Permanent bans

LaTortueVolante··1 votes·713 views

I have been permanently banned by riot games for expressing my strong opinions towards another player. I did not hack, I did not threaten, I did not purposely feed or troll, all I did was talk a little bit of trash to this person who triggered me in game and got his friend and himself to report me which got me permanently banned (I did check, and they were a duo, that's how I know they both reported me). Now why is that bad, I disrespected the league of legends EULA so I should not be allowed to play this game, right? Well, while that may be true, all I did was express myself, using a couple swear words, yes, but league of legends buffers them anyway (if I write fuck, the player is going to see ****) and if they disable that option, they are responsible for it. Now where am I going with this? I am suggesting that Riot Games implement a permanent chat ban system, or something similar, and only permanently bans people for things that actually hurt the community (hacking, purposely feeding, etc...), and I am suggesting they be a little less harsh, because currently you get a permanent ban after two restrictions ( chat restriction, two week ban ) and while it is clearly said in the league of legends EULA, I doubt people read that, and most people aren't even aware that permanent bans are a thing, like myself. Simply chat banning someone will deny them the ability to offend people with the chat. If people get angry over being chat banned and decide to purposely feed, then I agree that you should proceed to permanently banning them.

Anyway, thanks for reading and I hope this is helping.

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Twiggles7 votes

but league of legends buffers them anyway (if I write fuck, the player is going to see **) and if they disable that option, they are responsible for it.

You see though...

(if I write fuck, the player is going to see **) and if they disable that option, they are responsible for it.

There's a bit of an issue with your logic...

and if they disable that option, they are responsible for it.

A rather embarrassing problem at that...

they are responsible for it.

No.

they are responsible for it.

No, no, a million times NO! The players you lash out against are not responsible for your own lousy behavior. Only you control your own actions, and it really irritates me that you are trying to shift blame to someone else.

Riot does not ban simply for cursing, but for berating and cursing at other players. ("Fuck, that sucked." is fine. "Fuck you, noob asshole." is not fine.) Turning off the chat filter doesn't flag someone's account as 'Okay to verbally abuse', nor should it.

If you really want help understanding your ban, feel free to post the chat logs Riot sent you. I'm sure plenty of us will be willing to help you understand the situation at that point.

LaTortueVolante1 votes

It is amazing how much Riot Games is able to brainwash you into saying that. Did you just get trash talked in game and you wanna make it up to the bullies? Or is riot giving you something to write that? Otherwise explain to me why you're here and why you're supporting this CLEARLY BROKEN system. And anyway this wasn't even about the ban, it was about suggesting a new permanent chat ban system that you didn't even reflect on. Are you just here blindly supporting Riot Games hoping one day they will reward you? Because trust me, I have put 1500 hours in their game and all I got was a permanent ban. I just want you to let me in on your thought process and why you're blindly supporting Riot Games.

Twiggles3 votes

It is amazing how much Riot Games is able to brainwash you into saying that.

It's amazing how disagreeing with you means I'm simply brainwashed. I guess you're unable to be simply wrong then since you live outside the Matrix or something?

Did you just get trash talked in game and you wanna make it up to the bullies?

What even is this question? What relevance does this have to anything?

Or is riot giving you something to write that?

No. I just understand how their system works.

Otherwise explain to me why you're here and why you're supporting this CLEARLY BROKEN system.

You claim that the system is 'clearly broken'. I have yet to see any evidence of that. You seem to be under the impression that a mute function existing is license to verbally abuse people, and I'm telling you that that is fundamentally wrong. You mouth off like an asshole, the system punishes you. That's not broken. That's working as advertised and intended.

And anyway this wasn't even about the ban, it was about suggesting a new permanent chat ban system that you didn't even reflect on.

That's because other people in this thread have ALREADY told you why that didn't work in the past. Your preemptive response against that is essentially "Well if permanent chat bans just lead to gameplay trolling, just ban them then." My question to you is "Why give them that chance when they've ALREADY blown the multiple chances given to them by reinstating a system that was already PROVEN not to work?"

