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Reconsidering the meaning of "FAIR"

grodruwmQ7··1 votes·1,083 views

So, a week ago, i was banned. Yes i said it, and you saw it right , i got banned for salt (i wont say toxic as never have i ever resorted to the use of verbally abusive words or gone on blood relations etc but my statements are more of debate style statements) and before any of you decide to flame me and say oh you deserved it etc etc i know i did, i do not deny it. So the day i got banned i immediately stuck to the support system and sent in a ticket for reconsideration of the ban as i did not think my comments were honestly that harsh in intensity (example of the comments being : 1. thanks for your words of wisdom but they are not helping right now....2. fizz needs to be balanced hes out of control....3. holy moly someone save me form this balance and this is legit the extent to which i have been salty except this one time against a kled that went on blood relations to the point that i had to put aside mannerism for a few minutes).

I was followed up with a support member that honestly handed me out with possibly the most automated message in this entire game and i know as i have seen others that have met up with the same member receive the same messages, and i mean exactly the same. Not satisfied, i continued to send tickets and so did my brother (the thing is my bro created this account and he is its owner but due to higher education he had to quit playing this game for 2 years and to keep it active he gave me its user and pass (and i got it banned hehe xD i suck as a brother i know and its the reason why he typed to the support staff to tell them that since he had no hand in this, he be given back the account). The same support member replied for the second time stating that as the owner the person is solely responsible for any activity on the account and that it was the account that was banned and not the player (funny isn't it because from my knowledge an account cannot type on its own so it has to be the player that was punished not the account). Honestly from there he just gave up on getting the account back but i kept on trying because his life became miserable in real life because of what i had done.

So i went on the internet to see if there was anyone else that had the same issue i.e knew that he/she was very lightly salty and had been given his/her account back and while searching for the above i found this link: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/689/805/983/riot-games-stop-permbanning-players-for-verbal-abuse/ which got me to type another ticket asking if this wasn't a better solution and honestly when you type long a** novel worthy paragraphs you expect more than just a 2 line statement that has nothing to do with what you ask for. So i stuck to the boards and with the info in the above link as the core of my post i typed in my views on the same. Still not satisfied with the replies i took to typing another ticket and honestly wrote the longest paragraph of my life of plain apology and it was so well written that i was proud of what had become of my English literary skills and would make even the most cold hearted or stone hearted or people to at least try to sort out your requests for which you have been literally begging for days. Honestly, i felt at that point (not to be rude) that the support member that was replying to my tickets was least bothered about actually trying to help me so i demanded for what Riot calls a "Player Behavior Specialist" but with no surprise i was replied to again by the same support member and honestly even i felt like was a waste of using internet data typing tickets when all you know you would get is a series of small 3-4 lined paragraphs with i'd say hardly 15% of content that actually is in context to what you asked for. This time however something struck me, in the reply i noticed the following lines :

"We appreciate the sentiment of wanting to reform, but to remain fair to all players in these situations we do not make exceptions to our permanently suspended rulings."

OKAY SO HOLD ON, YOU SAY YOU WANNA BE FAIR WELL LOOK AT THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PmK_muMlR4&t=81s

Where was the whole thought of being "FAIR" when this guy was unbanned ( he was banned for consistent verbal abuse reports too and i know some may think maybe he actually was not that toxic and so his ban was reconsidered but i can bet a thousand lives on the fact that i was not even 50% as salty as the guy in this video was except for the kled game i mentioned earlier and i got a myself a chat ban solely for that game.) Just in case you got lost somewhere here is a recap, "but to remain fair to all players in these situations we do not make exceptions to our permanently suspended rulings." WAIT WHAT....FAIR?? OH MY, DEAR LORD HELP US ALL FOR WE HAVE BEEN DOOMED TO THE GATES OF HELL. Oh and did i forget to tell you i got this message after my 5th ticket of apology:

"We have already explained the context for your suspension. We will not be removing the punishment and consider this matter closed." (Mr.________ closes the ticket on my face :D)

Sir, please if you are reading this, please tell us all, not just me, but anyone that is reading this, how you explained the context for my suspension, i mean unless of course saying "As this account had ruined the game experience for others we will have to remain firm in our stance against it. You can read more on this policy below " is called explaining the reason why the very particular account got banned.

