Is this worth a 14-day Ban?

hEbo8jWB8E · 2017-12-21T08:37:21.407Z

Game 1 Regał: ol Regał: fucking play goofy Regał: jesus Regał: PLAY KID Regał: report this bard pls, afk all the time making me 1v2 Regał: goes without saying but, report our bad pls, hes trolling and not helping me at all, all i want is for him to paly Regał: report bard please, all i said was play the game and hes trolling and inting now Regał: bard you're a funny troll, i just spawned. everyone is reporting you so keep talking yourself into a hole Regał: irelia what do you agree with lmao, i hope you aren't serious Regał: you see him ulting me trying to get me killed lmao. so sad Regał: report this fool Support trolled me all game, this is all I said, and I receive a 14-day ban. Apart from the cussing in chat, calling him a goof seems a little soft to be deserving of a ban. With such tools as muting players introduced to the game, what you can be banned for saying in the chat seems to be very sensitive. Keep in mind this person trolled me all game. I don't think what I said was that bad considering the circumstance, certainly NOT fitting of an account suspension. I think the criteria for these types of bans needs to reevaluated as it seems to be quite ludicrous to me. Of course people will find toxicity in what I said but really, I don't think someone can be so mentally weak that it really affects them enough to have to report it, much less for me to be punished for it.

AltiverseDec 21, 20171 votes

Firstly, surely it is toxic. It has been said countless times that report calling is a bannable offense, and I don't believe an explanation is needed as to why it is.

Now, I do agree these chatlogs aren't peculiarly toxic. That's why I asked if you received a chat-restriction before, as punishments escalate in harshenss. Say, if it were your first punishment, you'd get a 10-game chat restriction for these exact same chatlogs. The fact that this is a repetitive behavior is the reason they become harsher. (And by repetitive I mean that signs of reform over a certain amount of time do "lower" your next punishment, if one would be triggered. So if you've come to a 14-day suspension, it in fact has been repetitive)

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

Like honestly, how do you define toxic? Is it because he didnt ignore it and be a perfect human? People have flaws, they have things that tick them off. And getting heated is normal. I get how you think he was being rude, I see it but still? is it worth being banned over? Tell me that. Cause banning is a serious thing, and talking in a chat is NOT worth a ban. A perm mute; yes.

AltiverseDec 21, 20171 votes

Getting heated is normal. Throwing it all at your team in the form of flaming is not. Oh yes, it has become normal in this game. It doesn't mean Riot is going to embrace it (well, they technically could, but they didn't). Instead, they decided to fight it.

It seems you've grown accustomed to toxicity (which is a good thing, on a personal level. On a bigger scale, not so much). But really, no other game I play has this much toxicity in it (and by that I mean, the frequency of encountering a toxic player relative to the amount of players you're interacting with). And quite surely not in real life as well.

@Perma mute, I commented at your thread.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

You're saying im toxic over a comment on a thread. You are so quick to judge it makes me puke. Honestly. They didnt fight it they, destroyed it. which isnt good. The people who get heated are heated over the game its self not the players. They take it out on whoever fights them on the toxic. And who said I agreed with being rude to people for no reason. Im speaking about the compettive side of toxicity. The problem I had to deal with. I dont tell people to go "kill themselves" or called them a "N word" I said you suck and you need to fix your gameplay. In South Korea thats allowed becuase it helps people get better. Thats why we are the laughing stock of the Pro scene. We cater to the spineless, we dont encourage strength we oppress it. I think if they stopped the who muting thing for a while (but didnt really) they keep it up and see how many people report knowing nothing will happen. And see how many reports come in. If you give the player power over others. They report for fun. They keep the flame going so they get them introuble. This whole topic has been done on many different games, and it has worked and still is working. Just because someone says something over the internet doesnt mean it is true. Its called getting over it. Simply ignore the toxic behavior and it will slow down. But banning is no solution. Muting is because it keeps the toxic players on one account and if they want to go to game trolling then they get the 14 day sus. But for the people who type its not fair for toxic behavior. they will keep moving to an account one by one until they get bored of the game itself because they wont help them improve. You dont prevent a problem by getting rid of it. You get rid of the problem by stopping it keeping them in the game and slowly reverting the negitive energy.