Are you just here blindly supporting Riot Games hoping one day they will reward you?

Why do you assume I'm looking for some sort of reward or recognition? And I suppose I could also ask why you are blindly claiming that the system is broken. But I already know the answer. You were punished, so of course you think it's broken. Because how could you ever possibly be wrong?

Because trust me, I have put 1500 hours in their game and all I got was a permanent ban.

Good. This is proof that even people who have been playing a long time or spending a lot of money are held to the same behavioral standards as everyone else. Hours and dollars spent does not grant your account special privileges against the behavioral system.

I just want you to let me in on your thought process and why you're blindly supporting Riot Games.

Again, you think I'm blindly supporting Riot. Maybe it seems that way to you, but I just genuinely know you're wrong.

You get a 10 game chat ban first. Then you get a 25 game chat ban. Then you get a 14 day account suspension that WARNS YOU EXPLICITLY that it is a final warning, and that further infractions will result in the termination of your account. You claimed in your OP that you didn't know permanent bans were a thing. This means that you didn't actually read the message attached to the 14 day suspension. That in itself implies that you didn't actually care about the punishments. Because if you did, then you wouldn't be here right now trying to say that you raging at other people is their fault and not a result of your own lack of self-control.

People are given PLENTY of chances. It isn't Riot's fault if they take those chances for granted.

LaTortueVolante1 votes

Why do you assume I'm looking for some sort of reward or recognition?

Why else are you taking your time to reply to me? You did not even address my ACTUAL proposition, all you did was quote Riot Games and say i deserve a permanent ban because Riot said I did.

I guess you're unable to be simply wrong then since you live outside the Matrix or something?

Explain why I am wrong. I never said trash talking was right, I only justified myself. Why permanently destroy all the progress someone has made just because they were offensive to someone triggering them while you could just permanently chat ban them ?

your own lack of self-control. your own lack of self-control. your own lack of self-control. your own lack of self-control.

I understand. Now stop using that as an argument because that is EXACTLY the reason I am suggesting a permanent chat ban instead of a permanent ban from playing the game on my account that I invested so much time and money in.

"Why give them that chance when they've ALREADY blown the multiple chances given to them by reinstating a system that was already PROVEN not to work?"

Mine is ''why not''? They can't harm anyone if they can't use the chat, and if they decide to purposely feed, then you can proceed to permanently ban them. They could even replace the two week ban with a permanent chat ban, it would be more logical... Again, If they still find a way to make other people's days suck without using the chat, then they deserve a permanent ban. But you have to understand how bad a permanent ban is. Permanent means that even if in 10 years I become the new Nelson Mandela and I make billions and give 10 billion $ to feed poor children, theoretically, there is no way I can get my account back.

hen you get a 14 day account suspension that WARNS YOU EXPLICITLY that it is a final warning, and that further infractions will result in the termination of your account. You claimed in your OP that you didn't know permanent bans were a thing. This means that you didn't actually read the message attached to the 14 day suspension. That in itself implies that you didn't actually care about the punishments.

How does that make sense? Me not reading the message means that I don't care about it ? No, I was just upset I was banned and wouldn't be able to play on my account for two weeks, and I didn't go and check my email to see what message they had sent me, I just stopped caring about League of legends for two weeks after getting the pop up that closes your client when you press ''ok''. And when my account was unbanned, I was eager to play again, so I didn't read the message and just pressed ''I understand'' which I think is justified. A couple of lines at the end of a message most people don't read is not enough to warn someone about a PERMANENT ban.

Twiggles1 votes

Why else are you taking your time to reply to me? You did not even address my ACTUAL proposition, all you did was quote Riot Games and say i deserve a permanent ban because Riot said I did.

I'm taking the time to reply to you because I am trying to help you understand the system and why your behavior led to your punishment. But you don't seem to be getting it.

