

You decided that you want to play Zac as support, even tho u never build him as support, even tho you dont do anything to support your team and even tho someone else wanted to ACTUALLY support. Now you intended to use technicality that you are allowed to play off meta to bully 4 people into submission. Since obviously communication failed due to your actions, there are 2 possible choices: You could have dodged game or you could have just gone bot lane as u wanted. Now, i have played a lot of blind pick games (when draft is disabled) with my premade and from time to time we come by "insert adjective here" like you. But we have our way of handling it. Instead of arguing and fighting, we ignore him and go 2 man top leaving him alone bot. Using technicalities work both ways. Thats what your teammates should have done.

Now to address your right. Yes, you had right to go bot because in blind pick there are no assigned roles. Everyone has right to go wherever they want if you want to be "technical". You could have gone 3 top, 2 jungle,3 bot, anything you wanted. In which case all you had to do was mute them and play. But you didnt do that.

You decided to actively engage in arguing with teammates and you decided to include enemies into that. You broke rules several times calling for reports, threatened your teammates with bans, you also lied to your teammates how you dont know how to play top even tho you often play Teemo top. Showing once again that your actions were done to spite your team.

And thats just game 1. In game 2 you constantly harassed your ADC about its farm. After u got 14 days ban, you were warned that if you break rules again in the future , you will get permanently banned. And you did. And you got permanently banned. You tried to use technicalities against your teammates and it backfired.

Were you mildly toxic ? Yes. Would u get punished if you never had any punishments before? Probably not. But because of your history, you are done.

RallerenP3 votes

Did you have any previous punishments?

You should have just muted them and kept playing. You can never be punished for not arguing.

When you argue, you make the situation worse. If you mute, what are they gonna do? Don't put yourself on their level by threathening reports.

Also 4 man premades have no more power than a solo. A single report is all it takes, and multiple reports have no further effects. You aren't more likely to be banned because 9 people reported you as opposed to a single person reporting you.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

Well, I suppose muting them is the only way. But i bet people get banned for not communicating as well. You are stuck with communicating and then getting called toxic for arguing or you don't communicate and you get reported for not aiding your team or ruining others' games. What is really being a good league player? I believe there is a very thin silver lining here.

I did have two bans prior to this one as I mentioned in the end of my statements. But, I believe i do not deserve any kind of ban based on this behavior. Ofcourse, this is my own personal opinion and I am sure that no action will be taken on the others involved in these games as well.

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

But i bet people get banned for not communicating as well.

you made that up by yourself now. This was never and will never be a punishable move.

RallerenP3 votes

But i bet people get banned for not communicating as well.

Nope. No one has ever gotten banned for not saying anything.

You are stuck with communicating and then getting called toxic for arguing or you don't communicate and you get reported for not aiding your team or ruining others' games.

No you arent. By that logic all games are toxic. Either you get reported for being toxic, or you get reported for not communicating?

Also, a report is useless if the recieve have done nothing wrong.

I did have two bans prior to this one as I mentioned in the end of my statements.

Then you were warned. And you kept being toxic despite the warning.

and I am sure that no action will be taken on the others involved in these games as well.

On the surface the system might seem inconsistent, but I am confident that it is fair. You've already been punished, you've proven that this isn't just a 1-off game. As long as I don't know all the variables I can't comment on if they deserve to be punished.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

Toxicity and criticism are not the same thing. That is what you seem to be implying. If I tell someone that they are not performing at a satisfactory level and need to up their game, I do not see how that is toxic. Further more, you are also implying that I am not allowed to argue. Since when did toxicity become the same thing as arguing? I would define toxicity as something that is much more provocative.

Based on the league banning system, it seems to be that I am not allowed to express my anger(understandable), criticize anyone(not even constructively apparently), argue with anyone(what happened to free speech, oh wait it doesn't exist) or state facts. Why not give a chat restriction instead? That would solve all the issues ever. You implied that NOT COMMUNICATING would not be an issue. A chat restriction would basically prevent me to do what I mentioned earlier.

Every game I play, there is at least one person talking shit. If he isn't, there will be one who will if provoked. Negative behavior cannot be eradicated this way. However, chat restrictions and other different kind of punishments would have a better effect.

