Is perma banning even a successful solution to reform toxic players?

EdgyPeanutbutter·Sep 18, 2018·5 votes·2,636 views

I just got permabanned for calling someone who was being a complete asshole, an asshole. I mean yeah whatever i should have just muted chat once i finished my 14 day, but i didnt. Two of my teammates were being toxic and flaming so i joined in on the fun. i made sure not to be offensive... until i said asshole lol. well thats all it took, years of playing this game, 40$ down the drain in skins. im just gonna make another account and be toxic at will, i have nothing to lose at this point. Does riot do this in hopes of players spending more money on their shit game? The only behavior from here on out wont be kind and friendly, if thats what they expected, theyre less intelligent than i thought.

14 Comments

zPOOPzSep 18, 20186 votes

14-day is an attempt to reform player. Perma ban is to tell the player to GTFO, not an attempt to reform (because you can no longer play that account at this point).

i have nothing to lose at this point

TIME. You lose time... If you want to piss your life away throwing a tantrum. Go for it.

No flash no lifeSep 18, 20181 votes

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Perma ban is to tell the player to GTFO, not an attempt to reform

^ Pretty much.

If you're banned, it simply means you're not welcome in this community. No, riot doesn't encourage coming back with new account, they simply suggest that to banned players because that's a well-known option and they can't stop anyone from doing that.

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I just got permabanned for calling someone who was being a complete asshole, an asshole.

Is that asshole welcome in this community? Certainly not. Is it okay to call that asshole an asshole? Hell no. Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right, and that is not right. You can report him, but you can't act in any way against the terms you have agreed to, and using that kind of insulting word (even if it perfectly fits what he's doing) is not tolerated.

R107 GamesSep 19, 20182 votes

Is that asshole welcome in this community? Certainly not. Is it okay to call that asshole an asshole? Hell no. Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right, and that is not right. You can report him, but you can't act in any way against the terms you have agreed to, and using that kind of insulting word (even if it perfectly fits what he's doing) is not tolerated.

People call "toxic" players assholes all the time on this board,but its not punished

EdgyPeanutbutterSep 18, 20181 votes

lose time? im already playing again. the only thing ive lost is my skins

JamareeSep 18, 20182 votes

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lose time? im already playing again. the only thing ive lost is my skins

Exactly, that is more then enough to keep most from returning.

They have tried plenty of other methods instead of permabans, got any better ideas?

CrazFight Sep 18, 20186 votes

Perma Banning you is riots way of saying , we give up trying to reform you, fuck off now.

EdgyPeanutbutterSep 18, 20181 votes

but im already playing again

ModWulf HelhammerSep 18, 20183 votes

Riot can't stop permabanned players from making new accounts. They're free after all.

They do watch lower levels for toxicity much more closely though, to make sure that banned players don't ruin experiences for new players.

PandeonorSep 18, 20182 votes

If toxic players can´t be reformed [you had your chat restriction before too], they can´t be reformed. So there is no way for Riot to reach what maybe parents did not have reached in years before - nice behaviour of this guys.

So some of the perma-banned will not play again.

before > after

If the flamers come back and flame harder they will be thrown out faster.

But agreed. Had just some blind normals in low elo here. The players were "not really nice". And within only a bunch of matches were 3 times(!) one wich was running down midlane. Can not remember when I saw this before, surely not within last 500-1000 matches [or in other words: not this year]. And something like giving a hint about itemisation was claimed as toxic.

Maybe that are such guys. But within only a few levels and about 4 days I´ve got also 4 instant feedbacks that my reports ´d lead to a punishment.

It´s sad. The problem is that there is no better option.

R107 GamesSep 19, 20181 votes

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If toxic players can´t be reformed [you had your chat restriction before too], they can´t be reformed. So there is no way for Riot to reach what maybe parents did not have reached in years before - nice behaviour of this guys.

Implying parents have anything to do with people being toxic online,Yikes.welcome to the internet

PandeonorSep 19, 20181 votes

Behaviour is learned. Internet or not. ;)

But the subject is interesting. I guess there may be an evolution of parents also. ^^

Parents 1.0 may have had no connection with internet/computer and childrens. Typical sentences: "Don´t look too much into this computer. It´s not good for your eyes."
Parents 2.0 are "online" themselfes and use their smartphone often but don´t have connection to the world in wich their childrens live. Typical sentences: "Don´t go to sites wich contain viruses or sexual content, ok?"
For myself I would claim to be a parent 3.0. Typical sentences: "Come on. Not that loud. You have to learn to stay calm. And can you **** come botlane and gank this Draven?"

Ash LockheartSep 18, 20181 votes

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I just got permabanned for calling someone who was being a complete asshole, an asshole. I mean yeah whatever i should have just muted chat once i finished my 14 day, but i didnt. Two of my teammates were being toxic and flaming so i joined in on the fun. i made sure not to be offensive... until i said asshole lol. well thats all it took, years of playing this game, 40$ down the drain in skins. im just gonna make another account and be toxic at will, i have nothing to lose at this point. Does riot do this in hopes of players spending more money on their shit game? The only behavior from here on out wont be kind and friendly, if thats what they expected, theyre less intelligent than i thought.

Most players who get banned just make a new account and comeback. The lesson here is mute everyone when your match starts. The question is are you going to make another account and comeback?

EdgyPeanutbutterSep 18, 20181 votes

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Most players who get banned just make a new account and comeback. The lesson here is mute everyone when your match starts. The question is are you going to make another account and comeback?

im already playing again

PaintchipSep 19, 20181 votes

no it isn't

I actually go out of my way to ruin matches now. in the past I always tried to win, no matter what, but I'm human and someone threatened me and I swore at them.

Now I try to throw matches, soft int, soft afk...and if one thing I don't like happens I five up and want to ff at 15. so no, perma bans do not work.

EDIT: and now I also try to tilt people so I can get them banned.