My thoughts on how I think the ban system works based on my own study (Warning: Long Post)

lnfinity Gear··20 votes·8,166 views

First of all, I do not care for what anyone here think of me as I probably do not know any of you or wish to do so. The purpose of this post is to provide insight into what I have found to be true for me personally. Riot can either agree or disagree with my statements and/ or reply but that's up to them. With that being said, here we go.

Context: I've been playing this game since season 4 and over the the years I've noticed that toxicity have increased as well. Now this can be due to more people playing hence more toxic people but in my experience toxicity has increased at a much higher rate compared to playerbase. This includes both verbal and gameplay toxicity. I'm a very competitive and stubborn person by nature so therefore it's hard for me to not reply back to people flaming/ harassing/ trolling/ etc that hinders my chances of winning. This has obviously got me into trouble and got my first account banned after 3 years of playing so I wanted to find a solution to my problems. Being an accountant and analyst major, I decided to do some experimenting about how riot's system works and try to gauge how much toxicity is banworthy. Over the last 12 months I got my hands on 12 accounts(whose names I won't share obviously) through various means and did various tests. My focus was mainly on verbal toxicity because gameplay toxicity is way more subjective and have to take into alot more variables to come to an accurate result and I won't be addressing it. I personally do not troll/ int/ grief and find it worse than verbal toxicity.

I decided to test out a few different scenarios. Low/ mild flame/ harass, heavy flame/ harass, 0 tolerence words/ sentences and passive aggressiveness which are the most common reasons for getting hit by the banhammer.

I'm not going to provide complete data from my findings as its already hard to get exact numbers and privacy reasons but I will give estimates and probabilities.

Low/ mild flame: This includes this words and phrases such as fk you, you suck, bad player, boosted. Things that most people will find more of an annoyance than offense. This type of behavior won't get you in trouble unless you do it excessively (10-20+ lines every 2-3 games or something) Highest level of ban this behavior got was a permaban over the cours of 200+ games. You really need to be looking to get banned for this.

Heavy flame/ harass: Strong use of curse words, offensive name calling, personal/ direct insults(basically anything below the 0 tolerance line) This is the most interesting out of them all and what I had gotten banned for. Do it occasionally/ frequently and you will get banned. However, do it semi-frequently(like one game a week) and you won't get banned. This type of behavior is is pretty easy to detect and punish obviously but do it in small semi-frequent doses and you will sneak under the radar. Higest punishment was indeed a permaban as expected.

0 tolerence: I personally didn't play on these accounts as im not fked up enough to tell someone to end themselves but I heavily monitored the chatlogs of what was said. Things inclde sexism, racism, death threats, etc. 2 out of the 3 accounts used for this was permabanned but the interesting thing is how fast they got banned. Fastest ban was within 2 days from 0 punishment history. Another account got a 2 week suspension first before the permaban but however the last account is yet to be permabanned(higest was 2 weeks) after 200+ games of playing. The key here is not to repeat these words more than once per game and not say it again within at least a 10 game timeframe.

Passive - aggressiveness: This was the hardest to properly analyze as it it the most subjective and highly dependent on the individuals/ groups being directed towards. Examples: lol jg can't smite, why did u not ward/ gank/ etc and haha so bad. This for the most part won't get you banned but like the 1st topic do it excessively and you will get banned.

General Conclusion from all of this:

  • Frequecny matters more than severity. How often you say things and much of it matter more than what you say. Type less and play more. You'll be fine if you let loose occasionally but make it a habit or write novels everytime you do so and you'll get the banhammer.

  • Problems with report: Report basically adds some sort of a multiplier to your chatlog. Even if you aren't really toxic and only flame sometimes but get reported everytmne you do flame, it will count the same as a frequent flamer in terms of determining how likely you are to get banned. Another issue is people are more likely to report after a loss than they are to report after a win. So even if someone is toxic but managed to carry their team, they probably won't get reported that often.

  • 0 tolerance words aren't completely 0 tolerate contray to popular belief. You're way more likely to get the banhammer if people report you for them as I've explained above.

  • Lastly this is more so opinion based, rules will bend for you if you're good enough. You can get away with a lot more toxic/ unacceptable behavior if you're a Smurf / really good player that hard carries your team. In fact the 0 tolerance account that didn't get banned climbed from bronze to diamond and reached honor level 4 before getting 2week ban and is now already honor 3 this season. This was accomplished by only typing no tolerance words and some occasional strategy aspects.

**If you do read until this point, alot of you will be wondering, why do all of this? ** Well there is no simple answer to that. I like studying systems and finding loopholes/ patterns. I'm also quite fond of studying body language/ behaviors/ psychology. And lastly I realized I was having a problem in trying to fit in within this game the way I wanted to and I also didn't want to stop playing either. So, I wanted to find a middle ground for myself. All these factors combined gave me the perfect opportunity to do something that not only fits my interest but also my studies. Does what I did make me a hypocrite/ lunatic/ (inserted any otherr description here)? Maybe, but that's not what I'm here for nor will I care for what you think of me personally. I just wanted to share my findings about something that interested me and maybe Riot can even use this information to better their system.

Final thoughts This isn't some sort of an evil masterplan to enact vengeance upon riot. I do understand their system isn't perfect and probably never will be due to the nature of the problem it's trying to solve. This is merely something that I wanted to find out for myself cause of something directly related to me and so far it has been working with a 100% success rate(haven't gotten a single punishment on my real account) and wanted to share with the rest of the community. Im not trying to endorse more toxicity, even if that is what is might suggest. And if it does end up doing just that, then it gives riot even more incentive to improve their system which I think the majority of us will agree is a good thing. Or I can be completely wrong and this is completely uselss information. Either way if you got this far, thanks for reading and have a nice day!

