14 day suspension

Astr0nomic1··2 votes·979 views
Gyazo

When you question riots policies apparently you get banned. I played a game with a clearly intentionally feeding teemo . He runs it down mid , takes cs, and troll picks (he got support) . I muted to start never talked to him or said anything more than report him for trolling . never said anything abusive toward him. Guilt i called the enemy amumu bad because he wasnt abusing a feeder. Not excessive just pointed it out. Moved on quickly to a civil discussion about other mobas, kick features, and communities . Meanwhile i had wished rest of team happy new year and day, and i continued to play with 12 death teemo. Now at the very end of the conversation i said i dont care if you "trash" (being used as a verb to trash talk) shit kids as long as you dont troll and try. ALthough choice language it was not targeted at specifically anyone which its not "abusive" being the reason i got banned. Granted I got frustrated but according to the summoners code never berated anyone and stood as civil as i could. meanwhile the next game i get a 14 day suspension when i asked for report and muted the troll and the Teemo gets to play . Thank you IFS please bring back tribunal . Appeal in process

36 Comments

ModUlanopo11 votes

From where I sit, you spent way too much time asking for reports and bragging about getting someone banned.

Astr0nomic11 votes

asking multiple times isn't against the summoners code. I said it 3 times that i hope he gets banned and it wasn't attacking him it was stating it . the rest was a civil conversation in which the enemy team was participating in . thats bannable ? I was deemed abusive where do i abuse teemo?

Astr0nomic11 votes

also mind you i was still attempting to play the game had a decent kda relative to game and decent cs given him troolling . So i wasnt afk

Void Nargacuga5 votes

It's still very much harassment what you said and it was completely unnecessary

Astr0nomic11 votes

what did i say? tell me what is harassment? that i would enjoy making it a better community ? i muted him and didn't directly interact with him ?

Void Nargacuga2 votes

To answer both your replies: You were constantly trying to rally for reports which is completely unnecessary. And is considered a form of harassment. There are also your comments to Amumu as well, and you just continue to make unnecessary comments that can only be seen as belittling and demeaning.

One report is all a game needs to be reviewed, 9 reports doesn't make it look any harder.

What someone else does is not an excuse to do something to someone else.

Astr0nomic11 votes

I may have been rude to the mummy but thats not the standards at which i got banned for. Rallying to make the community better and getting a POSITIVE response from the enemy team and sparking civil discussion. Meanwhile unlike most reports i never shit talk teemo never address him i muted him i simply played and tried my hardest. Like you said one report is all thats needed congrats its the troll teemo and IFS that registered trash and shit as "abuse" when it was not targeted at anyone at all. The flaw in your arguments.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

You were constantly rallying for everyone to report Teemo. Which is as I stated: Completely unnecessary, just resign to report them yourself at the end game lobby.

TheEvilQueen1352 votes

[{quoted}](name=Richard Grayson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AUIBg4QW,comment-id=000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-06T20:15:05.563+0000)

I may have been rude to the mummy but thats not the standards at which i got banned for. Rallying to make the community better and getting a POSITIVE response from the enemy team and sparking civil discussion. Meanwhile unlike most reports i never shit talk teemo never address him i muted him i simply played and tried my hardest. Like you said one report is all thats needed congrats its the troll teemo and IFS that registered trash and shit as "abuse" when it was not targeted at anyone at all. The flaw in your arguments.

as you just repeated only 1 report is needed, yours. that is why asking for reports as many times as you did is considered harassment. even if you muted him everyone else can see it and they likely don't want to be bothered by it popping up in chat every few minutes. if you want to ask say it once and let it be. or better yet report him yourself and stay quiet

Astr0nomic11 votes

4 times i actually say report teemo, twice i say i hope he gets banned which is true because he is the equivalent of tyler1 in his toxic days. The rest of me "bothering" people in chat is discussing policy and past experiences with the enemy team. And the concept of multiple reports is it takes one to be seen. However if you have multiple with actual notes where people take time its used as evidence in said cases. That's why riot puts the leave a comment in report screen. Now you can disagree with me all you want but according to the SUMMONERS CODE which is the basis of punishment i did nothing wrong. If the don't like me talking the can mute i shouldn't be banned for talking.

Chermorg5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Richard Grayson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AUIBg4QW,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2018-01-06T20:40:09.956+0000)

4 times i actually say report teemo, twice i say i hope he gets banned which is true because he is the equivalent of tyler1 in his toxic days.