Having the same punishment for a multitude of different magnitudes of unacceptable behavior or actions does not seem the best way to deal with the situation, because if you did, you wouldn't be meeting toxic people now or in the future(People are aware of the banning system). Assuming you say that it takes longer to flush out all the toxic people in LOL, I can say with utmost certainty that it will not be possible to achieve that.

Sirrkas1 votes

Arguing is not necessarily toxic, but your chatlog ist.

Sl3nd3rMan 65: apparently Sl3nd3rMan 65: Telling facts Sl3nd3rMan 65: is called being toxic

When you use your "facts" to blame others, yes, it is considered to be toxic.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

Please tell me where in this context, did i actually blame them? They called me toxic as I mentioned to my team that our ADC did not do well. I do not see how I blamed her.

You can imply that, it was my intent to do that, and even if that was true, when did holding someone's actions responsible become a factor of toxicity? If in an accident, a driver runs the red light and hits a car, is it toxic to hold the driver responsible?

I can even go as far as to say, I was not even blatantly blaming her. I was merely mentioning where she was lacking and that goes back to constructive criticism.

Sirrkas1 votes

Then you just could have used 1 or 2 messages to get the jinx to focus more on farming.

Instead you wrote this:

Sl3nd3rMan 65: team so weak Sl3nd3rMan 65: bot Sl3nd3rMan 65: what is ur farm Sl3nd3rMan 65: get last hits Sl3nd3rMan 65: even i have more farm thanu Sl3nd3rMan 65: idk what ur doing Sl3nd3rMan 65: jinx u Sl3nd3rMan 65: im talking to u Sl3nd3rMan 65: jinx there are 3 levels between u and enemy team adc Sl3nd3rMan 65: nah im free to speak Sl3nd3rMan 65: i dont need ur permission Sl3nd3rMan 65: even nami has higher levle than u Sl3nd3rMan 65: i have almost same cs as u Sl3nd3rMan 65: im not being toxic Sl3nd3rMan 65: im telling jinx that she has low cs Sl3nd3rMan 65: apparently Sl3nd3rMan 65: Telling facts Sl3nd3rMan 65: is called being toxic

Constantly telling your ADC the farm is to low, is blaming.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

Assuming that it is blaming, I shall repeat myself.

You can imply that, it was my intent to do that, and even if that was true, when did holding someone's actions responsible become a factor of toxicity? If in an accident, a driver runs the red light and hits a car, is it toxic to hold the driver responsible?

Clearly not, but assuming it is toxic to hold a driver responsible in real life for an accident he committed, it should be even less toxic to hold someone responsible in a GAME.

I can even go as far as to say, I was not even blatantly blaming her. I was merely mentioning where she was lacking and that goes back to constructive criticism.

Sirrkas1 votes

You told her at least 7 times, she is lacking in power, by having few cs and lower level.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

I am curious to how you got 7 from this. I see it as me mentioning it to her and to my teammates.

Sirrkas1 votes

Sl3nd3rMan 65: what is ur farm Sl3nd3rMan 65: get last hits Sl3nd3rMan 65: even i have more farm thanu Sl3nd3rMan 65: jinx there are 3 levels between u and enemy team adc Sl3nd3rMan 65: even nami has higher levle than u Sl3nd3rMan 65: i have almost same cs as u Sl3nd3rMan 65: im telling jinx that she has low cs

All about her CS and Level.

Jorencice3 votes

Bro... That analogy is terrible.

Running a redlight isn't an accident. It's reckless behavior because every driver knows red lights exist and should be watching out for them.

Being bad as CSing isn't reckless behavior. It's simply being bad at CS.

A better analogy would be repeatedly yelling at a waitress for dropping plates all the time because she's clumsy.

Should she work harder to better her self. Of course. But should she repeadly be belittled for it. Hell no.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

If that is the analogy you are using, then wouldn't the boss yell at her and ask her to perform better at her job? I wasn't even yelling, i was only stating where she was weak so she would understand and improve. I am not as horrible as that boss.

Sirrkas2 votes

You are not her boss. But you behaved like you would be her boss and did just, what you said, would be horrible.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

As a teammate and someone who generally cares for others, I believe I have the responsibility to point out facts and try to help others improve. It is not always going to be how you talk to a kid, but definitely does not count as verbal abuse.

Jorencice1 votes

Yes. (Should she work harder to better her self. Of course.)

Once.

Saying "hey jinx don't poke so much work on your farm" ONCE is okay.

