You're toxic, and in denial then.
Prove that I'm toxic, then we'll talk about that.
and when they come here people should behave like Attysu or Djinn did in their responses.
The operating word here being "should" - not everyone will (there is one comment to the OP that's needlessly blunt), and, for the most part, there's no rules against being neutral or withholding sympathies.
Instead, we have people who don't even bother to reply with ANYTHING constructive, or just blatant flaming, or passive aggressive flaming like downvoting.
Yeah, there are some people who won't be constructive for one reason or another, but I seldom see people flaming.
As for downvoting being "passive-aggressive flaming"...No? It's a function of the boards, if people want to downvote something for whatever reason, they'll do so (I even outlined my reason for downvoting above), and in most cases, I sincerely doubt it'd be flaming.
Though, if downvoting is "flaming" and "toxic", then I guess I may be toxic...By your standards.
You can pretend it's not toxic all you want, but if someone making a joke like "you're more toxic than Hiroshima" is considered toxic, then downvoting someone, who obviously has an issue controlling their behavior(s) in-game, just because they post out of ignorance is definitely toxic.
- I agree, people making crude jokes like that is a dick move.
- Don't you mean Chernobyl instead of Hiroshima?
- Where does this point even come from? Because nobody in this post has made such a joke, and I feel like your point is coming out of left field for the most part.
- I'm 50/50 on whether I agree with the "issues controlling their behavior" part, but here's my stance: If they're only saying "I've learned the error of my ways please unban me" - I'd say folks are more than allowed to withhold their sympathies, as long as they remain respectful.
But, if they're looking for help with reforming, then honestly? Whoever can pitch in, should pitch in. And I've offered what small advice I could to a few people myself. Either way; whether it's people realizing too late or people trying to actively fight their tendencies, I agree that jokes about said player's toxicity aren't allowed.
As an aside; the two types of posts ("I've reformed please unban me" and "I'm working to reform, please give advice") tend to see vastly different upvotes/downvotes. People asking for help in reforming often get more upvotes (since the community generally agrees with people working to make a positive effort), while people asking to be unbanned tend to see more downvotes (since the community disagrees with people, in one way or another, not having paid heed to Riot's warnings and asking for a permanent ban to be overturned.)
Oh, and once again: Downvoting posts isn't toxic, and it's allowed. And unless you're like me where you openly state that you downvoted, nobody's going to really know if you did or you didn't.
We should be offering understanding and to help them in changing their ways/coping with the ridiculous toxicity in this community, if that's what they want...or even just politely letting them know that Riot doesn't typically overturn bans unless they were in error. Instead people just want to downvote, flame, tar and feather, and/or just shame them.
- I can understand anger, I deal with it myself, like everyone in the world does. What I can't understand is people not recognizing their account is at risk after any punishment has been issued.
- Agreed; if people want to better themselves, others should be ready and willing to help.
- Also agreed; although sometimes being polite is hard to do, I'm sure most people would agree that being polite and respectful is mandatory.
- Again; downvoting is allowed, it's a feature of the website. If it wasn't allowed, it wouldn't be a feature, now would it?
- And, also again; unfortunately, there will always be those bad eggs who can't/won't be constructive for one reason or another. I don't like them any more than you do.