The above lines, oh wait my bad "line" is the reply i got after possibly 5 other replies that hardly answered 15% of my doubts. I'd say Mr. _______ Support member just got tired of facing the truth of them not being "fair" after i posted the video link in the ticket. Excuse my language and rudeness, i do not wish to personally attack anybody through this post, but after wasting 24 hrs a day for a whole week just to get a reply that hardly would satisfy any needy, i have grown this developing irritation and frustration which i am letting out through this post. Coming back to the point, lets talks about being "FAIR". If you would have given me the same reply but not after having made an exception after saying that your company does not make exceptions to be "FAIR" i would've walked away and sent no further tickets but having a living proof in my hand it has become more than necessary as a player to type this post and have anyone reading this reconsider the meaning of "FAIR". By making the "exception" that the support member talked about in the video, the whole meaning of the word "fair" changes and so does it context. By having made the exception, what now would be unfair is the fact that you had considered one ban but others and made the fact that all but one account remained unbanned during the process. What now would have been fair is if other accounts that got banned for the same reason be unbanned. Enough of the fair business, i think any normal person would understand the fact that there are no 2 way to this and the fact that you make an exception and then say you dont make exceptions is more unfair than fair. Also i would like to know, apart from a summoner icon with 2 hands holding each other, what exactly have you done for loyal players? (and no ranked rewards are not included as they are for your ladder play achievements not loyalty). And please not that the unbanning in the video was done after the punishment system changed and like 2-3 months ago. Coming back to the loyalty part: what exactly has riot done for loyal players? Its almost like in the thirst to create a better community, Riot is just steamrolling anything that is coming in its path wrong or right. Honestly the earlier me would have been sorry for typing this rude of a message but honestly this message is to be more of an eyeopener rather than a collective request to get my account back.

-Tonystarch ( an annoyed and irritated league player)

19 Comments

elduris6 votes

Well, account sharing is grounds for permanent ban anyway so...

If you want any kind of feedback about your ban, post the chat logs you received.

grodruwmQ71 votes

Well i got banned for my behavior not sharing. Riot did not even know that the account was my brother's till he told them through tickets.

videorfeak5 votes

  1. Asking in chat for people to report any given player is a bannable offense amd you asked like 3-4 times in a single game that is harassment.

  2. The fact it's a permanent ban means that you have more than likely already had chat restrictions and temp bans on your account in the past, those lesser punishments are warning from Riot telling you to stop being toxic and you didn't listen.

  3. I see thousands of these "Unfair ban unban me plz" threads a day, I have yet to see a single thread where the OP dosnt deserve their ban.

  4. If you keep begging for attention maybe Tantrum will come and clear things up for you but from all of Tantrum's replies I have read on the boards, Tantrum comes in and says "You deserve your ban and this is why now stop whining like a kid and get the fk out my game" XD

grodruwmQ71 votes

Just to clear things up i have not been "TOXIC" i have been negative, i agree but never toxic. You can call me salty at best and honestly this type of convo goes on and around in almost every game in league of legends (and trust me even the best of people that think they are team players give into being salty one time or another )so i guess we should see riot banning all the players within the next few months and delete the game itself.

Also, since there are no comments regarding the rewards i talked about it would be nice if you could share your thoughts on that as well. Please, im sure we all know that and how riot punishes the salty but quite a few of us wish to know how riot REWARDS those that have been loyal and sportsmanship (and saying that riot lets you keep your account if you are sportsmanlike ,gives you one summoner icon or riot kayle is not enough of a reward). I might be misjudging and there must have been lots of rewards but if they are and if anyone know of them feel free to tell us all. I mean if you are going on punishing so harshly to make a better community then you should also be equally severely rewarding those that have been loyal isn't it? (by loyal i do not mean create an account for 4 years and not use it at all and still get the rewards but i use it for the people that play a few hours probs 4 days a week and sometimes take small breaks).

When you get the permanently banned suspension message on logging in it says You are among the 0.06% people negative enough to be banned funny though that the numbers haven't changed in one whole year This is either cuz

  1. riot doesn't care about giving out the right numbers
  2. the actual numbers have increased and riot is too ashamed to display it cuz the numbers are increasing despite the fact that they are banning people
  3. it is constant cuz riot is unbanning some people so the numbers are not changing
  4. riot is maybe falsely displaying such a constant and small number to make you feel low about you being part of this one small community within the large community
  5. riot forgot to change the numbers on possibly one of the most important messages for someone playing the game.
  6. the number of toxic players is steady as in riot bans one toxic account and meanwhile another account gets toxic (and if this is the case then what exactly is riot achieving out of the banning system) 7.riot does not wish for you the person to know that he is banned and is a part of a salty community that ,maybe be increasing in numbers cuz if you knew and told someone in mass riot would feel bad.

