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Banned for playing Ascension differently?

Natboy88··106 votes·13,813 views

So apparently, these 5 premade players got their accounts banned for intentional feeding, but these reports came from the enemy team that got tilted from playing against that for almost an hour. Basically, they played a game of Ascension (if you aren't living under a rock you would know of the gamemode riot is pumping out every week) where they would force the enemy team to surrender because they couldn't go back to base to buy items. The premade basically stopped the enemy from capturing relics with Sunfire Capes and them being too tanky to kill after a while. Watch the video for more information. I constantly play Ascension to rack up IP and play stupid shit against real people, and when i saw this strategy I wanted to play in a premade 5 and try it out. But now I'm not so sure that I should because me or my friends may get banned. The links below are ban notifications to the 5 of them.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195463568089546752/344561181446635520/nR_XukOdToq4C3EfFxsgPQ.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195463568089546752/344561188484415488/buV739O9QsWdRDVSeTOBkQ.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195463568089546752/344561190053216256/YbNmr3AQRYKBuSIdv15dSA.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195463568089546752/344561193203007498/neMXpxrRSt2-fWukX3E8Nw.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195463568089546752/344561199028895744/v5b0ffzlRo_Z64It4cbYLA.png

Edit: I personally understand that these player were sort of "held hostage" but in all honesty they chose to continue trying to capture relics instead of just FF@25 or sometime there. I would assume they understood that the game would drag on and they knew that they weren't going to be able to capture relics. In my (silver 1) opinion this is almost the same as playing against someone who counter jg's you and hides in bushes forcibly tilting you hard. Or laning against Darius. And let's not forget the amount of bots that flood into these Ascension games in the first place. If these gamemodes are supposed to be short then enforce it. You could put a limit of how long a game is supposed to be like in the practice tool.

Or you could put other gamemodes back on the rotation.

cough One for All cough Black Market Brawlers

301 Comments

RallerenP51 votes

I think a ban is warranted in this scenario. While I mostly think that full premades should be able to do what they want and fuck around it's only to a certain extent. If the strategy only depends on making the enemy team feel miserable and does not involve trying to actively win (by normal means, not by forcing enemy surrender), it's straight up scummy.

Fondling Gems28 votes

^ I have no issues with a 5 man premade playing how they want to. If a 5 man premade wants to play a game of "see who they can get killed the most" with stuff like Trundle, Anivia, Tahm, etc. I am perfectly fine with that so long as the whole premade is fine with that. When their playstyle starts to hurt players that aren't part of their premade (see 4 man premades picking on their 5th member or ruining the game for the other team) that is where I have issues.

TheOGSnow38 votes

I think riot could fix it pretty easily by setting a cutoff where whoever has the most points at say 40 minutes wins automatically. It's an easy solution to the problem.

Natboy887 votes

yes, that would be an ideal fix to any exploitation of the sort

LocatedEagle2326 votes

{quoted}

I think a ban is warranted in this scenario. While I mostly think that full premades should be able to do what they want and fuck around it's only to a certain extent. If the strategy only depends on making the enemy team feel miserable and does not involve trying to actively win (by normal means, not by forcing enemy surrender), it's straight up scummy.

Well technically they still have a grand chance of winning by capturing relics

AlienPrimate15 votes

If that is your thought process, I think anyone who ever plays Darius should immediately be banned. Any time I have to lane against him, I want to throw my computer against the wall and hang myself. They were playing to win and they did win. Just because the enemy doesn't like the strategy doesn't mean they should be banned.

Akali Prime49 votes

well if thats the case i think people who counter jg and jglrs/enemy teamates who constantly camp my lane should be 14 day suspended because they made my gamming experience unenjoyable

SH Azykan20 votes

Shaco and anyone who plays shaco (my team or enemy team)

SecondAirbane24 votes

and any1 who stomps me in lane cause they make it unenjoyable

I suck at Jhin14 votes

And everyone who ever won against me because losing is not enjoyable.

Beas7ie11 votes

{quoted}

I think a ban is warranted in this scenario. While I mostly think that full premades should be able to do what they want and fuck around it's only to a certain extent. If the strategy only depends on making the enemy team feel miserable and does not involve trying to actively win (by normal means, not by forcing enemy surrender), it's straight up scummy.

When the enemy kills me I feel miserable(even if it's from mistakes I made) if they get a tower I feel miserable, when they bank I feel miserable, when they get dragon and baron I feel miserable.

