Toxic players

GoodwillIndustry·Jul 16, 2017·3 votes·685 views

Coming back to League after some time. Playing for a month has shown me that the community is more toxic than ever. What's more, Riot's system is as broken as ever. Maybe 1 out of 15 flamers actually get punished. Moreover, it's absurd that I get multiple games in a row with the same players that I reported. Apparently, Riot's matchmaker interprets my reporting player as "he really wants to play with these same griefers over and over again." It's disheartening to see that after 8 years, Riot has made virtually zero improvement to player experience. But I suppose there's a reason why NA player numbers are dwindling so much.

23 Comments

ReySolomonJul 16, 20172 votes

I just started this year and I've met great people and toxic people lol but if you want to keep playing just ignore them and have fun!

GoodwillIndustryJul 16, 20171 votes

You ignore them and move on. Next game you are stuck with them again, and again next game. Seems like at some point you gotta lay blame for such a system at the feet of those who came up with it and left it with zero improvements.

ReySolomonJul 16, 20172 votes

Well... if I do complain then I won't improve/climb up

GoodwillIndustryJul 16, 20171 votes

What? What does this have to do with anything that I've said?

hi ìm grootJul 16, 20172 votes

What you said was unproductive and whiney. This guy offered you an alternative way to think about it. Riots system could be improved but you've offered nothing, just whined.

GoodwillIndustryJul 16, 20171 votes

Lol, "whined." The whiteknighting is unreal.

hi ìm grootJul 16, 20172 votes

Lol wtf, what is whiteknighting about anything I said? I have plenty of complaints about riots matchmaking system, and I dont understand why they feel like new accounts should be dropped in silver which in my opinion is a large source of the huge skill disparity in silver. But your post has nothing, its literally just a bitch post, if you want anyone to do something other than what this guy did, which was offer you an alternative way of thinking about the game, then present valid arguments, what would you want different about this game.

GoodwillIndustryJul 16, 20171 votes

Apparently reading comprehension is not part of your skillset. All I've been talking about is matchmaker's inability to not match me with players I've previously reported. But sure, apparently pointing out a problem with the system is "just bitching." You are such a badass.

hi ìm grootJul 16, 20172 votes

You sound like a great guy to get along with and have reasonable discussions with that dont just devolve into you crying about how everything is unfair to you and the world needs to change to suit you better. You sir have much to offer, keep the dream strong.

GoodwillIndustryJul 16, 20171 votes

Right back at you skipper. It takes a intelligent man to characterize everyone else as "crying" or "bitching." Of course you never "cry" or "bitch," you are too much of an internet badass to do that. Have you heard of this place called North Korea? Nobody complains there and everybody just sucks it up and praise the dear leader. You'd probably enjoy that immensely.

hi ìm grootJul 16, 20172 votes

ReySolomonJul 16, 20173 votes

Because then I will get banned for being toxic xD.

TheViper7911Jul 16, 20171 votes

Where did you obtain your facts on dwindling players?

GoodwillIndustryJul 16, 20171 votes

Take your pick. You've got the cratering google trend interest (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=League%20of%20Legends/). The op.gg stats, 1,961,809 ranked players (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5bockp/opgg_statistics_2016_ranked_player_numbers/) decreased to 1,517,735 ranked players currently in a year (https://na.op.gg/statistics/tier/). Dwindling Twitch.tv streaming numbers in both average viewers and LCS viewership. Or how about the fact that Riot hasn't released stats on NA player numbers since 2014? Before which they were releasing annual reports on how NA player numbers are going up. You can ignore everything and pretend the game is still growing in NA, but that seems like wishful thinking honestly.

TheViper7911Jul 16, 20171 votes

Thanks for that info.

The only thing that matters though is income. The Chinese company that owns riot reported a 48% increase in income from 2015 > 2016. So if the playerbase gets smaller but all the "whales" keep playing and dropping cash they are good to go.

GoodwillIndustryJul 16, 20171 votes

Is your point that because they earn money that they don't need to improve their player experience? Because my point is that all of this ultimately serves to dwindle the player base, which is what you need in a healthy moba game. Decreased NA player base ultimately means worse LoL community and game quality. Additionally, the goal should be to make a friendlier game that attracts more people independent of how much money Tencent can make off of whales. Making excuses for a company because they make a lot of money is not a good way to hold that company accountable and motivate them to improve their product. Sometimes being a fan of a game means you have to give constructive criticism.

TheViper7911Jul 16, 20171 votes

It is a business. They are focused on making money. Unless people start refusing to spend money the only concern that will be addressed will be, you guessed it, making more money.

Tencent doesnt care about anyones experience. They care about money. Do you think that Chinese invest billions into a foreign company to improve your experience?

I know that this is a difficult reality to accept but we need to live in the real world. To the Chinese this company is just part of a portfolio that makes them some of the wealthiest people on their side of the world.

And I am not making excuses for them. You and I dont get to hold private corporations "accountable" especially after agreeing to the Riot terms of service in particular. They dont need motivation to improve their product. The motivation is increasing revenue, and that means more skins etc etc. Stuff that sells. Your fantasy good community non toxic gaming experience just doesnt bring in the overseas cash that Tencent is looking for.

GoodwillIndustryJul 16, 20171 votes

So the proper response to a company that fails to improve their product is to say to those criticizing it "shut up and take it?" I also very much doubt Riot has increased revenue from the NA scene. LoL has seen growth in South America and Asia, which would more than account for their growth in global revenue. In general, declining player numbers do not give rise to increased sales.

TheViper7911Jul 16, 20171 votes

You can respond however you like. A private entity has no incentive to take your input into consideration. They only care about making money. Fact is, they make more money every year and nothing will change until they make less.

StairCasexdJul 16, 20171 votes

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You can respond however you like. A private entity has no incentive to take your input into consideration. They only care about making money. Fact is, they make more money every year and nothing will change until they make less.

I heard that at some point before being bought out by tencent that Lol did take players in consideration a lot more then now. Not sure how true that is but I can say that playing from past MMOs that are controlled by money hungry businesses (KOG GAMES), income comes before the players and the only time the players come first is when income starts decreasing and they actually have to start pleasing the fans.... And then the cycle repeats itself.

It's a shame because most of these games including Lol probably could be so much better and end up having higher incomes in the long run if that's also important.

But yeah, your arguments are true, though they do care about the player experience to an extent but of course, money.

TheViper7911Jul 16, 20171 votes

Hey I dont true to argue, just point out facts to educate. I would do the same if people thought WalMart cared about their shopping experience.

Firefox711Jul 16, 20171 votes

I can say that I've recently had a game where I had a Jungler who entered the lobby tilted, was negative all game, we lost.

I queue up again, and I have the same jungler as last game, he was still tilted from the last game, we lost that game too.

However, in all my 5 years of playing league that's probably the 2nd time that's happened.

Perhaps I'm just lucky, or perhaps it's just a rare occurrence in general. Though, I can see this being an issue in higher elo's where the matchmaking pool tends to be smaller. (I'm currently in Plat)

So, I can't say I've had the same experience as you. I'm sorry you've had bad repeated experiences though.

GL with the rest of your games!