No way to defend yourself from a ban

C9 Bic Boi·Nov 19, 2018·3 votes·1,392 views

Me and my roommate both received a 14 day ban this season. Mine was for being toxic and his was for mmr boosting. Lets start with me, my account was hacked and someone went on to say offensive things which got me ban. I could prove that i wasnt even in the state at the time of the ban. I know they can see the ip address from where the guy was. I can prove i wasnt playing but all they tell me is oh nope our system shows it was you. HOW can it show it was me you cant see who is actually playing. Its bs that you arent given any chance to defend yourself because as soon as your ban thats it you get no say you get no voice you get nothing because they just click the ban for your account and on to the next one. They dont care at all about you. Someone that has been playing for well over 5 years just random wants to start being toxic doesnt make sense. this was also the first time anything has happened to my account in all those years of playing. Next my buddy received a 14 day ban for mmr boosting. They stated he was banned because he was playing too well. To me that seems like a good thing because it shows he is improving. Again they banned him and gave him no chance to defend himself. I know for a fact he wasnt getting boosted because he plays right next to me. I always have almost all our games on stream. its total bs that neither one of us can do anything at all. Riot thinks they are always right but in reality their system is broken and targeting good people. I have a friend who sole purpose is to be as toxic as possible and three years later on this account he still isnt banned. So tell me why people who have played this game for years with no problems get a pretty harsh punishment for things they didnt even commit.

12 Comments

rujitraNov 19, 201810 votes

They can see who's playing alright. The amount of biometric markers that can be gathered (such as keypresses, mouse clicks, movements, etc) are even more accurate than a fingerprint at telling who was playing in a game.

Maybe you and your "friend" should accept responsibility for your actions instead of complaining.

C9 Bic BoiNov 19, 20182 votes

yeah i know so tell me how he got ban because they even told him they think someone came over to our house to play on his account because it didnt show he played anywhere else then at that on ip address

rujitraNov 19, 20185 votes

I said absolutely nothing about IP addresses.

Again, they can see if a different player is playing by their unique keystrokes, mouse movements, etc.

Bent PixelsNov 19, 20186 votes

Account sharing bannable too. Even if you accidentally "left your laptop on and someone got onto your account," it's still your responsibility to ensure that your account is secure.

VreivaiNov 19, 20182 votes

That's simply not true that those are more accurate than a fingerprint. I have no idea where you're getting that from. There is no algorithm in existence that can identify someone off of that information alone more accurately than a fingerprint.

The reason the OP's ban appeal was denied is that, even if he was hacked, Riot considers you responsible for all activity on your account, and will not remove bans or chat restrictions even if they can establish that is what happened.

And OP's title is rather accurate, even if it doesn't necessarily apply to his case. Riot generally appears to not consider appeals, even in the case of obvious false positives.

And if Riot does indeed use those metrics to determine who's playing an account, I fuckin hope I never have to replace my mouse or keyboard.

rujitraNov 19, 20185 votes

You're actually kidding right?

It's not the device you use, it's how you use it.

And btw, fingerprints have been indecisive in many, many cases irl.

VreivaiNov 19, 20182 votes

Yes, it is how you use it, I get that.

And if the mouse is in a different shape, or has a different weight, or has more resistance to being moved, that will affect how I use it. Similar thing with a keyboard. Shape and position of the keys will affect such an system's measurement of how I use it.

And no, I'm not kidding. Such a system would not be able to consistently and accurately identify someone from that information alone. It may be able to assist in identifying someone in combination with other information, but, both because, contrary to popular belief, artificial intelligence is highly flawed, and because those values for a person can change based on their mental state, temperature of their hands and equipment being used, among other variables, such a system would be flooded with false positives.

rujitraNov 19, 20182 votes

Sigh.

I really don't have the desire to explain computer forensics to you. It's not you. It's my lack of time.

I will tell you that computer/data forensics is trusted by courts just as much, if not more so, than physical forensics.

VreivaiNov 19, 20182 votes

What you described isn't computer forensics. It's not even close to computer forensics.

VreivaiNov 19, 20182 votes

I want to pose one hypothetical.

Say I buy a new mouse, get a new desk and a new mouse pad. The mouse pad is much larger, and there's more space on my desk to move my mouse. So I drop my sensitivity down greatly, and now have to make much larger movements with my mouse. This would be a dramatic change for me in some of those markers you referenced, but it would still be me playing. So what you're telling me is that despite this, the system would still recognize it as me playing, and not someone else?

rujitraNov 19, 20182 votes

Well, to begin with, it wouldn't make the determination based on the large movements of your mouse. League can only track what inputs it receives from your computer, not how those inputs are made.

But yes, it would still recognize as you. Especially given it wouldn't take one data point or even a couple and override the other 100s which would still be the same.