AltiverseDec 21, 20171 votes

Firstly, where exactly did I even assume you're toxic? you seem to be the one jumping to conclusions. (Disclaimer: I haven't edited anything).

In case you mean the "It seems you've grown accustomed to toxicity", I may have not been clear enough. After years of playing this game, I've grown accustomed to toxicity too. I don't mean I'm flaming people; I mean that I'm indifferent to any toxicity thrown at me, nor am I surprised to see any scale of toxicity. That's also what I meant by saying you are used to it - to the point where toxicity seems petty to you.

Elaborating on the matter, my point is that the fact that some players don't care about being flamed (either because they played for so many years, or just because they have a "thicc skin"), doesn't mean that others do not. Rephrasing it, the fact that you "get over it" doesn't mean that others do, or can.

Ignore the toxic behavior and it will slow down? I seriously fail to see the logic behind this. I can't even try to support my claim by counter-argumenting because I can't see any reasoning behind this statement holding true.

And as was already mentioned on your discussion, a permamute simply does not work. It has been tried, it has miserably failed. Permaban might not be the tool in an utopian world, but this is the best we have.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

When the perm mute was tested they didnt factor in the perm banning its the second strike, with other toxic behavior is banned. They only had muting and that was that. If you ignore it and try to help the people reform IN-GAME yes, it is possible. And you seem to have picked out certain topics I have spoke about not the entirety of the paragraph I sent. And when I said people dont have thick skin. I didnt say older people would have it and new people dont. Im saying people need to stop being offended over pixels. They need to focus on getting better and taking any help possible, even if it isnt the nicest form of it.

And exuse me? This shit banning system you have now? Robots run it you realize that right? It has filters you know that right? If you are toxic but you dont show the filter you're being toxic it wont be counted towards toxic behavior. This system needs to be fixed. Muting SHOULD be an option. Not just 3 chat reses then a 14 day then perm. Thats stupid. They need more reforming time and help. This system wont be fixed but needs to be. And how the people seem to be acting it wont ever improve.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

And simply stating you understand and agree, doesnt mean anything. This is a form for reformers. I've come here of boredom. I have no intention to help this community or come back. The community is fill with people of your mindset and I dont like it. Im happy in society I dont need a make believe world where toxic players dont exist. Get over yourself. and accept toxicity. It will NEVER go away.

AltiverseDec 21, 20171 votes

I didnt say older people would have it and new people dont. Im saying people need to stop being offended over pixels.

Can someone enlighten me how these two sentences hold together ><. (By the way, simplifying things doesn't change much. People also get offended over sound waves in the real world. Oh, such lowly beings.)

Yes, "robots" run the current system, and it works far better than when it was ran by humans. Again, the system isn't a godly being and if you're toxic but don't show the system you're toxic then you won't be banned. How to put it into practice is a whole different thing though.

Again, I fail to see why people should take a fourth, fifth or sixth cue after the third.

(Make believe world where toxic players don't exist? Didn't I just speak about toxicity in the last idk-how-many-comments. And why should we accept toxicity..? It's like a losing player in a game of chess would say "ACCEPT YOUR VICTORY", or an army in war with the lower-hand saying "SURRENDER!". Sorry for the bad analogies, but well, yes - you're getting punished if you're toxic, and it will continue to be this way. I don't recall being punished for not being toxic yet. So maybe toxic players should change for the sake of their own good? Sounds like a more promising plan to me than "ignoring the toxic behavior".)

Timethief49Dec 21, 20171 votes

Its herassment. The punishment system has 4 steps. 10 game chat restriction -> 25 game chat restriction -> 14 day ban -> permaban. If you were at 25 game cr and herassed others you will go to the next punishment level. You could also skip tiers for heavyer stuff like racism/hatespeech/telling others to harm themself.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

So you feel that a ban is fair for just talking in a game? You dont feel muting is a better choice?

Timethief49Dec 21, 20171 votes

Thats how the system works. They give enough warnings/punishments before the ban. There are no other punishment levels, so the 14 day ban comes. He says he had the chat restrictions already.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

How the system works? It can be changed, anything can be changed. Why the hell would it result in a ban? It doesnt make sense. AT ALL, Like even if I havent had past experiences with bannings. It wouldnt make any sense whats so ever. Banning for speaking is simply stupid. Its not handled correctly at all. For a company with countless solutions they go for the easiest and least expensive. That needs to be fixed. And once its fixed, the game will become better because its unique. Like with Dota for instance. They have a banning system and its NEVER used. Because they understand simple human emotions. They dont ban often over being toxic. They dont care because its in the heat of the moment. Thats how LoL should work. Its not as useful and therefore people get over there petty feelings and move on. Dont ruin someone elses game because you get offended. Grow up and mute it. Dont get someone banned over it.

