Auto punish anyone typing "report (champion)"

Kommissarw·Jul 27, 2016·3 votes·628 views

Supposedly, incitement to report players is considered Toxic by Riot last time I checked. There are specific grounds to report someone, but someone that wants others to report someone for no reason isn't being fair minded. They are not just being rude, they are seeking to abuse the report function & kill someones's account. This isn't good for players & it's not good for Riot's business model.

Plenty of players need a "short sharp shock" to bring them into line. Automating this will catch a swag of players that refuse to change & the ones that won't pull their head in will get banned eventually with no further human intervention.

14 Comments

Fondling GemsJul 27, 20163 votes

And what if I say "Please report <champion> for afk/racist comments/other offenses" I should not be punished as a player for informing the other team of an ally acting against the summoners code and asking them for help in bringing it to the attention of Riot.

AthinaJul 27, 20162 votes

Or, just report them yourself because that's literally all that's needed for an investigation to occur.

Fondling GemsJul 27, 20161 votes

No, people have to amass a certain number of reports within a certain number of games to actually be flagged. The only exception is submitting tickets.

AMYS GRAVEJul 27, 20163 votes

no, people have to be reported in a certain number of games. Multiple reports in one game do not help that, it only matters how many games they were reported in. Asking for reports does nothing to expedite any punishment they get, it only opens you up to be reported because asking for reports is itself reportable.

Fondling GemsJul 27, 20161 votes

That isn't how it works. It is X amount of reports in the last Y games. In other words X/Y.

If X/Y > Z then you get flagged and chat restriction/low priority queue etc.

IIRC enough reports in one game will also flag the game for a Rioter to look over but doesn't mean a punishment will be forthcoming.

The entire punishment system is handled automatically in an if X/Y>Z style except in the cases of high level punishment and tickets which are looked over by a Riot employee.

AMYS GRAVEJul 27, 20162 votes

nope. That is not how it works. its X games out of the last Y games.

IIRC enough reports in one game will also flag the game for a Rioter to look over but doesn't mean a punishment will be forthcoming.

Rioters have come out saying the exact opposite. It doesn't matter how many reports you get in one game, only if you were reported or not.

EDIT: source, RIOT TANTRUM

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/dBcmRkNo-why-the-reportingban-system-will-never-be-fair?comment=0002

Getting reports beyond 1 does not increase the chance or speed of a game being reviewed. So, the next time you encounter that player spewing off hate speech, just mute them and report them after. There is no reason to ask other players to report them.

Fondling GemsJul 28, 20161 votes

Yes, for a physical person reviewing the case this is true. However many of the low level report punishments are automated and I am all but certain that uses a report frequency system to dole out punishments. Also note that Riot looks as report frequency and type and collects that data. People have a tendency to forget to report, I myself "frequently" do it. (I rarely report so I consider frequently to be % based as I report maybe 1 in 15 games total) So reminding people that someone is committing a reportable offense help provide Riot with accurate data for as they stated, if no one reports we assume everyone enjoyed the game.

On phone so I can't quote or link clearly... also 6:30 am and I didn't sleep. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/reports-how-do-they-work

AMYS GRAVEJul 28, 20161 votes

report frequency system to dole out punishments.

Yes, the fraction of games reported in, not the ratio of reports per game.

So reminding people that someone is committing a reportable offense help provide Riot with accurate data for as they stated, if no one reports we assume everyone enjoyed the game.

Right, if no one reports it ignores the game, but if you report that game is already flagged for automatic review, and there is no reason to encourage 8 other players to harass that player.

Fondling GemsJul 28, 20161 votes

except that you ignored the other point I made that where they use reports for data collection and decision making which means that the number of reports in a game do matter in that regard. I will freely admit that I could be wrong about the number of reports in a game changing punishments although I still think I am correct (I think we can freely let that die as neither of us can agree on that and it doesn't appear to specifically be stated anywhere in regards to auto punishment.)

However the fact is that Riot clearly stated that they use reports as a way of determining whether there were issues in games and that they use the frequency, type, and number of reports in games in their decision making process. There are numerous arguments about the League Honor/Report system that use statistics about how the human brain isn't adept at remember to do things like that (I am fairly unfamiliar with the physiological process of the human brain so I would be doing nothing other than repeating other arguments but the argument is a sound one proved in multiple research studies)

If Riot uses reports as a way to gauge games and make decisions and human brains are not good at remembering to report after games then people should not automatically be punished simply for reminding the enemy team, which is the argument here. It isn't whether asking to report is effective or not, it is whether I should automatically be punished for combining a champ/player name and the word report in a sentence. It means I could straight up be reported for asking the enemy team not to report a team mate because say, they had a family emergency and the rest of our team fully supported them leaving (something that I have had happen multiple times and something I myself went through once. I was very thankful to my team and would have honored them all if I could) just because I used the word "report" in a sentence, possibly typing dom't or do'nt or son't report X person which would stop software from detecting that I asked them not to which is fully within the summoner's code.

KeepeJul 27, 20161 votes

Personally, I understand why people would occasionally ask "Report _____ please." And frankly, the "Autopunish" idea disgusts me.

There are two types of people who are asking "Report", and the first category is as you described. Rude and not fair minded. These are the people who just scream "Report this idiot." "Report this feeder." Those who are speaking more out of malice than logical reasoning.

The second category are those who are frustrated while dealing with individuals who are quite frankly toxic. Occasionally, they will be quiet and polite, asking for the report in game when the frustration cracks them, but most of the time they will ask for the report calmly in the after-game lobby.

This is an online game. People are toxic here. So, "AutoPunish", where is the "Fair Minded" model for those who are already being punished by needing to deal with toxic persons? Mute is an option, but it does not fix the intentional trolling. If you were truly asking to be "fair minded", you wouldn't be asking for this.

Shinji lkariJul 27, 20161 votes

If someone on my team ragequits or AFKs I ask for a report, if they are verbally harassing me I ask for the report post match. There's nothing wrong with asking for reports, it's easy to tell who should be reported .

TrulyBlandJul 27, 20161 votes

Player that has 15/0/20 stats finally dies, thirty minutes into the game. "Report X for feeding :P" Aaaand punished for making a joke.

Instant punishments based on specific combination of characters are never a good idea.

Koonta KintaeJul 28, 20161 votes

It's already automated as such. Rito's ban bot pretty much auto-flags anyone who merely types the word 'report' into chat for punishment. There are several words treated as such. Examples include 'feed', 'boosted', 'bad', 'ff@20', 'gg ez'. ETC typing any of these things or variations on them into chat regardless of context will get you flagged for punishment. It'd be nice if they'd release a complete list so we'd be know how to circumvent this nonsense.