I am 90% sure from my 2 year experience + my brother's thoughts on his 2 years that those numbers are incorrect and the number of people that are being banned is slowly increasing and why is that? i mean they should decrease should they not? considering riot is going about banning people for asking enemies to report someone actuall worth reporting.

That said, it would be nice for all of us im sure if Riot members could personally display a list of every word or context/situation that is report worthy (ik its a lot of words considering even gg ez is "toxic" but i think a handfull of rioters can collectively make a list in no time)

Paquay1 votes

It appears that your definition of toxic and others' definition differs.

grodruwmQ71 votes

there is a difference between worse and worst. salt(worse) toxic (worst)

HexaDecimel1 votes

I suppose it's possible from a certain point of view that you were just negative and not toxic. However, Riot still gives players the option to report a player for a "negative attitude". So that tells me that being negative is just as reportable as being toxic.

grodruwmQ71 votes

There are a billion cases of people having been banned for supposedly having used 3rd party bots or malicious programs for cheating and 60% of those are legit innocent cases because there was a sudden 3-4 month spree of continuous banning of people for the use of such programs of which hardly 50% of the 90% innocent people got their accounts back and i know this and say it with this boldness is because one of my closest friends got banned for the same and he and i played league together every time (he got his account back but what about those that still remain banned? is riot even working those out or have those just been forgotten) and i can a 100% say form his side that he used nothing but curse voice in accordance to league. So if you are just going to go around typing "i have yet to see blah blah blah" please back it up with at least one fact and it is not necessary that the person started a thread in the league community, it can be through other sites as well and you not seeing them does not mean they do not exist.

Magical Player1 votes

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There are a billion cases of people having been banned for supposedly having used 3rd party bots or malicious programs for cheating and 60% of those are legit innocent cases because there was a sudden 3-4 month spree of continuous banning of people for the use of such programs of which hardly 50% of the 90% innocent people got their accounts back and i know this and say it with this boldness is because one of my closest friends got banned for the same and he and i played league together every time (he got his account back but what about those that still remain banned? is riot even working those out or have those just been forgotten) and i can a 100% say form his side that he used nothing but curse voice in accordance to league. So if you are just going to go around typing "i have yet to see blah blah blah" please back it up with at least one fact and it is not necessary that the person started a thread in the league community, it can be through other sites as well and you not seeing them does not mean they do not exist.

Where are people getting these numbers from?

Also asking for reports is a punishable offence in both games I count 3 times per game you asked for reports so 6 report calls in all General harassment is not constructive criticism You were harassing vi in game 1, you were not trying to make them a better player. Game 2 more general harassment

HexaDecimel1 votes

No clue where you are getting these numbers from. The last ban wave had an error in it that resulted in innocent accounts getting flagged for third party programs. Riot was pretty quick to come out and admit the mistake and revert the punishments on all accounts that were incorrectly banned. Outside of that occurrence Riot has very good false positive results. Over the last year or two I have seen only a handful of mistaken punishments handed out and Riot was always quick to apologize and correct the mistake.

LostFr0st3 votes

Copy and paste the chat logs here please. That's the only way the community can actually assess what was said.

Kitty Cat Tosha3 votes

So base your entire argument on one youtube video? Because everything that's on youtube is absolutely true? I'd suggest you start looking for youtube clips about giant lizard people living in the earth that is secretly hollow - it may blow your brain.

Now, I have not seen the vid (I'm at work). And yes, I know Riot has revoked bans before after taking a second look. No system is flawless.

But as far as I can tell from your essay, Riot already has taken a second (and third?) look at your account and decided not to revert your ban. I don't know if you had any punishments prior to this one? And would you mind posting your chat logs?