Timethief49Dec 21, 20171 votes

Why wouldnt it make sense? they tried stacking chat restirctions basicly resulting in a perma chatban. People went from flaming to gameplay trolling. What solutions are there that you would concider? If you like Dota more, go over to dota. I had horrible experience with the dota community. People get multiple warnings and chances to improve their behaviour. The 14 day ban is the final warning, if they dont realize that their behaviour is not acceptable they will get thrown out. Its riots game and they can decide what kind of behavour they tolerate and what not. Toxic players cost Riot more money than it earns them.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

Here let me make it as simple as possible. Ill make steps okay?

--Chat Based Restrictions-- 10 Game Chat Restriction 10 Game Chat Mute 25 Game Chat Restriction 25 Game Chat Mute 14 Day Perm Mute Perm Mute

--Game Based Restrictions--

               ----Trolling-----
            10 Minute Queue Timer
            20 Minute Queue Timer
            Low Priority Queue Timer For 10 Days
            Perm Low Priority Queue Timer

--Cheating-- Instant Ban

SImple Enough for you?

Timethief49Dec 21, 20173 votes

And as i pointed out before they tried longer/permamute and it resulted in worse behaviour. So instead of getting to this worse behaviour why not throw the people out? Also why would trolling result in longer que timers? The punishment is always reflecting of the missbehaviour. Que punishments are given for people leaving que and making it longer for people. Trolls destroy games for other peoples, thus loosing them funtime, so they get a ban loosing them funtime by not beeing able to play.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

Yea im dont speaking to you. You are set on making players lose an account. I dont have the time for a money. Good-Day. I have made it as simple as possible. And you are keen on banning. You realize a low priority timer take over 15 minutes to start the queue timer? right? no point in banning someone over trolling. They wont get in as many games. And if you need a further point. Restrict their point of speaking. But banning is not a good option to go.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

Okay trolling ontop of leaving queue. Trolling low queue timer how many games can they get into to ruin?

Think about it captian obvious, its not hard to undertstand. Or you can restrict them to minigames. Im not here to pick he said she said or one side or the other. I want to fix the community not argue whos ideals are better. I see this option as the best for low account misconduct. But you seem to close minded to have this conversation with. So Ill find someone esle.

archerno1Dec 21, 20173 votes

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Here let me make it as simple as possible. Ill make steps okay?

--Chat Based Restrictions-- 10 Game Chat Restriction 10 Game Chat Mute 25 Game Chat Restriction 25 Game Chat Mute 14 Day Perm Mute Perm Mute

--Game Based Restrictions--
               ----Trolling-----
            10 Minute Queue Timer
            20 Minute Queue Timer
            Low Priority Queue Timer For 10 Days
            Perm Low Priority Queue Timer
 
--Cheating-- Instant Ban

SImple Enough for you?

When u make your own game feel free to make your own punishment system.

AcàhDec 21, 20171 votes

When a game has there one player notice board in North America I can post things as I please. Dont like it dont comment on it. it's to help the community not to be pushed onto them. Its what it seems like it should go to me. Dont comment on something with nothing nice to say other then telling me its not okay to post it. And put it into my own game. <Removed By Moderation> :^)

FegoneDec 21, 20172 votes

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The answer is yes, although I wonder why that would have anything to do with it. I feel like it should be based on if it's either toxic or not toxic, not just because I previously received a chat ban.

There we go. It totally depends on your previous behavior. You had a chat restriction before. See this as a warning. You ignored it, and still were toxic in chat. Now you get to enjoy a 14 day ban, because obviously the chat restriction didn't affect your behavior at all. Now see this punishment as your LAST warning. One more game like that and you will 100% be permabanned. If you really do not understand why this happened, I guarantee you will not be on the rift in 2018. Because that also means you won't learn from it and continue this toxic path.

Is this worth a 14-day Ban?

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