I now find that to be scummy and will report all the above actions if the enemy does them

korg0237 votes

Still not bannable they didnt cheat , use scripts or flame. It is immoral yes, it is scummy yes but not bannable its not their fault they exploit something that is part of the game mechanic. So you wanna say that if you in summoners rift find something to explot some bug you should be banned too? Or play annoying champion ? or idk annoying strategy? Riot made it on the plate for them to use they didnt do anything bannable.

Spice POWAH2 votes

Actually, Riot has threatened to ban people who exploit an exploit before. Quite a while ago there was a bug so bad Riot had to disable Ranked. It allowed people to animation cancel their recall animation to pretty much teleport back to base whenever they want. Riot disabled ranked and warned players that abusing it can result in them getting banned for intentionally exploiting a game-breaking bug.

korg0232 votes

This isnt that case, this is not the bug this is just gameplay of game mode they made. They are not exploiting anything they are just playing. Also why didnt they just disable the mode until the fix?

Big Dåddy Darius29 votes

Riot should just fix this , not ban them , they didnt cheat or anything , come with a bannable reason that guy got perma ? He played the game , HE IS SMART , HE PLAYED WITH A STRATEGY ! And guess what , my mates from gold who open mid have honor level 3 ... nice riot .

Anomander24 votes

The problem isn't with a not killing strategy. The problem is with them not trying to even play the game but hold it hostage.

If they had been trying to cap the relics and win the game then it is a valid strategy. They weren't instead they were trying to force the game to last as long as possible instead of winning. This is trolling. Regardless of if you are trolling your team or the enemy team it is straight up trolling.

kargish16 votes

The strategy is valid and viable

It's not about trying to win the classic fashioned way, the way this strategy works is simply to force the enemy to surrender. If they don't surrender then they are fine with keep playing, and thus the game carries on. If you can't beat this strategy, then go ahead and /ff. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am quite sure that 5-premade teams are matched with other 5-premade teams.

This is clever use of game mechanics, and is not banworthy in any way. We're literally being punished for thinking out of the box, because we can't have anything nice it would seem. It could easily be fixed but nah let's just enforce a rule instead.

VolleMöhreAchim23 votes

It's a big timewaste for the enemys and a fun killer.

Hikageya11 votes

{quoted}

It's a big timewaste for the enemys and a fun killer.

Oh, well, at less its more funny than assension every week. There is no reason for them to be ban. They are only not killing them. Its a good way to fight against rotation of assension 50 week an year

HalcyonDweller13 votes

So it's OK to ruin 5 other people's day for revenge against Riot?

Those 5 players on the enemy team are innocent, they have nothing to do with Riot's decisions. And taking frustration against Riot out on those 5 players is a really really shitty thing to do to them.

UnboundHades16 votes

apparently if u exploit a system that the creators are too lazy to think of you deserve to be punished instead of rewarded to help the mode improve by showing a flaw

EvilDustMan16 votes

Having watched the game to the comment at the end, yea, 1 hour, that's holding a game hostage until the other guy surrenders.

Rainfall8 votes

its riot's job to fix it.Riot should at least have the dignity to ban them for exploiting bugs.intentional feeding? who are they kidding?

Spice POWAH5 votes

It fits more under greifing than inting, imo.

Casual Dude14 votes

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Supreme Senpai693 votes

^. Remember that the description for Intentionally Feeding is "Assisting the enemy team." By not killing them on purpose, you are assisting them.

Spice POWAH14 votes

I'm surprised so many people voted no on this.

While I don't think this counts as inting, it DEFINITELY counts as griefing.

The reasoning for this is because these people went into a premade with the intent of making the game miserable. It's basically the only reason they would do this.

Also, if they got banned for this, they probably got reported and punished a bunch of times, presumably.

manbearswine8 votes

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I'm surprised so many people voted no on this.

While I don't think this counts as inting, it DEFINITELY counts as griefing.

The reasoning for this is because these people went into a premade with the intent of making the game miserable. It's basically the only reason they would do this.

Also, if they got banned for this, they probably got reported and punished a bunch of times, presumably.

Hell it's such a clear cut case, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer :

Actions undertaken to waste other players' time. For example, when losing in a turn-based game, a player may play as slowly as possible. In other games, they may hide from an enemy when there is no tactical benefit in doing so.

This form of "strategy" exists in many games, and always ends in bans if bans can be given. People are just too stupid to read past the title, it's not a "different strategy", it's classical griefing.

I suck at Jhin2 votes

"Griefing" wouldn't be a word if people learned how to be patient instead of fucking complaining if they don't get what they want in 3 fucking seconds.

manbearswine3 votes

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"Griefing" wouldn't be a word if people learned how to be patient instead of fucking complaining if they don't get what they want in 3 fucking seconds.

