If You're in a Champ Select That's Being Held Hostage-

scribbles782·Aug 12, 2017·3 votes·1,287 views

I've never really happened to me, but I've seen numerous posts about this in Player behavior. I have the best solution for anyone who is 100% having they champ select held hostage by a troll.

Take a screenshot of the champ select. Use the snipping tool, and put that shit into a Riot Support Ticket. If the toxic player said anything in the chat that shows they're trolling, it's 10x better. If the player actually deserves a punishment, just let Rito do their work.

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MysterQAug 12, 20172 votes

It is a huge hassle to do all that. Last time I sent Riot a ticket asking where do I report his dude, I included my images (don't remember if attached or link). The response, "We do not take those reports here."

SO TELL ME WHICH OPTION. The dropdown doesn't have a report player option. Super unhelpful.

YokoNomiAug 12, 20171 votes

If the game proceeds until the end, it's then that you leave as detailed of a message as the character capacity allows in the report section to address the issue. I recall someone mentioning in the past that the pre-game and post-game are included with the evidence, but I'm not sure how true that is. Either way, reporting it by normal means should be enough.

MysterQAug 12, 20171 votes

NO!

Sorry my post got erased :( so shortly

I don't want to play in that game in the first place. I don't want to lose LP or have a terrible time.
I often forget to report postagme. (My fault sure), but the first thing I want to do after a toxic game is get away from them. I want to forget it. So I sometimes just close out immediately. Now I would have to use a terrible webform to report that doesn't even have a report option.

YokoNomiAug 12, 20171 votes

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NO!

Sorry my post got erased :( so shortly

I don't want to play in that game in the first place. I don't want to lose LP or have a terrible time.

I often forget to report postagme. (My fault sure), but the first thing I want to do after a toxic game is get away from them. I want to forget it. So I sometimes just close out immediately. Now I would have to use a terrible webform to report that doesn't even have a report option.

When you deliberately leave a game in spite of whatever circumstance, you deliberately take the penalty and revoke your ability to report the player. Toxicity may be a whole lot of grey, but this is as black and white as it gets. The biggest problem right now is that due to their report system being automated, it depends on it being linked to the post-game for efficiency, lest something go wrong. Anyone who plays a competitive game will eventually learn that we volunteer to accept both the good and bad of the community that's tied to it, and if we see wrongful behavior, we do our part to help correct it.

MysterQAug 13, 20171 votes

Right, but sometimes the problem is. We forget to report toxicity/poor sportsmanship. And the current system doesn't have a retroactive reporting system of any kind. So just saying use the postgame lobby won't catch everything.

ChermorgAug 13, 20171 votes

You're free to do this all you want.

The bottom line is there is no such thing as "taking hostage" a champion select. There are choices others can make that you disagree with, but the bottom line is that they're allowed to ban and/or pick whatever champions they want, as are you. It's based entirely on ban/pick order, not based on some perceived right to play your desired champion.

MysterQAug 13, 20172 votes

It normally isn't due to ban/picks. True toxic hostaging is "I'mma feed (usually if I don't get x pick)" or "I'mma feed if someone doesn't trade lanes with me." And the second example is definitely hostaging, because the game assigned him that lane and he won't accept it.

ChermorgAug 13, 20171 votes

People ask for reports in lobby for that. The only thing punishable about "I'mma feed if someone doesn't trade lanes with me." is that it's negative behavior/chat.

People would, if given a report option in champion select, greatly abuse it to report things such as banning champions, picking champions, picking non-meta, etc. Riot's working on a way to report in champ select (or they were a month or so ago) without these abuses being an issue, but they haven't gotten it implemented.

Further, even "I'mma feed if someone doesn't trade lanes with me." isn't hostaging. It's talk. If I go to a bank and say "give me all your money" they're going to say "ok where's your bank card". There is no violence in a statement, and there's certainly no committed act that would be punishable. It only becomes punishable as a gameplay offense once they do it while the game is being played.

MysterQAug 13, 20171 votes

Yes, it is negative. Obviously why it might take a bit of work to make an early report system viable. But even having the option there would hopefully deter (not much) a little bit of the terribleness.