Saying it 9 times is just harrassment.

ModUlanopo4 votes

Nope. No one has ever gotten banned for not saying anything.

This is correct.

Poske1 votes

Do you understand how stupid and false that is XD

So i can buy 6 tears run it down mid and i wont get banned if i say nothing XD

Yes of course i would get banned for that.

But lets say I dont troll build to make it less obvious but still run it down mid

Or even worse You can have a player who doesnt troll build (over certain edge) doesnt directly run it down mid but still Ints a game.. Nothing happens to those people

ModUlanopo3 votes

You're deliberately misrepresenting what I said. No one has ever been punished for "Failure to Communicate."

Trolling and griefing remain bannable offenses, as always.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

That is technically what happened to me though. I was Four Man reported because I did not comply with their desires. That is considered Failure to Communicate in Riot's eyes because majority wins. The greater number dictates the roles of the minority.

Jorencice2 votes

Im really surprised no one's brought it up yet.

But 4 reports don't matter.

Hell receiving 9 reports is the same as receiving 1.

All it does is flag your game to be viewed by the automated system.

They changed that like 2 years ago.

Poske1 votes

Insert X doubt meme

Thats what they want us to think

Jorencice1 votes

Kek. If you dont believe what the officials of the game say you might as well not even be playing.

What would be the point of lieing about that anyway?

If their system counted all the reports against you they would lose NOTHING BY telling you that's how it worked.

Except they have flat out said it only counts 1 vote. They made that change when dynamic que came out for exactly the reason were talking about now. So 4 ques couldn't bully the odd man out.

Poske1 votes

Its not in their interest to tell the truth

Thinking that 5 reports count as 1 discourages premade from report spamming...

Jorencice1 votes

What... How would stopping report spamming do anything?

It's an automated system that reviews it. Pretty sure the extra 0.00000001 seconds it takes the system to review the other 3 reports isn't going to mess anything up.

Therefore there's literally no reasons for them to lie.

At least flat earthers excuse of "Satan" isnt as crazy as yours of "just cause"

Poske1 votes

Have you ever been bannned? I have... 10 times by now and a last time it was like 3 months ago

I can tell how bans work from experience...

Yes when Riot introduced whole 1 report counts/matters value the League did become stricter In the same Patch they decided to quallify report spammers.. (Not the best idea)

** there are people who report after every single loss** and their reports matter since last changes

But I assure you multiple reports are valued higher then 1

Now clearly they benefit from not telling us

Because being matched with 4 premades would be scarry otherwise and Riot wouldnt allow such an experience of course they probably have a slighly lower value if someone is reported by each multiple premade..

Now I can tell that much

If you want to flame someone be creative and specific. Because system tracks common words like cancer, hope your family dies etc..

I know very well how system works and it is has its flaws

Jorencice2 votes

You 100% DO NOT know how the system works.

Unless you work at riot you can't just go "well my personal anecdotal evidence shows I know more than riot does"

Thats not how the world works. You can't just decide someone is lieing because it better suits your narritive.

Not to mention what does it matter if they qualified report spammers?

LITERALLY 100% ALL REPORTS DO IS FLAG THE GAME TO BE REVIEWED.

If you aren't a toxic asshole then the automated system won't find anything to punish. It's really that simple.

I have probly 5k-6k games played and I've never even received a chat restriction.

All from 1 simple to follow rule. I TREAT OTHER PEOPLE WITH FUCKING RESPECT. Yes even people who intentionnaly throw games. It isn't worth it to rage at them because it changes nothing and helps no one.

And of course the system has flaws. Literally every system in existence has flaws as they were created by beings with flaws...

Poske1 votes

It does matter if they quallify report spammers. There are people who report every fking game if they lose regardless of innocence.

I got banned eventhough yeah I was toxic but my toxicity level was suddendly overbearing due to spammers reports counting

And If you are just casualy talking about cancer or saying words like f U ck when you fk up you can easly get into system and get banned

FK if you use Word PUTA which means multiply in my language but slut in some others you can easly get banned by false reports. Specially because single report does matter but trust me this doesnt mean multiple reports dont matter more. It probably doesnt work ADDITIVLY and is reduced by premades YES..