grodruwmQ71 votes

It is not just on the video but also on the proofs that the person has given in this following petition : http://www.thepetitionsite.com/689/805/983/riot-games-stop-permbanning-players-for-verbal-abuse/ and you can cross check whether what the person has said is true or false ( i have and it is true, at least if i know how to read English correctly)

and here are the logs from the last 2 games that had caused the ban:-

Game 1 TonyStarch: vi TonyStarch: hwo about u keep ur tilt to urself? TonyStarch: czu ur words of wisdom TonyStarch: arnt helping one bit TonyStarch: like just stop typing and play TonyStarch: LOL TonyStarch: luck? TonyStarch: ive sidestepped like 70% of ur q's TonyStarch: lol TonyStarch: i wotn be surprsied if u missed ur q if i was standing stil TonyStarch: go to TonyStarch: top TonyStarch: or jg TonyStarch: report this vi TonyStarch: lmao TonyStarch: someone else TonyStarch: psuh top please TonyStarch: why are u wasting tiem talkign to her? TonyStarch: can u just play top? TonyStarch: like just play TonyStarch: i dont see a reason for u to act so titled TonyStarch: liek honestly TonyStarch: just play TonyStarch: u sure tahm? TonyStarch: Report vi pleaj TonyStarch: i mean to think TonyStarch: afte rall this she would try and not tlak back TonyStarch: btu shes constantly blabbing away TonyStarch: shes like TonyStarch: tilted about the second hec gank TonyStarch: lol TonyStarch: we wil lget out of bronze TonyStarch: worry orf urself TonyStarch: comign from u TonyStarch: idc TonyStarch: lol TonyStarch: i dont think vi understands the role of a jg TonyStarch: shes still whinign about the second hec gank TonyStarch: i was having fun teasing xerath TonyStarch: but then vi tilted me TonyStarch: correction TonyStarch: she stil lis TonyStarch: please TonyStarch: rpeort her i beg u gus TonyStarch: guys TonyStarch: i told her TonyStarch: that her words of wisdom wreent helping TonyStarch: cuz in champ select she was liek TonyStarch: tiem to not try TonyStarch: its better than the 0/4 lvl 8 24 min top laner TonyStarch: report vi TonyStarch: u have doen nothign lol TonyStarch: just feeding TonyStarch: trash talkng TonyStarch: lol TonyStarch: ask the team whos toxic TonyStarch: ive only done all my typing in all chat TonyStarch: all chat is the only chatting ive done all game TonyStarch: neither did i TonyStarch: lol TonyStarch: ths graves did 0 ganks TonyStarch: lmao

Game 2 TonyStarch: ITS THRILLERRRR THRILERR NIGHTT!! TonyStarch: fi this guy wanted to afk TonyStarch: he shoudlnt have moveed TonyStarch: so we coudlve remkade TonyStarch: just play TonyStarch: hes back chill TonyStarch: stop actign liek a poop and play ez TonyStarch: i coudlnt movechill TonyStarch: i lagged out TonyStarch: UC ALLED JG TonyStarch: NOT ADC TonyStarch: no TonyStarch: i just dont want an afk to get farm TonyStarch: take all teh farm TonyStarch: and afk TonyStarch: she came in teh way :( TonyStarch: ?? TonyStarch: why did u stop? TonyStarch: asnt rin gane TonyStarch: range TonyStarch: and if i went into range TonyStarch: id get snared TonyStarch: and banged TonyStarch: lets pray to god that mr dawg stops feeding trynd TonyStarch: u have 68 cs in 23 mins ez TonyStarch: shhh both of u TonyStarch: you both are not helping TonyStarch: just busy trahstalkign each other TonyStarch: report ez and xin salty af TonyStarch: i didnt do it intently TonyStarch: report xin for afk TonyStarch: he afked for 5 misn in teh start TonyStarch: 4 mins in the middle and quite a few sometime back TonyStarch: liek just ff TonyStarch: we lost TonyStarch: gg TonyStarch: report pelase TonyStarch: ty

p.s sorry if this is hard to understand but here is a general idea of how exactly the games went so the chat logs make more sense :