Explain why I am wrong. I never said trash talking was right, I only justified myself. Why permanently destroy all the progress someone has made just because they were offensive to someone triggering them while you could just permanently chat ban them ?

I DID explain why you are wrong. You are claiming that the fact that you can be muted means you can be an asshole without consequences. I am informing you that that is incorrect. Mutes and chat filters are NOT an excuse for verbal abuse. Period. Full stop.

I understand. Now stop using that as an argument because that is EXACTLY the reason I am suggesting a permanent chat ban instead of a permanent ban from playing the game on my account that I invested so much time and money in.

1: I only said you lacked self control once, so I'm not sure why you repeated it four times. 2: The EXACT reason you want a permanent chat ban system is BECAUSE you lack self-control? Here's a better idea. LEARN SOME SELF-CONTROL. You shouldn't need to be given no choice but to control your temper. You should just do it before it becomes a problem in the first place. What you are basically saying here is "I shouldn't have to take responsibility for my own behavior. Riot should do that for me." Do you not see how ridiculous that is?

Mine is ''why not''? They can't harm anyone if they can't use the chat, and if they decide to purposely feed, then you can proceed to permanently ban them. They could even replace the two week ban with a permanent chat ban, it would be more logical... Again, If they still find a way to make other people's days suck without using the chat, then they deserve a permanent ban. But you have to understand how bad a permanent ban is. Permanent means that even if in 10 years I become the new Nelson Mandela and I make billions and give 10 billion $ to feed poor children, theoretically, there is no way I can get my account back.

I just told you why not! You even QUOTED ME telling you why not! They've already blown every chance given to them thus far and ignored every warning. Riot tried what you suggested before and it didn't work. They won't do it again because IT DIDN'T WORK THE FIRST TIME. And I don't care if you're the reincarnation of Gandhi in real life. If you make an ass of yourself in League, you need to accept the consequences. Nobody gets special treatment.

How does that make sense? Me not reading the message means that I don't care about it ?

Yes, actually. If you cared about it, you'd have taken the time to read it. How doesn't that make sense?

No, I was just upset I was banned and wouldn't be able to play on my account for two weeks, and I didn't go and check my email to see what message they had sent me, I just stopped caring about League of legends for two weeks after getting the pop up that closes your client when you press ''ok''.

You even say right here that you "stopped caring about League of legends". How can you contradict yourself like this so quickly and not notice it?

And when my account was unbanned, I was eager to play again, so I didn't read the message and just pressed ''I understand'' which I think is justified.

And you think wrong. Ignoring the warnings given to you is extremely irresponsible. You have nobody to blame for this but yourself.

A couple of lines at the end of a message most people don't read is not enough to warn someone about a PERMANENT ban.

Yes, actually. It most certainly is. It's not fine print hidden between the lines or anything. It's right there for you and every other 14 day suspended player to see, plain as day on the document. If "most people" don't read it, then that is entirely their problem.

I don't know how you can type this and still think you're in the right. Imagine there's a bridge out ahead on the road. There's a sign warning you about it, but you just pass it by with the mentality of "Signs. Ain't nobody got time for that!" At that point, you don't have a right to blame the road maintenance crew when you go careening into a canyon.

Analogy aside, this is the essential message. Ignoring a warning does not make you immune to that warning. Doing so is an extremely irresponsible thing to do for hopefully obvious reasons.

LaTortueVolante1 votes

You're so closed minded... You just keep replying with the same arguments... Open up a little and you might see that what I'm suggesting makes sense.

Twiggles1 votes

You're so closed minded...

Says the person literally ignoring every one of my points without offering anything in return at this point.

You just keep replying with the same arguments...

Because you have yet to prove any of them wrong. Meanwhile, I've told you why each and every one of your points is moot.

Open up a little and you might see that what I'm suggesting makes sense.

Claiming that you are right and that I'm just not 'open minded' enough is not a valid argument.

Please, explain to me how I'm closed minded. Explain to me how permanent chat bans make sense despite the fact that they've already been done and proven ineffective. Explain to me how your willful ignorance of the multiple warnings given to you means you shouldn't still be held to those warnings.

