Banned for Flame when all i did was give constructive criticism?

Vastayan Boss·Oct 26, 2016·1 votes·1,182 views

I have been chat restricted in the past. I have been deserving of those chat restrictions. But how can I be 14 day banned for flame and toxicity when the only proof the riot bot gives me is this? I really cant believe getting wrongly punished and losing out of the diamond season rewards I worked so hard to obtain throughout the season. these are the logs providing details of my "incessant flaming" Keep in mind, I was being flamed and called a troll becuase people had banned my pick in the first game, and because I played ashe support when i was autofilled, a pick that i have played quite a few times before in ranked because its my favorite thing to play in the support role. Thanks for your time anyone who reads this, Game 1 Zyket: took my mf Zyket: bully Zyket: :/ Zyket: that kled Zyket: no f kled Zyket: lul Zyket: salty Zyket: we die to a gank and you already crying at 5 mins Zyket: kled bot Zyket: mf f Zyket: lul Zyket: we dont have a jungler Zyket: i guess Zyket: if only Zyket: i didnt get autofilled Zyket: not plat Zyket: lol Zyket: mf op Zyket: dude Zyket: i picked ashe support Zyket: because riot troll system Zyket: for picking roles Zyket: plus Zyket: i dont even have right runes Zyket: cuz my client crashed Zyket: when i locked in Zyket: lol Zyket: vi actually doesnt want to win Zyket: i guess Zyket: that was Zyket: the freest double kill Zyket: of all time Zyket: we had Zyket: both their botlaners Zyket: at 100 hp Zyket: and they were on our tower Zyket: becuase you farmed scuttle crab Zyket: and then didnt come Zyket: lol Zyket: why queue jungle Zyket: if you wont gank Zyket: idk Zyket: i dont claim Zyket: to be a good botlaner Zyket: i never play botlane Zyket: ever Zyket: and no one has reacted and helped us out Zyket: gj Zyket: lol Zyket: lets just Zyket: let them take stuff Zyket: never need to defend ever Zyket: can you stop talking never gank vi Zyket: dude Zyket: im not an awful person Zyket: i may have played poorly Zyket: but you didnt help anyone Zyket: LOL Zyket: JUST Zyket: GO IN Zyket: when they are taking tower Zyket: and you are farming wolves Zyket: its like Zyket: dude Zyket: pls Zyket: if you want to win Zyket: then do somethign Zyket: instead of farm Zyket: we can tell you dont Zyket: or you would be trying lol Zyket: but you didnt want to help anyone Zyket: if our botlane Zyket: had even Zyket: a fraction Zyket: of as many ganks Zyket: as theirs did Zyket: we would have won this game Zyket: at 20 minutes Zyket: lol Zyket: she thinks im trolling Zyket: Get autofilled Zyket: play an off meta support Zyket: then get ganked Zyket: a ton Zyket: and then apparently im trolling lol Zyket: We got Zyket: ganked plenty Zyket: and you are probably the most snowbally botlane champs ever Zyket: kled congrats you ganked more Zyket: than our jungler Zyket: who thinks she is better than everyone in the world Zyket: yae jhin Zyket: dont even mind talking Zyket: she wont listen Zyket: jsut gonna call us bad people Zyket: and blame others instead of try to win Zyket: i mean Zyket: farming jungle Zyket: for 25 minutes Zyket: isnt really good Zyket: lol Zyket: sure dude Zyket: but i still know Zyket: that you arent jungling correctly Zyket: dude Zyket: you didnt have to Zyket: you chose to Zyket: lol Zyket: you are quite funny to talk to Zyket: dude is it not sending a message Zyket: if you were diamond 1 but you arent anymore Zyket: something is wrong with yourself Zyket: not your team Zyket: then get good and get back Zyket: instead of complaining lol Zyket: she didnt realize Zyket: that 2 100 hp bot laners Zyket: was an easy gank Zyket: lol Zyket: ggwp

Game 2 Zyket: im triggered all game btw Zyket: ty Zyket: k Zyket: lee f Zyket: nj Zyket: im just farming Zyket: becuase our last pick banned my champ Zyket: no on ever bans rumble Zyket: why should i have to pre pick? Zyket: and why would you ban rumble? Zyket: idk Zyket: why did you ban rumble Zyket: instead of syndra Zyket: lol Zyket: or jhin Zyket: or zyra Zyket: just like me dying mid because i lagged out Zyket: and you saying report Zyket: amirite? Zyket: hypocrisy Zyket: i really did Zyket: im streaming Zyket: it was in playback Zyket: you can watch it Zyket: if you dont believ eme Zyket: lol Zyket: you guys actually must want me to just dc or something Zyket: so i dont play with you Zyket: and you can lose Zyket: im on the verge if you guys cant quit being crybabies Zyket: iu did already Zyket: i said i dont play riven Zyket: lol Zyket: lol Zyket: sure Zyket: jayce Zyket: btw Zyket: if im trolling Zyket: thats pretty bad for you Zyket: considering i have the same score as you Zyket: with less death Zyket: lol Zyket: LOL Zyket: gg

24 Comments

eldurisOct 26, 20165 votes

I see more arguing with your team than constructive criticism.