You see Perfectionists are ussualy extremly predictable. I madlifed (thresh q) bunch of challengers while I cant do anything to read a bronze player because he doesnt know what he is playing

Riot would strive to create a perfect system. every rioter would agree with the rules I mentioned it easy to think it the way it is specially from experience of being banned and receiving "thx for being example in comunity a ban against toxic player has been issued etc"..

Yes I never saw code myself. I did however read Rito Logic since season2 maybe season 3

But here are ban system Issues

  1. You can still flame people you just have to be creative (Granted 0.000000000001 know this / bother to abuse it people who flame are ussualy not creative)

  2. People who report every fking game Obviously have no morals and their reports shouldnt matter ever

  3. Its impossible to track intentional feeding

That malphite was intentional feeder he masked it really well. But he did say I DONT care anymore at like minute 7 after he died to twitch jungle while not running TP. 2 allies in my team mentioned malphite without TP wtf...

Maybe he inted for one of his allies due to previous games He decided to be uncaryable on purpose. You dont go ap malphite while wanting to win

You dont try to play a kill lane against FKING RENEKTON...

  1. You were never banned You know nothing JOHN SNOW

I can assure you multiple reports flag the game harder

None of my bans was caused by 1 report in 1 game INB4 ok 3 REPORTS OVER 3 GAMES.. NO JUST NO.

no pretty much all of my bans were caused by multiple reports in multiple games..

Single report does mean something yeah but you are overating ita

Term x9 is used for a reason. People know that if player gets bunch of reports in 1 game he ll get punished. Heck I CAN TELL FROM NOTIFICATIONS riot gives me

Thx for keeping the game toxic free etc player was punished

ModUlanopo1 votes

That's not what happened to you. Put in a support ticket.

DrCyanide2 votes

Sl3nd3rMan 65: ill report u for false report Sl3nd3rMan 65: lets see who gets banned

Well, I guess we found out.

Zëd Lęppelin1 votes

that first game doesn't look too bad and you seem like the victim. However that second game.... jesus fuck am I glad you're banned not because of what you said but how you don't realise why thats wrong.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

I never said what i did was not wrong, but i do not deserve a ban for that. You are basically saying any kind of mistake receives a ban. A person of the highest crime receives the same punishment as a person with a much lower crime. That is what I do not agree with. Well anyway, you probably do not agree with me.

Sirrkas1 votes

You said you did something wrong. I guess that means, you consider a CR would be fitting for your case. You allready got banned. You continued to misbehave.

2 weekban + another reason for a punishment = permaban

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

What's CR?

Sirrkas1 votes

With that I mean Chat restrictions. The penalty, where you are limited to something about a few messages every few minutes.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

Yes I do consider CR to be a fitting action, even if it completely prevents me to type anything at all. But that was never taken against me. This ban does not achieve anything but give people who are looking to have fun, false comfort.

Sirrkas1 votes

No. A CR prevents you from writing much. You start with 3 messages, get more, depending on how much time passed, can stack up to 5 and use them. It doesn't prevent you from writing at all, but from writing a lot.

Also, if you allready had a 2 weekban for your chat, the next punishment is the permaban. Even if you just wrote some really minor stuff, that normaly would just cause a CR.

Fargo792 votes

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I never said what i did was not wrong, but i do not deserve a ban for that. You are basically saying any kind of mistake receives a ban. A person of the highest crime receives the same punishment as a person with a much lower crime. That is what I do not agree with. Well anyway, you probably do not agree with me.

for u to receive a perma ban u had to have done this more then just the 2 games listed.. in game 2 did they tell u to stfu and play?? or let me play my game?? u constantly going after people like this is a form of verbal abuse.. the fact that u cant see that says u should be banned... you are right u r free to talk and dont need someones permission however what u say is on u.. and it looks like u have felt the consequences of that... enjoy building up that smurf account...

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

The purpose of the league banning system is to clear the community off toxic people and that is exactly what it is NOT doing. A chat restriction would have a better effect of achieving that, in my opinion.

A ban, while it does hurt me, does not really achieve that purpose. All this ban does to me in terms of my relations with RIOT is to simply not spend any money on skins (not that I did spend much in my account) and instead use the reward system to achieve that. Anyway, that just makes my spending more sensical.

Ofcourse, as a person, I would try my best to avoid speech as a whole based on your comments, since everything can be regarded as toxic, even sarcasm, like how you utilized that in your response.