I guarantee you that you cannot do any of those three things. Not in a way that is both sensible and true. Simple fact of the matter is that you've run out of excuses, and now you're ready to just jam your fingers in your ears and sing about how you can't hear me anymore. Anyone not on your side is simply closed-minded, and everything you say makes sense without needing to make any actual sense.

I suggest you come back with a new account when you grow out of this attitude of yours. Until then, the reports and punishments against your account have made it clear that you are not wanted in this community as you currently are.

And now I bid you good day, sir!

MasterSomething4 votes

Talk a little trash

...

Triggered me

...Chat logs. Now.

Erdrik3 votes

Permanent chat bans was tried in the past and did not work. IIRC, the reason was that they will still be mad regardless and instead chose to troll via gameplay.

because currently you get a permanent ban after two restrictions ( chat restriction, two week ban )

You are missing a strike:

1st strike - 10 game chat ban 2nd strike - 25 game chat ban 3rd strike - 14 day full ban 4th strike - perma

There is an exception for hate speech, racial slurs, or extreme cases of toxicity, that will result in skipping and going straight to 3rd or 4th strike.

Which brings up the other flaw with your perma chat ban idea: They already have to go through 2 chat bans to get to any kind of full ban(unless hate speech), which makes it very likely a chat ban isn't going to stop their toxicity regardless of length.

LaTortueVolante1 votes

Can you please read the whole thing?

Erdrik1 votes

I did. Doesn't change my opinion.

I didn't mention the other stuff because I thought your post was more about your perma chat ban idea than anything else. But I can address everything.

got his friend and himself to report me

Reports do not lead directly to punishment. They lead to a review of the match for the player being reported. 9 reports are no different than 1 report, it just flags the match for review.

You were not punished because they outnumbered you. You were punished because the system found something punishable in your review.

if they disable that option(chat filter), they are responsible for it.

Incorrect. Other people are not responsible for the things you say. You are responsible for the things you say.

A chat filter hides the words, but not the intent. Being forced to Mute a teammate hampers team communication.

The preferred standard state is not having to use either of these options.

and only permanently bans people for things that actually hurt the community (hacking, purposely feeding, etc...)

Toxic chat harms the community. Just because it doesn't harm you, doesn't mean it doesn't harm others.

They are not you, you are not them. Don't try and force your perspective and perceptions on others.

because currently you get a permanent ban after two restrictions ( chat restriction, two week ban )

As stated above, this is incorrect.

it is clearly said in the league of legends EULA, I doubt people read that

Thats their fault, and their responsibility. Riot offers the EULA/ToS to be read every time the game is patched. You click "I Agree". Twice. Every. Single. Time. You would think that even if you don't read it, you would recognize the risk that comes with not knowing the rules and accept the hit when you receive it.

most people aren't even aware that permanent bans are a thing, like myself

Again thats your fault for not familiarizing yourself with the rules for the game you are playing. Its not like Riot isn't forthcoming with the consequences.

Simply chat banning someone will deny them the ability to offend people with the chat. If people get angry over being chat banned and decide to purposely feed, then I agree that you should proceed to permanently banning them.

As I stated above, they already have to go through 2 chat bans to get to any kind of full ban(unless hate speech), which makes it very likely a chat ban isn't going to stop their toxicity regardless of length. Why waste money and time building the system if it isn't going to work?

-- There. Happy now?

Reaper Review2 votes

There was a pseudo-permanent chat ban system before the Instant Feedback System was established.

As it turned out, players with infinite chat bans would just turn to gameplay trolling instead of toxic chat.

LaTortueVolante1 votes

I addressed that in my proposition, just read the entire thing.

EIven Rope2 votes

this game is lame. I raged and cussed at a player and I got banned. call the wambulance

Anomander2 votes

So you were toxic and want to blame the people you were toxic to? Seems legit.

FrankerX1 votes

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