22 Comments

HalcyonDweller5 votes

Are you aware of what some people are going to do when armed with the information you've provided here?

Bodabott4 votes

Make more people realize there is a mute option that only requires you to press Tab?

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Nope. Not at all what I'm referring to.

Drugoth1 votes

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9a6e533d24bdedf45cab96b05b892eb9-c

I swear you're like the Sheldon Cooper of the LoL boards sometimes lol.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

lol that's a good reference. I know that I'm notorious for not understanding sarcasm. Sorry I missed the joke amigo.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Also I'm not the one who downvoted you. Just to be clear.

Drugoth1 votes

Meh, upvote, downvote it's all just meaningless to me.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I respect that, I was just being transparent about my own actions. Don't want people to get the wrong idea.

StpTlkinAnBndOvr4 votes

Its how many report you during the game. Not frequency or severity. I said retarded in ONE game and got chat restricted cause i was in a 4 man sheep club ( yes all you club people are sheep ). The chat ban sited one game, one word and riots team backed it up when i sent in a ticket. Saying being a retard one time in one match is bannable. Oh btw riot. that goes to show how fucking bad your system is. I have more examples but....not worth my time.

dKiWi2 votes

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Its how many report you during the game. Not frequency or severity. I said retarded in ONE game and got chat restricted cause i was in a 4 man sheep club ( yes all you club people are sheep ). The chat ban sited one game, one word and riots team backed it up when i sent in a ticket. Saying being a retard one time in one match is bannable. Oh btw riot. that goes to show how fucking bad your system is. I have more examples but....not worth my time.

Apparently, rude=toxic now

gj riot

HalcyonDweller2 votes

That's wrong. Number of reports in a game does not affect likelihood or severity of punishment. The report system is decoupled from the punishment system. There's a hand-off after someone has been reported where they get passed to the punishment system for an independent review (meaning that the report system has no bearing on the outcome of the review).

StpTlkinAnBndOvr1 votes

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That's wrong. Number of reports in a game does not affect likelihood or severity of punishment. The report system is decoupled from the punishment system. There's a hand-off after someone has been reported where they get passed to the punishment system for an independent review (meaning that the report system has no bearing on the outcome of the review).

you dont know what youre talking about. Unless ure using hard ban words like racism and even then, its WHo and how many.

dKiWi1 votes

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you dont know what youre talking about. Unless ure using hard ban words like racism and even then, its WHo and how many.

nope from what I can tell using words like "noob", "nub" and being mildly passive aggressive are sufficient to get you punished especially when the number of reports against you are high. racism and hate speech will lead to immediate 14 day ban, but being rude can get you punished.

I find it really incredulous but due to League's immense player base and success, I suppose Riot is trying to strong arm their way around at the beginning and possibly be more lenient in the future. Ever since the announcement of the colab with Blizzard things have been going haywire

I mean most parents don't lock up their children for being rude to put things in perspective!!

Xivilai Anaxes3 votes

You're the one with literally no clue what you're talking about.

Riot's said it repeatedly that the system scans your game if one person reports you and multiple reports add nothing.

StpTlkinAnBndOvr1 votes

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You're the one with literally no clue what you're talking about.

Riot's said it repeatedly that the system scans your game if one person reports you and multiple reports add nothing.

I couldnt care less what riot says. From 5+ years of playing thats how it REALLY works. It doesnt go to a riot person unless it meets a certain number amount of reports and 5 is my guess in a game.

Riot tells you a lot of shit thats either meaningless or flat out untrue. Remember the whole "permaban" on tyler1. Guess whos unbanned. look at the bs going on with Cowsep. Hey maybe ask why you said "Riot's" like *is" was going to be after it somehow.

dKiWi3 votes

Yes I find the system extremely unfair for junglers who take the blame for everything including the death of the toplaner's parrot. The multiplier should be tweaked down for jungle mains otherwise be based on investigation rather than norms and culture of the server.

Exanterith2 votes

I feel you man. Jungle main, I've been chat restricted twice for simply asking teammates not to walk into turrets (after the 5th time in a row out of fountain) because the game was extremely winnable and the rest of your team is fed and carrying. GG, level 0 honor. I haven't gotten a key fragment in months despite getting 1-3 honor per game, making game winning calls, and having a 65% winrate on my mains.

Also, I have NEVER, EVER directly insulted anyone. Ever. 5+ years of League.

dKiWi1 votes

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I feel you man. Jungle main, I've been chat restricted twice for simply asking teammates not to walk into turrets (after the 5th time in a row out of fountain) because the game was extremely winnable and the rest of your team is fed and carrying. GG, level 0 honor. I haven't gotten a key fragment in months despite getting 1-3 honor per game, making game winning calls, and having a 65% winrate on my mains.

Also, I have NEVER, EVER directly insulted anyone. Ever. 5+ years of League.

Yes EXACTLY and since there are much lesser jungle mains compared to other roles I am very sure those downvoting me are laners.

I am not simply whining and just being objective but I understand the system is supposed to take into account subjective inferences. I fully support investigation on the occurrence of a single report, but automating the escalation of punishment based on number of reports (if true) against a player is really unfair especially since everyone tends to take turns to shit on the jungler (much more common in asian regions). I mean, it doesnt happen all the time but is much more likely to happen compared to blaming laners.

myru polister12 votes

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Drugoth1 votes

Wow, that's still going huh...

PookíeChips2 votes

Oh thanks I know how I can flame someone properly now Kappa

fatherdarius1 votes

RIOT, hire this person.

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