Zyket: sure dude Zyket: but i still know Zyket: that you arent jungling correctly

Zyket: that was Zyket: the freest double kill Zyket: of all time Zyket: we had Zyket: both their botlaners Zyket: at 100 hp Zyket: and they were on our tower Zyket: becuase you farmed scuttle crab Zyket: and then didnt come Zyket: lol Zyket: why queue jungle Zyket: if you wont gank

This isn't very constructive at all. If you want to be constructive, try something like "next time, try coming from dragon pit since tri is warded." What you're doing is just pointing out people's mistakes in hindsight.

Vastayan BossOct 26, 20161 votes

How is that not constructive. Informing a guy that when he sees two low hp enemies on his tower and he is farming the river scuttle crab right nearby being an easy gank is constructive in all ways. Informing him that he could help us if he came and we could be winning the game from a decision that he refused to make and instead decided to call his teamates bad waste of space humans shouldnt be a thing that is bannable.

eldurisOct 26, 20165 votes

_You're not posting right. Why even bother coming here to post if you're just going to get downvoted? _

Does that sound very constructive to you? It's not. In no way is what I said constructive. All I'm doing is trying to shame you for something you didn't do. Or, didn't do according to my standards and the way I would do it. This is essentially the exact same you're saying to your teams.

If you want to be constructive, there are ways of doing that. I get that you were upset the jungler missed a good opportunity, but don't let your bad attitude come across in text. "That double kill was so free if our jungler would just gank for once xd" is a far cry from "Hey Vi, next time you get a chance, come bot. They're overextending." Do you see the difference?

Vastayan BossOct 27, 20161 votes

I didn't come here to get downvoted. I came here to get answers, which haven't been provided. I would contact riot support but Riot support is just as bad as the Instant feedback system itself. I have contacted riot support many times for many reasons and i always get the same robot responses. It would be no different here.

eldurisOct 27, 20163 votes

You've gotten your answers. You want to know why you got a two week ban? Because after two chat restrictions you continued to be negative and berate your teammates in game. That's why.

Just because you don't like the answers you get doesn't mean you aren't getting answers.

Vastayan BossOct 27, 20161 votes

Okay you are just as delusional as this system if you think this is "negative" in any means whatsoever. All I did was disagree with people. If you can't disagree with people in a video game that is as big as league I am scared for the future of this planet.

HexaDecimelOct 27, 20161 votes

I think its more delusional to constantly deflect blame while you receive punishments for your behavior. Ignoring and insulting players that are offering good advice and trying to answer your questions.

MagicFlyingLlamaOct 26, 20163 votes

Generic passive-aggressive noob rage, please control it.

Vastayan BossOct 26, 20161 votes

What about that is passive agressive. I only ever responded to the condescending flaming teamates. And my responses were never toxic. When someone tells me word for word "you suck and are a bad human being" and i respond "you would still be in diamond 1 if you played at a diamond 1 level, your teamates dont prevent you from doing well." that isnt passive agressive, that is me trying to help the guy see that he is in the wrong and can get back to his elo if he just stops focusing on blaming people.

AeroWaffleOct 26, 20164 votes

Here are some passive aggressive lines.

Zyket: we dont have a jungler Zyket: vi actually doesnt want to win Zyket: kled congrats you ganked more Zyket: than our jungler

And holy shit, you were criticizing Vi the entire game. Telling someone how to play is not constructive criticism at a certain point. Concentrate on your own play.

eldurisOct 26, 20162 votes

If you want actual constructive criticism, there are communities like Reddit's /r/summonerschool that have members who love watching VODs and giving feedback.

FurriesAreHotOct 26, 20162 votes

Something tells me you cut stuff out

Vastayan BossOct 26, 20161 votes

no go on my stream rn twitch.tv/zyket i will show you the log first hand

Desolas ArteriusOct 26, 20162 votes

Since you already received chat restrictions before the suspension, this is less about "is this suspension worthy?" and more about "Is this punishment worthy?"

Which, yes, it was worth being punished for since you did nothing but belittle your team and remain negative through both games you posted. Not to mention in the first game you spammed the chat with some pretty negative stuff and you weren't helpful to your team. Regardless of what they did, you didn't show any "constructive criticism" in the game. You are responsible for your own behavior, so flaming back like this will still get you reported and punished regardless of what your team was doing it. There are no "he started it" or "self-defense" claims when it comes to Instant Feedback system. You acted negatively towards your team, and that's what happened. Not because you played Ashe support.