GAME 1: i get into champ select. And the first thing i see in select chat is "Vi: i am not even going to try this game" ( and it was a ranked game btw) ignoring her we thought its a random small time tilt so we continued and the game started. Vi was playing top against a yorick, and so our graves thoughtfully told her to save her Q in case for when she got trapped inside yorick's wall and vi says : "that sounds like it will take effort" So i said nothing for the time being and just went on to play and then enemy hecarim ganked top twice in 2 mins so our vi started blaming the graves for not knowing how to gank and that he should gank like the enemy hecarim and then she starts whining about the ganks for days and said things like "as it is im not trying". That is the point when i lose it and thank her sarcastically to stop lending out words of wisdom as they weren't helping so she said and i quote "kid you know how to run that mouth of yours" or something like that anyways pretty close to that (she says this while dead) She respawned and came straight to my lane to annoy me and im like "get out" (i do not know why it isnt there in the chat log i remember faintly saying that maybe i didnt who knows) and she said to me " should have thought about that before running your mouth" and then from there you can imagine how it went down. Not to forget i requested the enemy team to report her and legitimately did all my chatting in all chat (except for the words of wisdom thing) and then she turns up and says report gp for being toxic and im like dude i have done all my chatting in all chat and im pretty sure i have been within limits this entire time (considering one vi alone had the whole team turned up against her and i even got this message when i right now logged in to pcopy paste the chat logs that my report has caused an unsportsmanlike person to be penalized hopefully its the vi). So she sits at lvl 7 in like 16 mins with approx 23 farming going around in others' lanes missing cs, taking exp going to the jg dying to camps etc etc. well i reported her and then queued up but my client froze and when i relogged in i met my doom.(also by teasing xerath i meant cuz i was dodging his q's like a graceful ballerina and also i typed in "lucky?" cuz i survived a hard hecarim gank with 10 hp and xerath called it lucky cuz i dodged his last ult

GAME 2:

I picked brand support that game and as soon as we started we had a jg xin zhao afk and i was okay with it at the beginning honestly cuz i thought we can just remake but that guy intently moved to the red buff and we could not remake (which is why u can see me talk about people moving and then afking so the team can't remake ) and then he attacks the red buff and nearly dies but i had come to help him out so it was fine all together. After the red buff though he afked again in the reed buff pitt for like 5 mins and came back. Meanwhile ezreal, my adc was busy abusing the xin and almost so busy typing that he stood under the tower a good few mins himself to get down some toxic messages and that is when the xin returned and he is like don't worry ezreal i will gank bot to make up for it. So ez calms down a bit and then xin afks some more in the middle before his first gank, and then after he ganks he is so mad at the ezreal that he takes the cs and i kind of get annoyed cuz i didn't want the cs to go to a guy that could potentially be afk some more during the game and waste the cs he took a good 30-35 creeps before i said that and then of course he afked 2 more mins after that at base. Meanwhile our nasus is busy feeding the trynd (which is one thing i do not get. If you are smart and you know that if you try to 1v1 a champ you lose everytime you simply stop trying to 1v1 but try and get the enemy with your team but somehow people like that nasus just do not get that fact even over the course of 7-8 deaths to teh same person in 1v1 attempts) so i agree i put out a salty comment. Suddenly xin says " guys brb i need to go to my car for 5 minutes to get my usb" and in my mind im like dude u have hardly played 10 mins out of the 25 minute game and you are gone again. And this infuriated the ezreal and when xin came back they both had a good verbally abusive fight (with the xin constantly saying how he couldn't see how afking in game affected the game for others in the game and i was like is this guy for real? if this were so afking wouldn't have been a punishable offense) and then suddenyl from nowhere the ezreal and xin turn towards me and say that the support was sucking the whole game ( i mean okay i had an adc equivalent to a 5 min dc cuz of all the typing) so i reply back by stating ezreal's cs and they say i was feeding (another thing i do not get people ask others to report you for feeding but they do not seem to get the meaning of the word "intentionally" that is written before the word feeding in the report screen) and then from the ez the xin's focus shifts towards me and he asks the enemy to report me for which i give the enemy the details on his afking and thene having given up on the game i say its over we can ff adn when the game ends i type gg in all chat.

I know that you cannot clap with just one hand and in a similar way a fight needs 2 sides to start but i do not see how i was perma ban worthy "toxic" (as riot called me in the perma ban message) and honestly this is just my regular way of typing in chat i do not use full on directed abusive language (again i did once but only for the kled that pushed me to my limits and we have all been there) and i can a 100% say i have never been the type of guy that starts running it down a lane when i was not listened to or was having a bad game. I admit i was salty "toxic" by no means and so if any rioteer or player behavior specialist is seeing that please i sincerely request to reconsider my case as i can assure you that if given one last chance i can reform a 100% and be an ideal league of legends player. Hopefully this chat log made thigns mroe clear

in case this goes for reconsideration Thanks in advance -Tonystarch (and sorry for all the errors in spellings as well as the jumbling up of present and past tense xD and the THRILLLERRRR THRILLLERR NIGHT was said by me cuz i was wearing the zombie brand skin i got from hextech crafting and its dance is the dance from michael jackson's thriller hehe xD things i like to do for fun but end up biting myself in the bum)

TrulyBland3 votes

Incarnation's accounts were not unbanned. Incarnation's lifetime ban got lifted. Something you were not even punished with.

grodruwmQ71 votes

Never said it did, that link was to a post written by some other player but from what i had searched on the internet i found 90% of what he said to be true.

