Will riot ever publish more information about their bans and the frequency system? Maybe I'm very clueless but how does the report system even work. It works based on frequency right? Is there a soft reset of when reports can actually lead to a ban? does the type of report matter? Just wondering if anyone happens to know any more of the black box details :D thanks!!!
Anraton3 votesWouldn't be better to work on permanently not being reasonably reported instead of making the gap "long enough"?
Great Muta1 votesThe problem is when you have Riot encouraging people to report as the answer to every problem and when you have players taking part in revenge reporting, tit for tat reporting, group reporting, reporting solely to get people in trouble and fake reporting, people let reports fly like auto attacks.
And why not? People don't get punished for false reporting(please show me cases of people being punished solely for false reports) and sending out a report is free.
Anraton2 votesreports with no proof will be droped .. being reported doesn't lead to be treaded if you didn't do anything wrong.
Great Muta1 votesFalse reports can get you banned.
It goes like this:
Most League players would be banned under the current low tolerance of the behavior system where words like retard can get you banned. I see stuff like "ez", "noob" and insults every game. This all breaks the behavior rules.
Riot goes through your history to justify bans. Since in #1, everyone says stuff that can get you banned, it gives Riot a lot of stuff to work with and look at when justifying bans. We don't know how far Riot goes back through people's chat histories or if there are any rules in place.
Riot is not clear on what negative attitude or verbal abuse means and most people don't know the difference and don't really care, but yet, every player can report someone for 3 categories. Riot also does not specify whether you were banned for negative or verbal when you get banned, as they just call it toxic behavior. This means that verbal and negative reports stack together. People don't know what each category means or don't care. Riot does not count categories separately, they stack them together.
People are not regularly banned or punished for false reporting. Look around here. The last bans for false reports are from 2012-2013.
False reports can get you banned. This is what happens. The reporter chooses multiple categories to report you, whether its legit or not. Once you hit the quota or final flagged game, you are immediately banned within minutes. If the report turns out to be a bogus report, Riot looks at your history and since everyone says stuff that could get them banned, they can easily find evidence proving that you engage in negative behavior and deserve to be banned. Riot also does not wipe false or wrong reports from the record, when a false report should be immediately discounted and removed, as should the punishment.
What should happen:
False report > Punishment reversed, report not counted and bogus reporter punished
What actually happens:
False report > Riot goes through your history for an unknown amount of games to justify your ban. If the report turns out to be bogus, it is not overturned due to "a history of toxic behavior"
Anraton1 votes[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9OR36u0E,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-13T14:44:30.822+0000) False reports can get you banned. This is what happens. The reporter chooses multiple categories to report you, whether its legit or not. Once you hit the quota or final flagged game, you are immediately banned within minutes. If the report turns out to be a bogus report, Riot looks at your history and since everyone says stuff that could get them banned, they can easily find evidence proving that you engage in negative behavior and deserve to be banned. Riot also does not wipe false or wrong reports from the record, when a false report should be immediately discounted and removed, as should the punishment.
Any proove of that?
Great Muta1 votesNot really much for contention here.
Once you hit the quota or final flagged game, you are immediately banned within minutes.
Bans are instantly done within minutes of the flagged/reported game. There is no way this is done manually unless Rioters have people 24/7 around the clock on alert to watch for people to get banned. I've been banned twice and punished tons of times, so I know. Your last final bad game before punishment = punishment within minutes.
Riot looks at your history
Riot says in its reports on you that "due to a history of negative behavior". How can they know there's a history if they don't look?
Furthermore, if you challenge it through support tickets, they will look at your history to confirm the ban or lift it.
Riot also does not wipe false or wrong reports from the record, when a false report should be immediately discounted and removed, as should the punishment.
If Riot can't tell me clearly if I was banned for verbal or negative, how can a player who doesn't care?
Anraton1 votesyou are repeating what you think they do .. you have any PROVE of that?
Of course you aren't treaded because of a single game .. being toxic means being toxic frequently ... to prove that, they have to do a history.
I am asking for a proof that riot isn'T wiping false reports. And i am asking for a proof that fals reports can get you banned.
Great Muta1 votesEveryone has a history under League's current behavior system. Words like "gg ez", "feeder", "troll" and "report this person" are used very commonly in League games, as is blaming the game on people and being negative(which covers a very wide ground of behaviors). Under this system, all of these people are breaking the rules and should be punished. If no one is being punished, then it might as well be allowed.
I am asking for a proof that riot isn'T wiping false reports. And i am asking for a proof that fals reports can get you banned.
I've already explained how. Everyone has a history. If a false report triggers a punishment, that person will be banned for their history. Even if Riot were to wipe that report, it would still trigger the punishment. And it would be upheld once a Riot support tech sees the history. We also have no idea how far Riot techs go back in your history to justify punishments and if there is even a rule in place to determine that(Would it be fair if they went back 100 games for 1 player and 1 game for another player? Nope).
We also do know Riot does not tell you if you were banned solely for verbal or negative(it says toxic behavior which is not a reportable category meaning it's either a combo of these, one of them or it's own separate category) and we know the line between verbal and negative is not very clear, leading to the possibility that these reports stack together.
Kei1432 voteshmm.. not sure what you mean about report frequency.
Are you asking about how many reports it takes for someone to be punished?
Have you checked out these FAQs yet? Http://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/sections/200382430-Behavior-Initiatives
Master Vemira1 votesidk, i get reported 9x everytime i play teemo mid, and the enemy jungle dives me all game, but, it's my fault for not playing from the fountain right?
99% of reports aren't even about toxicity, if someones flaming, fucking mute ad move on, like EVERY OTHER GAME IN EXISTANCE, reporting is for cheating, and people stalking you, and making ACTUAL verbal abuse.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesThat'd be…stupid. It sets a benchmark for trolls and people that want to cheat the system. A clear guideline that says "DON'T PASS THIS OR GET BANNED".