This is harassment of teemo. You are admitting to it. This type of harassment is considered unacceptable and has been since tribunal days.

Astr0nomic11 votes

THATS HARASSMENT? lolz but yet someone who copied a move from tyler1s permaban gets to play . I stated a few times but never lingered. its just funny how someone as troll as this is getting "defended" when i never attacked him . I never lingered and according to riot themselves i called him a "trash" kid. Twitter support said according to IFS i had targeted someone calling them trash..... but you guys are right . I abused someone by asking for him to be punished then MOVING ON to talk about actual policies .

Chermorg3 votes

Yes, it is. Harassment is defined as:

It is commonly understood as behavior that disturbs or upsets, and it is characteristically repetitive.

by Wikipedia. That is exactly what you did - you intended to disturb, upset, and threaten, and you did so repetitively.


Even ignoring the repeated report calling, the game is not the place to talk about policy. The game chat is designed to talk about actual game strategy - not behavior systems or other policy. By continually having off topic discussion you likely annoyed your team and it may very well have been considered spam to consistently talk about off topic things in the game (if someone reported you for that). While that type of behavior would not be punishable normally, if someone reported you saying you constantly spammed off topic discussions in the game chat, it may have crossed the line.

Lastly:

its just funny how someone as troll as this is getting "defended" when i never attacked him .

Nobody is defending the troll. If you notice, nobody is discussing the troll's actions (other than to say that he'll get punished for them if he deserves it). Everyone here is focused on your actions, as that's the root cause of your punishment.

Astr0nomic11 votes

You actually used Wikipedia for one. Use an actual credited source. And is repetitive .... 4 times which relative to ability to spam every couple seconds is minimal . i asked for report attempting to bring it to light. Then stopped for the rest of game engaging a conversation which ISN'T AGAINST SUMMONERS CODE. never attacked Teemo, never addressed teemo, never did anything but attempt to bring his actions to light. Now saying that annoying someone * they could have muted because i was engaged meaning someone else agreed with me . There were NO other incidents referenced in the ban description . Just one game cited. I've been chat banned that got cited multiple instances. So seeing as the evidence shows only one example, i had actually been reformed and made the community better receiving notifications that i had helped make the communit better , and that people had agreed and engaged the conversation .... whats the banable offense? If they didnt wanna participate in the conversation that's a different story called a mute button for that aspect. but calling someone trash? cause i didn't do that. if you look but the system in place is flawed and cant distinguish context. By that connotation if he picks teemo and it upsets me he also harassed me . Anybody performing bad could be harassment . The correct verbage is abuse by riots summoners code standard verbal abuse would be to interact with him . I didn't.

Chermorg5 votes

The punishable offense here is that you harassed someone. You repeatedly asked for and threatened reports against someone. That is harassment. You don't have to agree with it, but players here are attempting to explain to you why you were punished. Harassment must be a negative action - such as threatening reports - not simply picking a champion you don't like.

It is never permissible to be toxic - even in one game. There is no expectation that you get multiple games before a punishment - it can take as little as one.


Lastly, even if the system could see context, Riot has repeatedly stated they do not want it to see context - the context simply does not matter for your punishment. You pushed enter and typed - nobody else forced you to do so.

Astr0nomic11 votes

threatened? i asked for reports. It was clear his intentions . His intentions were that of tyler1 so by that logic phreak voicing same opinions should be banned. But nope. And it has to see context cause language is all about context someone can type monkey that means nothing but if you call someone a monkey that is abuse. Context always matters. I was not toxic . i was a tad rude but i was actually pretty level headed and bright spirited towards everyone else aside from the inting teemo the entire game. I didn't associate with him so wasn't toxic. You keep talking about negative action in such a broad sense then literally anyone who does anything that people dont like is harassment .

ModPrandine5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Richard Grayson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AUIBg4QW,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-06T22:11:33.436+0000)

You actually used Wikipedia for one. Use an actual credited source.

You want another source? Here's one by Merriam Webster:

(1) : to annoy persistently (2) : to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct

Regardless though both sources are accurate in this situation.

And is repetitive .... 4 times which relative to ability to spam every couple seconds is minimal . i asked for report attempting to bring it to light. Then stopped for the rest of game engaging a conversation which ISN'T AGAINST SUMMONERS CODE. never attacked Teemo, never addressed teemo, never did anything but attempt to bring his actions to light.