Chønklord2 votes

Sweet Jesus you type essays when you need short poems. You consistently harassed players by asking for reports. You argued with teammates. Those are bannable offenses. Best bet is to mute all at start of the game. In general riot frowns upon any sort of arguing or attempts to correct teammates. Even friendly banter and sarcasm are bannable. Also never ever say the R word (report).

grodruwmQ71 votes

"attempts to correct teammates". The day you get banned for this, im sure that the word "constructive criticism" will be removed from the dictionary or perhaps even the word "help".

BigBellBrute1 votes

Reading the logs I see Stop acting like a poop. Abbreviations for the eff word. I see no reason to ban here, you could miss your q while i was standing still, etc etc.

Yeah. I see no reason to ban here.

grodruwmQ71 votes

love the sarcasm but i still do not think they are ban worthy comments. Such comments are made by at at least 2-3 people per game because let us face it in game you get stuck with 5 people that are trying to win from both ends and 5 that are there to not even try and put their heads into such things and apparently if you stop or try to stop someone as such you get reported for typing "af"? I mean i used it to depict the intensity to which the xin and ezreal were being salty and when a report becomes something you use to take your in game frustration out on someone regardless of the fact if it is correct or not it is still considered as a report...why?i do not know and never will.

I know i just sound like a baby right now whose toy has been taken away from him, but i honestly do not get the reason why it was specifically for these 2 games that i got banned i mean is this what it comes to to act like a victim in every case and take everything negative thing another player is doing and not post your personal thoughts on the issue i mean isnt that what the chat is for? When you are frustrated not even the mute button helps because you can do nothing but type and to get extra help you ask the enemy to report as well but turns out that asking for a legitimate report is a wrong thing to do. You can go on banning people riot, but there is no light at the end of the tunnel as the toxicity will never stop. No one is toxic or salty because one fine day they wake up to bright sunlight and the first idea that pops up inside their head is HOLY MOLY I NEED TO PLAY LoL AND FLAME PEOPLE! it is not till the account reaches level 30 and enters the ranked stage of the game that the competition in game or out of games somewhat makes you wanna do better and when you are at the verge of losing because of 2-3 (acting like trolls) people in a game you can do nothing but put down your frustration through chat and if the chat was to put down only good things and good messages in a fierce competition base game then i think you are better off removing the whole chat system. What happens when you mute an intense troll? He/she finds out somehow that you have muted him/her (probs cuz u stopped replying back) and then from toxicity it goes to running it down your lane or stealing your camps if you are the jungler. I am not stating this cuz i want you to read it and help me get my account back or support me, there will always be points that i think are rigth which may be wrong for others and im all ears for even the harshest of replies . I know what i have done is wrong and deserves a punishment (although not as severe as this) but the major reason why people become salty is when they are on a mission to win and climb up the ladder but meet some people in game that trll the living guts out of them and its a part of every MOBA game to haev ever been created on the face of this planet. Chat is (i know not a means to take out your frustration) something to be used for team play but when your frustration builds up, all the good thoughts and team play goes in the trash can and you take out your frustration on the reason thats building it up. It is easy to sit at your homes, reading posts like this and counting out the post-er's mistakes and say obviously he got punished before cuz a direct perma ban is not something riot does, but you only realize this when you are put in the same spot and lets face it even the people that numberwise count your mistakes have too taken their frustration out and at that point they did not think about mistakes they only think about giving some back to the person that is causing the irritation. Honestly i have never seen such a direct and severe punishment in any other MOBA game or at least heard of it because this is just a part of the competitive nature otherwise let us all put nailpaint on our fingernails, blow them dry and sit around in restaurants enjoying kitty parties (not being sexist just stating the contrast between being sensitive and being competitive). If you are so worried that the negativity is spreading cuz of chat then remove chat use pings? at least you will then have a much shorter range to ban some one for (only cheating inting or afking) and if you want us to act like victims every game tell us that too im sure we all will do so and i will too if in case i create a new account and say thank you to someone even if he runs it down my lane or says F*** YOU! to me ill act like nothing happened and take the hit to my self respect and put up a big smile on my face and not ask others to support me in reporting someone that is wrong because it is wrong to ask for help in putting someone out there for trial.

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