You realize that a game of this sort can last for weeks(until maintenance hits) as long as each side refuses to quit, and who would that be good for? Griefing would still be a word, and this would still be griefing.

I suck at Jhin4 votes

Okay, so you refuse to quit when you can't win in any way, doesn't that mean that you are griefing just as much as enemy team?

Sounds hypocritical to me.

manbearswine2 votes

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Okay, so you refuse to quit when you can't win in any way, doesn't that mean that you are griefing just as much as enemy team?

Sounds hypocritical to me.

In that scenario? Of course not, they decided to make the game an indefinite draw, you're not a grifer for refusing to give up, you didn't specifically plan and play in a way to induce an indefinite draw.

This is the equivalent of constantly delaying the end of your turn at any turn based game, or hiding one unit in a large map when playing an RTS, or causing an indefinite draw in pokemon(the endless battle clause).

Hate to break it to you but nothing hypocritical here, this is classical griefing and you're just delusional.

CloakedAssbender14 votes

So, a team does a fun stratergy or maybe they just randomly thought and talked about it if it could work, then try it like 5-8 times if it works, and instead of riot maybe first warning them specialy the one with the perma ban, just ban em ? For real now ?

Normal/Ramked games: inters, feeders, afk, open mid while the team doesn't want to, random reports, flame, spam, trolling in ranked FUN (or almost even troll already) MODE/ascencion: a different custom STRATERGY in a STRATERGY GAME.

for real.

Oh and btw, you won't be able to ban everyone doing that, there will now be so many Players doing it specialy scince some Youtubers did that stuff where like atlast 500.000 People saw it already alltogether, have fun banning them all Riot, I am sure the playerbase will enjoy that. Not like you could build in a cap at minute 30 or smth that the team with the most Points win or smth, noooo way. Oh, and i mean you can even laugh about that, i already had to face against one of these teams and i just laughed for the last 20 minutes(ofc we ffed but that's a funmode, who ducking cares about deaths/lost games?). But you know what isn't funny and where you don't do something against ? 4 premades ducking off one single player, Flaming him, telling the enemy team to report him, and who do they belive ? The one guy, or the 4 guys ? HMMMMMM, so you get 9 reports for absolutly doing nothing without playing your game and even carrying at the end, well nothing happend yet with these reports, but i am sure they mark me as more often reported or badplayer for rito members, and I am sure this happend to everyone at last one time with over 400-500 games, it doesn't happen often, but it happens more often then this ascension stratergy.

And for real rito, if you give us ascencion for the 20th time while maybe poroking 2 times between and onetime dark star, it's no wonder that people are borred of playing it normaly, and do some off meta tactics, and it's not like the enemy team had to play that game and couldn't just ff, it's a fun mode who ducking cares about looses in it ????

Loprode13 votes

Omg they shouldn't have been banned. Just an advertissement would have been ok. Banned 14 days for that ? What a joke.. the guy who created this is very smart and deserve a LoL reward.

Rocket Jesus10 votes

Maybe if Riot didn't put out the same old game mode every 4 weeks people wouldn't go this far to find alternative ways to enjoy it.

LostFr0st9 votes

I think this is a good topic for Riot to address directly, as they did with the support Singed and Nunu cases.

Whether "banworthy" or not, they were holding the games of many MANY players hostage and since that topic hit Reddit people were going online to "try it out themselves."

At least until they address it, this was probably the response from the new int feeder detection system. The Vid's pic is also slightly misleading, they died far more times than that.

Squidwards House8 votes

why would you ban them? "they ruined the fun" when you'd have to ban me aswell cause as soon as an enemy flames in all chat i camp this sucker till he smashes his fucking pc. because i wanna win and the more this guy rages the worse he will play and the higher is our teams chance of winning. dont ban them.

Beas7ie8 votes

Ok I just saw the vid. Strategy shouldn't be punished. If Rito doesn't like it, they need to fix it with something like letting players B.

But that "ez" that's worthy of a ban.

Going off topic, but I report EVERY player that says "ez" because then, you're just being a dick and trying to tilt.

So unban everyone else but publically execute the ppl that said "ez"

Automated Riven5 votes

I agree that ez is pretty rude. But worth a ban? nah I dont agree with you there.

Beas7ie2 votes

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I agree that ez is pretty rude. But worth a ban? nah I dont agree with you there.

Not a ban on it's own but at least a chat restriction.