IT ABSOLUTELY is holding the queue hostage. It is not talk. You can talk without ruining the team environment (unless everyone knows you are joking). You are right if they go and playa normal game it is fine, but as a member of the queue You don't know if they will play a normal game or not. I once thought no one would ever actually int even if threatened in queue. Let's just play it out we can win. 2 deaths before minions even spawn. Complete trolling. I don't think anyone should have to take that gamble anymore. It isn't FUN to be held hostage like that. Do this. Go to a bank, in a threatening tone say GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY NOW. You aren't going to get laughed at with a "where's your bank card common customer."

ChermorgAug 13, 20171 votes

From the Oxford English Dictionary entry for hold (or take) someone hostage:

Seize and keep someone as a hostage. ‘they were held hostage by armed rebels’ ‘taken hostage at gunpoint’

Notice how the definition says "seize". And both examples show a kind of force (armed rebels, gunpoint).

It absolutely is not holding the queue hostage, because by the definition of the word they are not using any force. Any actions you take based on their talk are your actions.

More than likely they'll not int. Out of all the "hostage" (not really) queues I've been in, if you make the person pick for their role assigned they'll just end up playing it. They may not do great, but they most times don't troll.

Talk is just talk. Without any action to back it up, it cannot be punished for the action. Trolling and inting are actions. They cannot be punished before they occur.

MysterQAug 13, 20172 votes

Most people understand that in our world definitions are evolving much more rapidly than just those expressed in a dictionary.

They are trying to force someone else to do something for them, with the threat of their words/future actions. The definition of hostage doesn't matter...but FORCE with their THREAT of ACTION. Sounds like they are doing something actively. The only choice the participants have is to appease him. Or dodge, because RIot doesn't have any other way out.

BUT I have seen them troll. You are talking anecdotally and ignore cases where they actually do feed. And the solution should not just be "Take the loss and report postgame."

TALK is punished all the time in the real world. Especially in todays environment.

ChermorgAug 13, 20171 votes

Sorry bub, definitions don't evolve just because you don't like them.

They are making empty threats that they very likely won't act on. Further, unlike in the bank example where the teller could get shot if they ignore the threat, if they start flaming you all game or trolling, you can easily report them after the game for a punishment.

There does not need to be any kind of way out, just people that are more understanding that there's no way anyone can force you to do anything in champion select.

MysterQAug 13, 20172 votes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change

Words definitely do change over time. And even though the word hostage is still in the dictionary as you described, it has other connotations, especially in our internet age.

So go to a bank. And start shouting for everyone's money in a threatening voice. You can't, you would get in trouble. Go to a public venue and make threats, you can't, you would get in trouble ("fire" in an x area). You keep saying these are just words without actions, but those WORDS are punishable by law. Boy sounds like you were wrong in saying talk can't be punished.

Right now your only leg to stand on is that you keep reducing this to an online game where people won't follow through. EXCEPT some people do.

You can repeat yourself 100x. I will constantly repeat that I have been in games where people threatened to int, I didn't think they would, and they did. And it isn't worth taking the chance of having a terrible experience and losing LP.

DNFVixenAug 13, 20171 votes

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I've never really happened to me, but I've seen numerous posts about this in Player behavior. I have the best solution for anyone who is 100% having they champ select held hostage by a troll.

Take a screenshot of the champ select. Use the snipping tool, and put that shit into a Riot Support Ticket. If the toxic player said anything in the chat that shows they're trolling, it's 10x better. If the player actually deserves a punishment, just let Rito do their work.

They need person run report systems again, and a way to report people outside of post game lobby.

Icy Hot ShotoAug 13, 20171 votes

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They need person run report systems again, and a way to report people outside of post game lobby.

They removed the tribunal because players, who where the ones basically running the tribunal, would say toxic players weren't wrong but those who weren't toxic were and people who didn't deserve it were getting punished.

Though I do agree they need a way to report outside of post game lobby.

Also, you can send in a support ticket. Either to add on to a report or report someone. You send it in general questions, and they move it on to the behavior team. I've done it a few times, and I've never been told not to. All I've been told is that I wont be notified if anything happens.

DNFVixenAug 13, 20171 votes

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They removed the tribunal because players, who where the ones basically running the tribunal, would say toxic players weren't wrong but those who weren't toxic were and people who didn't deserve it were getting punished.

Though I do agree they need a way to report outside of post game lobby.

Also, you can send in a support ticket. Either to add on to a report or report someone. You send it in general questions, and they move it on to the behavior team. I've done it a few times, and I've never been told not to. All I've been told is that I wont be notified if anything happens.

Not the tribunal, that was a mistake, I mean a system run by staff.