Clearly you see toxicity as something much more closer to basic speech than what I do. Regardless, I do not have much choice here but to accept this decision.

P.S I mentioned that I have the permission to speak because he told me to stfu. Now, was I toxic or was he? Is stating my own right toxic rather than him being rude to me?

Sirrkas1 votes

You allready had 2 bans according to your posts. You are far beyond the point, where CRs were supposed to achieve something on your behaviour. You showed, you don't care about the punishment, you get a perma.

P.S I mentioned that I have the permission to speak because he told me to stfu. Now, was I toxic or was he? Is stating my own right toxic rather than him being rude to me?

Most likely, both of you were. There is not necessarily one of you the good guy and the other the bad guy. Both of you can be the bad guys in this case. I also don't see, where anyone here claimed, that line itself was toxic.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

Firstly, I believe that you are mistaken. A permanent chat restriction would not allow me to express any kind of toxic behavior in League of Legends. Isn't this technically what Riot is trying to achieve?

If there was a permanent chat restriction, I would not be able to express my "toxic" behavior at all. I would be fine with that, but that does not exist.

Now, assuming that this happened to any other person, I can assume that this banning system would simply make that person more frustrated. I doubt it would actually make him turn over a new leaf.

As for myself, I would obviously try to avoid communication with humans, as it seems that I have done a major crime in your perspective.

From your last statement, are you implying that me, mentioning that I have the permission to speak, makes me a bad guy? That just cracked me up, sorry.

Sirrkas1 votes

Firstly, I believe that you are mistaken. A permanent chat restriction would not allow me to express any kind of toxic behavior in League of Legends. Isn't this technically what Riot is trying to achieve?

No. There is no permanent chat restriction. Partly because restrictions just restrict it, not disable your chat. Also between the new punishments and the tribunal was a phase with chat restrictions stacking up to multiple hundreds and thousands. People simply didn't care about it.

Riot is trying to make you change your behaviour, but if you don't listen, they don't want you as customer anymore.

As for myself, I would obviously try to avoid communication with humans, as it seems that I have done a major crime in your perspective.

I never said that. You were toxic, just a bit but still. You got your 2 weekban, you still misbehaved. That just ends up as permaban in the system. Regardles of what I, you or any random player thinks about that.

From your last statement, are you implying that me, mentioning that I have the permission to speak, makes me a bad guy? That just cracked me up, sorry.

I allready that, nobody ever said, that line itself was toxic.

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

Well i know there isn't one, but I am saying there should be. It would be more effective than the current banning system. If you tell me that the current system is effective, I wouldn't be able to stop laughing. Cause.. well.. it's funny you know.

Anyhow, Riot's attempts are ending in failure. I consider myself a sane normal person with perhaps a short temper. Nevertheless my effort to not speak any worse or be any more toxic is not recognized anywhere. On top of that, I do not think Riot's secret mission is to change personalities of its customers for the better.

The real question is: Does Riot want all their customers to be PERFECT IDEAL INDIVIDUALS or does Riot just want NO ACTIONS THAT IMPACT OR RUIN GAMES OF OTHERS? Assuming you say its the latter, a simple chat restriction would suffice for the toxic part of the reporting system. By CR, i do not mean the existing partial one but a permanent one which does not let you type anything.

I do not agree with you that I am even close to a bad guy for being honest or blatant about it. Anyway, that is just my opinion and it is not surprising that you have a different one.

General Esdeath 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sl3nd3rMan 65,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EAaAeWnM,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-08-29T07:47:29.262+0000)

Sl3nd3rMan 65: then ud have to learn english first

ud

lol

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

I was referring to his understanding of vocabulary. Since, only my perspective is written here, you would not understand what I was referring to. Besides, it is not that I do not know my spelling but rather that I choose to write it in short form to reduce the time spent on typing.

Below is an example:

i was refferin 2 his vocab. Since onli my perspective is written here, u wud not understand wot i was refferin to. Besides, it is not dat i do not know my spellin but i choose 2 write short form 2 reduce tym spent on typin.

From this, can you really infer that I don't know my spellings? I will leave it to you to ponder about that.

General Esdeath 1 votes

the irony

Sl3nd3rMan 651 votes

Well, I do think I made my point pretty clear, but I don't see it worth my time explaining to you. Take care.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Nothing to explain, especially if you don't understand irony :^)

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