It's the context. When you say ez, you're not just smack talking or joking around. You're being an assholes. Riots main rules with chat is to NOT be an asshole.

You can have your own opinion on the matter but I will personally continue to report each and every person who says "ez".

It's then up to Riot to determine if they should be punished or not.

Blakers18 votes

I think people are missing the point here. Is this strategy cancerous? Of course it is because it completely gets rid of any meaningful progress in this game mode, but is it ban worthy? Not really, at least not at this point. If these guys had played 10 or 20 games of this and potentially hindered the enjoyment of 50 to 100 players then I could see it, but just a few games worth should have warranted a warning sent out to each of these players stating exactly why they were in trouble.

Riot should have directly addressed this issue and worked on a hotfix or disable the queue until they are able to patch it. This leads us to the real question. Why did Riot need to ban these players when the responsibility for this oversight is Riots? A ban fixes this for a small group of players, but has opened the strategy up for thousands of players to abuse, which is going to create a massive influx of games that are ruined.

I don't really think this strategy should be allowed, but to ban someone (let alone a group of people) for finding an exploit in your own system that you advertise as pretty much perfect is ignorant at best.

Also please don't come at me with stuff like "Remember Jordan Belfort? He did this exact thing in real life and we all think he should have been thrown in jail!!??" because that isn't a comparable situation. Stealing millions =/= bringing to light an exploit in a rotating game mode. If anything, Riot banning these people and bringing it to the front page of their forums makes them more comparable to Jordan Belfort than the offenders themselves. Both Belfort and Riot are (were) hindering millions of people with their decisions.

Galacius8 votes

Well guys I have good news!

Hey all, Like u/draggles mentioned yesterday, we’ve been looking into these bans alongside the team over in Europe (where these games/bans occurred). The short version is that we goofed on these bans and are reversing them because these players weren’t intentionally feeding. We believe the pacifist strategy lines up with the “intent to win” policy we laid out earlier this year around other wacky approaches to the game like Support/Smite Singed and roaming Support Nunu. Check out Meddler’s thoughts on all that. As far as Ascension, the pacifist strategy is actually just fine, however it’s deeply unhealthy and unfun when players abuse it to stretch a game to absurd lengths in an effort to force opponents to surrender. We’ll be looking to update the game mode and reduce or remove the viability of this trolly version of the pacifist strategy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/6spcm7/were_reversing_those_pacifist_ascension_bans_from/

OHminus7 votes

If anything, this entire predicament showcases Riot's ineptness at balancing rotating game modes. There are so many solutions, such as allowing backing in Ascension or setting a time cap for the game itself.

People were asking for URF and Riot gave us months of Ascension of Poro King (don't get me wrong - I like Poro King, but it gets boring after a while). This is what happens when games that are put together with little effort/thought are put out there for months on end.

Z3R4TU75 votes

u can suk my pipi rito!!

BORCANIE205 votes

rito bans people for trying out a different strategy but they arent doing anything with troll and toxic people.

also, they got instantly banned? at least they should've warn them...

Kitty Cat Tosha4 votes

I am honestly surprised by all the outrage about the ban. If someone holds you hostage for 2 minutes in champ select, people come complaining about being forced to dodge, but apparently it's a-okay to hold an entire team hostage for 50+ minutes in a full game.

"But they were just using (unintentional) game mechanics" - so are bug abusers, but no one complains when they got banned as well.

Duchu263 votes

Give a team with the Ascended 1 point/minute or whatever and problem solved!

In regards to the ban tho. I love the hypocrysy of some players. I wonder, if you would be so encouraging and supporting of those guys, if you were on the receiving end of this "strat". Just like with Singed support, couple months ago. 99% of you would report those guys, bet.

EvilDustMan2 votes

How long did they make the game? Did they actually try to win?

Fondling Gems21 votes

Both games went to about 1 hour before the other team surrendered because they only had about half the points they needed and the longer the game went on the slower it became as the tanks became harder to kill and had an easier time of interrupting the enemy team.

So I would argue that they were trying to get a "win" but not trying to actually win. They had the ability to take relics many times and they wouldn't, instead they were going for a "win" by making the other team surrender out of frustration.

Trying to win implies doing your best to have the game end in a win. They were not doing this because they gave up multiple opportunities to get points for themselves with the express purpose of not getting closer to a win condition. Instead they were trying to draw out the game as long as possible because they would find more enjoyment out of that kind of a game than their opponents, thus they wouldn't feel the same need to surrender.

Basically they were trying to make both teams lose until one team surrendered.

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