Like others have said it only takes 1 report to flag a game for review and as such calling for reports is pointless, and when used as a leaping off point to harass someone qualifies as punishable behavior. That's what you did: you were constantly badgering Teemo about his poor behavior all game long when everyone on the team could see what he was doing. That is neither helpful nor constructive use of chat.

Now saying that annoying someone * they could have muted because i was engaged meaning someone else agreed with me . There were NO other incidents referenced in the ban description . Just one game cited.

Reform cards only contain 1-3 recent games as examples of the kind of behavior that led to the ban. This doesn't mean that these were the only games you were validly reported in, just some of the more recent ones is all. Also the mute button =/= a get out of jail free card. If you have to force someone to mute you just so you can rage and flame then you're part of the problem.

I've been chat banned that got cited multiple instances. So seeing as the evidence shows only one example, i had actually been reformed and made the community better receiving notifications that i had helped make the communit better , and that people had agreed and engaged the conversation .... whats the banable offense?

The punishable offenses here include report calling as a leaping off point for harassment and the poor behavior directed towards other players. Normally this would only garner a chat restriction at most, but since you already had a 25-game chat restriction the IFS bumped you up to the next step (a 14-day ban) for the continued poor behavior.

If they didnt wanna participate in the conversation that's a different story called a mute button for that aspect. but calling someone trash? cause i didn't do that. if you look but the system in place is flawed and cant distinguish context. By that connotation if he picks teemo and it upsets me he also harassed me . Anybody performing bad could be harassment . The correct verbage is abuse by riots summoners code standard verbal abuse would be to interact with him . I didn't.

Context doesn't matter as everyone is responsible for their own behavior. If you reported the Teemo and he has a history of poor behavior then he will receive a punishment if he hasn't already just like you did here. Regardless though retaliation or "they started it" is not an acceptable excuse. Next time someone is behaving poorly in chat just mute, report and move on rather than add to the negative environment yourself.

Astr0nomic11 votes

KK so by that definition anybody that picks yasuo is harassing me . Im annoyed with their pick. But they arent gonna get banned because they are entitled to it. I am entitled to the ability to report people against the summoners code, and the ability to talk to enemy team. Am i not? Verbal and physical misconduct . I chose not to interact with him at all for that reason . Enemy team never told me to stop they were as engaged in the conversation as i was. But im not allowed to talk. you are completely correct .

Astr0nomic11 votes

But you see thats just it if 1 report gets it noticed why hasnt he gotten banned? If you put more reports in with actual comments there can be an active review of situation and get something done but na its ok you are right the system is perfect , i was in the wrong for trying to voice any sort of justice, and he was the victim not the 4 other people on his team who also said the same stuff. But they didnt get banned cause the IFS legit is flawed in the sense only looks for key words

ModPrandine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Richard Grayson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AUIBg4QW,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000020000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-06T22:43:03.996+0000)

KK so by that definition anybody that picks yasuo is harassing me . Im annoyed with their pick. But they arent gonna get banned because they are entitled to it. I am entitled to the ability to report people against the summoners code, and the ability to talk to enemy team. Am i not? Verbal and physical misconduct . I chose not to interact with him at all for that reason . Enemy team never told me to stop they were as engaged in the conversation as i was. But im not allowed to talk. you are completely correct .

Someone picking a champ you don't like is not a valid reason to report someone, nor is it considered one. If you dislike playing with and/or against a certain champion that's fine, but what's not fine is using that as an excuse to behave like a jerk/little kid.

As for talking you're allowed to talk to both teams but you're not allowed to verbally abuse and harass someone else. Even if the enemy team was okay with your behavior that doesn't mean your own team was okay with it, and as last I checked this was a 5v5 game and not a 2v5 game. You may not have directly been interacting with Teemo but it's still clear that your comments were directed towards him and arguably were meant to get on his nerves so that loophole doesn't apply here.

[{quoted}](name=Richard Grayson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AUIBg4QW,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000020000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2018-01-06T22:46:39.985+0000)

But you see thats just it if 1 report gets it noticed why hasnt he gotten banned? If you put more reports in with actual comments there can be an active review of situation and get something done but na its ok you are right the system is perfect , i was in the wrong for trying to voice any sort of justice, and he was the victim not the 4 other people on his team who also said the same stuff. But they didnt get banned cause the IFS legit is flawed in the sense only looks for key words

Punishments are handed out based on consistency and severity, and the IFS has built-in leniency so people aren't punished for having a bad game or two. You getting punished before Teemo simply means that you have a longer/larger more frequent history of reported poor behavior than he does. Also before you say it you only get the "a player you reported was punished" message if you're report was the one that triggered a punishment. Not getting it simply means yours wasn't the trigger one and not that a player didn't get punished.