Remember, you were already on thin ice regarding your account when it came to negative behavior due to prior restrictions, so getting enough successful reports will push you further through the punishment tiers Riot has set up before receiving a permanent ban. This is essentially your 3rd warning to change your behavior or you will risk losing your account forever.

I'm assuming you don't want to lose your account, especially if you've reached Diamond, right? So I would really recommend taking a break and perhaps taking a breather when playing. You don't have to constantly criticize everything your teammates are doing. No one likes it when others are breathing down their necks when they play. Focus on your own play and don't worry about the others. Only use chat to call out game related objectives, such as Baron, Dragon, Flash, etc. If your teammates do decide to flame at you, then simply report and move on. You don't need to fight back, you don't really need to say anything to them really. Just report after the game and move on to the next one. Chances are they'll get punished if they continue that behavior, but nothing will ever happen if you don't report and just fight back. If anything, it'll get you reported like it did now. So it's best to avoid that.

I hope that helps. Good luck.

Vastayan BossOct 26, 20161 votes

Two things. I don't understand how never using derogatory language or ever using chat to say anything but respond to a teamate claiming that their "trash teamates" hold them in their elo and they used to be good enough to play in diamond 1. All I ever did was tell the guy to stop crying about a lane that is down 2 kills becuase a jungler gank. BECAUSE that takes away form the ability to win the game. If i got in trouble for Trolling or Int feeding for having a bad game with an off meta champ i could fully understand. But that isnt what happened.

And secondly, this is why it doesn't make sense to run a system that "enforces the rito law" with a bot instead of the tribunal like it used to be. And there are 2 reasons why, If people saw how much i was flamed and saw how nicely i responded in context, this ban would make no sense and they would pardon it. I 100% believe that if i had an official person look through the past games otehr than like 3 normals i played with friends where i called them trolls as a joke where no one reported me because it was a joke. This ban wouldn't make sense with context. The chat restrictions, they would. But a 14 day ban for THIS? laughable at best.

Desolas ArteriusOct 26, 20162 votes

1: Because you did more than just "respond" to them. You argued with them, made remarks at Vi for "being a bad jungle", and in the second game you called your team "crybabies" and kept arguing about their bans. That's not helpful nor constructive criticism. All you did was talk about their mistakes and pin blame on them. Nothing you said was positive or helpful. You got in trouble for that because that is negative behavior. You don't have to cuss or use derogatory names to be considered toxic. You can still be toxic if all you do is type in game about how X is bad or type to argue. Everything you said wasn't needed outside of the small amount of gameplay you did talk about (Like Kled's Flash).

2: Tribunal was not as effective as you think. It was prone to false judgement and was plagued with IP farming of players just "banning" everyone to get that easy IP. The new system has reduced false punishments drastically and provides little room for error since the system filters through flagged games that are up for review. It's not just 100% automated just so you know. There are Riot support members combing through the games that are flagged for review. The system just helps reduce the amount of false flags, or handle easy to detect games, such as language.

Context doesn't matter since you are responsible for your own behavior. It doesn't matter if they were flaming you first, you do not flame back or stoop to their level of attitude unless you want to risk getting reported. Having a Rioter won't change the fact that you personally chose to act negatively.

You already received chat restrictions, and Riot warned you ahead of time that continue this behavior will result in harsher punishments until you reform. At this point, if you continue this behavior it will result in a permanent ban, and as I said before, I'm pretty sure you don't want to lose your account. So I would stop finding excuses if I were you and own up to your behavior. Riot wants you to reform, so they've given you 3 chances to do it. I would highly suggest trying to so you don't lose your account forever.

Vastayan BossOct 26, 20161 votes

Forgot to mention, the Vi i was talking to in the first thing i wasnt even able to report becuse i got banned before i had the chance to report her. After she flamed me and my botlane partner jhin/

Surr20plzOct 26, 20161 votes

What he said wasn't constructive but it isn't worthy of him losing his account.

OP just don't use the chat feature.

Vastayan BossOct 27, 20161 votes

Yeah im just gonna never talk at all or try and communicate becuase riot implemented cyber hitler robot edition to do their instant feedback system. Apparently i cant tell a guy what he could do better or tell my team that they are being crybabies for no reason without getting my season rewards stripped for laughable reasons.

EvilDustManOct 27, 20162 votes

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Yeah im just gonna never talk at all or try and communicate becuase riot implemented cyber hitler robot edition to do their instant feedback system. Apparently i cant tell a guy what he could do better or tell my team that they are being crybabies for no reason without getting my season rewards stripped for laughable reasons.

Whoop. Credibility out the window.

WonderlandsOct 27, 20161 votes

This is barely toxic. Ban not deserved D:

Timethief49Oct 27, 20161 votes

Well there go your ranked rewards

Vastayan BossOct 27, 20161 votes

For no reason too lol. I am not that mad about losing a shitty maokai skin. I am just mad that I have to wait 2 weeks to get back to improving for next season.