Upcoming Champion Select Rework Flaws - Can I Be Punished?

She Looked Lv 18·Dec 9, 2015·2 votes·671 views

The new champion selection process requires you to pick two roles that you "are best at" or want to play. I often do not know what champion I intend to play going into champion select because I am pretty good at all roles and prefer to counter pick my opponents. If I go into a game being forced to select what role I intend to play, but the opposing team's first pick is TF, I am going to counter pick him with Fizz or Veigar every time regardless of what roles I initially selected. Can I be punished for going with an option that isn't one of the two I initially selected? Or am I supposed to select fill, and rather than filling I take whatever feels right come my turn?

18 Comments

ThePartyLeaderDec 9, 20153 votes

You will be assigned a lane/position. You do not have to pick the champion you have as your intended pick but I do believe you will be punished for not filling your position.

Two Turrets DeepDec 9, 20152 votes

I agree 100%. Sometimes I don't want to go top if I am first pick, but if I say I am going top before I know what turn I pick my champion, I have to go top no matter what? Seems silly.

TrulyBlandDec 9, 20151 votes

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I agree 100%. Sometimes I don't want to go top if I am first pick, but if I say I am going top before I know what turn I pick my champion, I have to go top no matter what? Seems silly.

You can always try to get somebody further down the pick order to swap with you; either champions (so they pick for you, you pick for them) or roles. Riot mentioned that team communication still trumps everything else.

Awkward CouchDec 9, 20151 votes

I believe that you will have 2 perfered roles, if you don't want to lane against a Teemo top, I can't figure out how to do that and that's why I will never be good at this game, then you should be able to go to the secondary position. But it's still in PBE so it could change.

ZombiemasterDec 9, 20152 votes

You are assigned a role at the beginning, and if you do not fill that role, then I'm pretty sure it is punishable. However, it is allowed to talk among your teammates to see if someone would like to trade roles with you.

For your example, if you see the enemy pick Twisted Fate, but you're assigned role is support/ADC, you are allowed to talk with your teammate who's been assigned to go mid to see if they would like to switch roles with you so that you could go mid and counter pick with Fizz. If they don't want to trade, though, then you must pick for the role you were assigned (or you can ask to see if someone else would like you to pick their champion for you so you can trade later).

SkadeglädjeDec 9, 20152 votes

I think people should read up on what the new team builder draft actually does since many in this thread seem to misunderstand the key concept.

When queueing you select 2 roles (or 1 role + fill or simply fill). When entering champ select you have been assigned one of these roles. At this point, you need to play this role or negotiate a swap with another teammember. Anything else is, of course, punishable.

You will not enter champ select with two "prefered" roles, free to chose or change lanes because you want to counterpick. At least not without having the rest of your team agree.

http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/riot-games/editorial/new-champion-select-roundtable

She Looked Lv 18Dec 15, 20151 votes

Is it so unreasonable that I go into a game not knowing what will best help my team win? As i said before, I am relatively equally skilled at all positions, and prefer to either A) counter pick an opponent, or B) pick a champion that completes my own team composition. I do not know what role that will be until after I either A) see what champion my opponents have selected or B) until I see what nonsense my teammates have in store for me in that particular champion select. Seems the new system is more oppressive than the few and far between trolls I encounter. Rito is the truest troll of them all.

OksanaandjoyDec 15, 20151 votes

Such an attitude appears to completely discount your team mates abilities. Your assumptions seems to be that you will always be the best person to play against a different champion. If you assertions are correct, then you will also be great at playing in the role you have requested or been allocated in the case of selecting fill.

Consider the positive side: you shouldn't end up in situations where nobody wants to take a particular role they can't play well, as is the case now. That can free your decision making up to play what you want to play.

Show some optimism towards your fellow team mates, buddy.

She Looked Lv 18Dec 9, 20151 votes

That is a pretty crappy system imo. Even more than people getting their best roles, I believe team comp and counter picks yield the best results. If my team intends on picking physical damage top, mid, and jungle, I am going to pick an AP champion in one of the roles before they have a chance to craft a horrendous team comp every time. I think that makes me a hero more than someone worthy of punishment.

SaintliestDec 9, 20151 votes

Well i think this new system is really tailored for professional level games where players are basically locked in their role. However i don't think it is punishable just because you wanted to counter an opponent. Of course it's all about communicating with your teammates. Also the new champ select isn't going to be like team builder where you are locked into a position, i believe it will be more like the way we champ select already where people say what they "prefer" but it's just said before hand. Since everyone has to pick two "preferred" positions that doesn't mean that they would even get either just like champ select already.

137434Dec 9, 20151 votes

There is a pick intent phase before the banning phase begins where you select who you want to play. That allows you to see any issues before hand and talk with your team to create a good team comp.

They could be stubborn and refuse, but it is not like that is something introduced by the new champ select. Under the current system they could still do that (and if you were first pick you wouldn't even know to work around it by selecting AP!).

I believe won't get punished for not playing who you intended to play. So yes teammates can troll you that way, but again that is not something new that the champ select introduces. There will be some trolls no matter what system is in place, you can't avoid it. The intent is to make the experience better for a majority of the players and to give you tools to avoid unnecessary toxicity (i.e. not getting role wanted/good at, not communicating to get a good team comp) that effects your performance in game.

Samus72Dec 9, 20151 votes

Wait a minute. This new team builder assigns you a role and if you don't play that role, you are punished?

Absolutely not cool. Who thought up that stupid concept?

SkadeglädjeDec 9, 20151 votes

It assigns you one of the two roles you've chosen. So if you pick mid / top you will be either mid or top when the game begins. You won't have to select a champ beforehand.

Just curious, what's wrong with this concept? It will eliminate most champ select fights and dodges since people won't end up in roles they explicitly don't want. (Unless they only know how to play one lane in which case, time to go practice some bots...)

Samus72Dec 9, 20151 votes

Oh, that YOU have chosen. Well, that's ok. I didn't enjoy the idea of the computer assigning me the jungle lane and if I didn't do that, I would be punished.

burritomomoDec 9, 20151 votes

you can pick fill and hope for the best, and not only that this system works better then someone trolling because they didnt get what they wanted. At least now you can say what you want first

She Looked Lv 18Dec 15, 20151 votes

Is there no one else that agrees with me? Everyone thinks this is for the best and won't put you in an unnecessary pickle? Are champion selection trolls really so prevalent that this is necessary? I understand another goal of this is making sure your team isn't filled with five support mains, but are people truly so poor at other roles that they can't even win a few games away from their "main" role?

SmokedAlmondsDec 15, 20151 votes

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Is there no one else that agrees with me? Everyone thinks this is for the best and won't put you in an unnecessary pickle? Are champion selection trolls really so prevalent that this is necessary? I understand another goal of this is making sure your team isn't filled with five support mains, but are people truly so poor at other roles that they can't even win a few games away from their "main" role?

Tons of people only play one or two roles. And those people often have huge differences in their skill between roles. On top of that its purely an enjoyment in each given role issue as well. So if w/e you decide to change when you call the audible for example had you take top from me leaving me with ADC. That would be an almost guaranteed loss because I am absolutely terrible at adc and I would be miserable every second of that match because I hate the role. I would dodge if that happened so it would never actually come to that but I don't think I am alone in that.

KorilloDec 15, 20151 votes

The good far outweighs the bad. Yes you'll have to play the role you get, but you get a happier team because of it.

If you truly are equal in all roles, then you should have no problem filling and can still bring balance to your team the role you have filled for, or can still counterpick your enemy in the same role.