No one here is saying that Teemo is innocent or that the IFS is perfect (they're not) but you're not gonna get a free pass just because he was worse so get over it. Don't believe me on that last part? Here's the official Riot stance from the Instant Feedback System FAQ:

WHY WAS I PUNISHED WHEN THE OTHER PERSON WAS WORSE OR STARTED IT! Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game. If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on. Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Gamplay offenses, which is what trolling/intentionally feeding are classified as, are on a more stringent review and punishment system. A first punishment for them is a 14 day suspension, with a second offense being a permaban. So, Riot tends to make absolutely certain that they have a legitimate case of trolling/inting before they issue a punishment. Every report submitted is reviewed, but if it's not a clear-cut obvious case to the system, then it is likely going to be flagged to the player's account and not given an immediate punishment. Riot doesn't want to accidentally punish players who are simply unskilled, trying new champions/roles or having a bad game. So, the system is intentionally tuned to where it requires more evidence before those punishments can be issued. It doesn't mean that they are not issued though. If a player is a repeat offender, it's going to catch up with them, and they WILL be punished for it. If a player does it once, and they have a clean record otherwise, it's possible that they may not be punished for it at that time, and that it will simply be marked to their account for later punishment.

Astr0nomic11 votes

You are correct and his actions affected the rest of the team. The rest of the team and enemy team agreed he was wrong and i simply was trying to bring it more to light. So stating the FACTS that he was inting just to bring it to light to the enemy team was wrong i apologize. ACtually done with how sensative these boards are. Facts are according to the summoners code he violated it, i should be able to state he did as long as i dont attack him. You see someone breaking the "law" and you start voicing opinion with others and conversing about the law. but because they got their feelings hurt you get punished too .

Astr0nomic11 votes

Oh theres a thing called replays that riot can more then welcome go into and watch. Clearly the system is flawed.

Astr0nomic11 votes

Exactly built in leniency . Key words triggered it cause i had been punished prior. HOwever i was still trying, not verbally abusing or talking to teemo , and i was right in my report. that system is flawed in every facet .

TiltoverEnforcer4 votes

Post your FULL chat logs. I have a feeling we're not getting the whole story here.

Astr0nomic11 votes

will do

Void Nargacuga2 votes

Just an fyi: right click on the image and choose view image if you copy and paste the url then everyone gets just the image and not a website.

Anyways, I'm in agreement with what Ulanopo says about the punishment.

Astr0nomic11 votes

but asking for reports while trying to deal with a troll isnt against the rules? I never attack him. Go by the law not what you feel . Meanwhile the kid that ran it down mid still continues to play and lose games .

Astr0nomic11 votes

https://gyazo.com/868c57250ff718e1cf7824e43788b21b second half of chat logs as requested

redniwediS4 votes

Why not just copy/paste it for us? That's what people normally do, but thank you for posting it regardless.

Astr0nomic11 votes

evidence this way there's no disputing its from the client not just typed .

Umbral Regent3 votes

So, since it's already been gone over by quite a few people, I'm not going to touch on the harassment part, wouldn't want to beat a dead horse.

The post you made a few hours after this one claims you were punished for saying "trash" without directing it to anyone - which is wrong. Lemme put down the specific quote real quick:

Richard Grayson: i dotn care if you trash a shit kid just dont troll

I think probably the worst part about this line is where you say "shit kid" - but I think even that was omnidirectional. Still bad, but, probably only worth a warning at the most on its own.

Even if you meant "trash" as a shorthand for "trash talk", "trash" (as a verb, not a shorthand) would still not be something that could validate a report. Example: "Yorick just trashed the enemy Fiora" - and other such variants can be applicable, too.

So, yeah. No real harm from the "trash" statement, but the rest of your logs were certainly punishable.

Blossom Dead1 votes

I voted yes without even reading the OP [slayer-jinx-wink]

Astr0nomic11 votes

Figured a lot of people do. Most screen shots of reports are long. TLDR never actually talked to teemo just asked for him to be reported then moved on to conversation with enemy team. But we have a couple people here that care about feelings more than summoners code.

dKiWi1 votes

support teemo isnt a troll pick; people do that in challenger as well

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