What warrants a ban?

NaturalCauses··33 votes·3,637 views
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Hello League of Legends community I am a Diamond player from NA. I was recently playing a normals game during which I said %%%%%%%%%%% Bing Bong. I said it as a joke to my friend that was in the game. However the other team, another premade, told me they were all reporting me and at the end of the game I received a two week ban despite getting an honor at the end of the game by a random person. I am wondering if you all think this is a fair punishment because, for saying this thing one time, the following happens:

  1. Can't play for two weeks.
  2. Lose my diamond border and icon I have spent a year working towards.
  3. Lose victorious Graves as well as the chromas and ward skins.
  4. Go from honor level 5 to 0 losing a massive amount of honor capsules and key fragments.
  5. If I get reported again I can easily be permanently banned.

All of this does not seem like a reasonable punishment for saying, what in my opinion is, a slightly offensive thing. However, I understand that I am biased and could be wrong so I am curious what you all think. I have attached the chat log and would love to have a discussion with anyone about this topic. In the next paragraph I will give a brief explanation why I think this is uncalled for.

So my main argument is that, since I have not been punished before, this has to be considered hate speech as that is the only way to get a 2 week ban from nothing. However, what I said was not directed towards anyone and I didn't say it as a result of someone playing poorly or anything like that. So, this means that the words themselves have to considered hate speech. However, Riot has essentially told us what words are okay to use and what are not, this is through the automatic censor that is the game. Words like the N-word or the F-word are censored but %%%%%%%%%%% Bing Bong are not. This leaves me to assume that Riot is okay with these words and views them as non-offensive. Furthermore, the summoner with the N-word as his name, was clearly banned because of it as he has no games played recently. But, the person with the summoner name %%%%%%%%%%% is still actively playing. This tells me that those are okay words to use. But again I am biased and understand I could be wrong.

And I would like to just put this in that I have come to understand that Riot support isn't going to care about the individual so, I am not looking for this ban to be revoked because that will never happen, I am just curious if others think it is fair or not. I think having some feedback will really help me move past this whole ordeal.

Edit: Thought I would just throw this in at the end, I put in a ticket to Riot support showing them this thread showing that the majority of the community thinks this is an unfair punishment. Also I reached out to one of the people who reported me and asked what he thought. He told me he was surprised that I got any punishment at all and said he was sorry for me. The support agent told me that none of that matters and the punishment stays, even though both the community and the people who reported me are on my side. Whatever, Riot support again showing that they don't care about the player in any way, thanks for any feed back on this thread, you all had way more constructive feedback to give than Riot support.

138 Comments

ModThe Djinn17 votes

Racial slurs are not okay, even if they're not targeted at anyone.

And no, not everything is filtered, mainly because it is impossible to automatically filter everything you could use to insult someone.

Buff Jhin20 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9FVn5UEA,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-10-27T18:58:02.364+0000)

Racial slurs are not okay, even if they're not targeted at anyone.

And no, not everything is filtered, mainly because it is impossible to automatically filter everything you could use to insult someone.

If you think someone deserves a two week ban because they say something this light you should seriously consider making friends

NaturalCauses5 votes

Let's try to keep it constructive but I am glad to have someone on my side :).

ModThe Djinn26 votes

[{quoted}](name=Buff Jhin,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9FVn5UEA,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-10-27T19:29:44.842+0000)

If you think someone deserves a two week ban because they say something this light you should seriously consider making friends

I tried making some, but getting all the organs to work properly is harder than you'd think. Making people is DIFFICULT, and it's messy when you don't get it right. I'd make the worst deity.

OnlyYouCanHearMe4 votes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Can I come live in your basement? I'll be your friend, Djinn! I even have almost all of my organs in working order.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

{quoted}

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Can I come live in your basement? I'll be your friend, Djinn! I even have almost all of my organs in working order.

Sadly, magical djinni bottles don't have basements. All I have is three floors, a rooftop balcony, a movie theater, and a sprawling 75 acre estate. Sorry to disappoint!

Orochi3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Buff Jhin,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9FVn5UEA,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-10-27T19:29:44.842+0000)

If you think someone deserves a two week ban because they say something this light you should seriously consider making friends

agreed

NaturalCauses8 votes

Yeah that is a fair point. However, I still feel like it is an unfair punishment, with everything I lose for saying just one phrase in one game. And it is not a racial slur, it is an insensitive way to imitate a different culture. If I really wanted to use a racial slur I would use a word like "c-hink". By using an offensive imitation and not a racial slur I feel it shows I was not intending to insult anyone.

ModThe Djinn6 votes

{quoted}And it is not a racial slur, it is an insensitive way to imitate a different culture.

While this is technically correct in the strict definition the term "racial slur", a more accurate statement on Riot's rules are that racial pejoratives of any kind are not allowed. We typically say "racial slurs" as those are the most common.

The bigger question is why on earth you would feel the need to insensitively insult someone else's culture in a game. An "offensive imitation" is INHERENTLY insulting -- that's the only reason it's offensive.

NaturalCauses12 votes

It seems a little unfair to bend the definitions of words like that to suit your argument, at least to me. But, I never felt "the need" to insult anyone, I was just playing with friends and tried to make a joke. I wasn't thinking and it is clear to me now that it was not okay. But, in my opinion, that one lapse in judgement, that took me under 5 seconds to do, doesn't justify punishments that will last for an entire year.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}It seems a little unfair to bend the definitions of words like that to suit your argument, at least to me.

It's not actually my argument, so much as you pointing out a problem with the way I conveyed the information vs. how it's actually treated by Riot's systems. I will remember to present the information in a clearer fashion in the future, if the term "racial slur" is failing to properly convey Riot's policies.

I was just playing with friends and tried to make a joke. I wasn't thinking and it is clear to me now that it was not okay. But, in my opinion, that one lapse in judgement, that took me under 5 seconds to do, doesn't justify punishments that will last for an entire year.

Unfortunately there are a lot of quick actions one can take that have lasting consequences, and racial pejoratives are one of Riot's zero-tolerance policies.

NaturalCauses9 votes

Except to jump to a 2 week ban, what I said has to be hate speech. And I do not see how what I said is hate speech, and this could be the disconnect where we can not see eye to eye. Because, I don't think imitation can be considered hate speech, especially since it was only done once. Riot themselves says that to jump to a 2 week ban you need to show "excessively negative" behavior. In my opinion, what I said can not be considered "excessively negative"

Slay Bell Resets7 votes

i get called white honky all time yet they aren't considered insensitive slurs/pejoratives, this ban isn't justified in any way. I've seen people get away with saying way worse things to me. "I hope you get to witness your parents burn alive, you cis gendered hetero-normative male."

Telephone Booth5 votes

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i get called white honky all time yet they aren't considered insensitive slurs/pejoratives, this ban isn't justified in any way. I've seen people get away with saying way worse things to me. "I hope you get to witness your parents burn alive, you cis gendered hetero-normative male."

Umm yes white honkey is considered insensitive and a racial slur. The fuck? Lol, should be obvious. Try callig everyone white honkeys in game and see how fast you get banned. Just cuz you live around a bunch of pussies who don't call people out on their racism (unless they're white) doesn't mean it's not racist.

Ventra11716 votes

Didn't realize that the boards were filled with SJWs who think this is on par with saying the n word. It's honestly sad.

Fredoouille10 votes

What happens when you give emotionally detached man children power.

DrCyanide5 votes

Maybe I'm not up to date on racial slurs, but when did this become on par with things like the n-word or "kys"? It seems pretty out of proportion to me.

Would you getting a 14 day ban for calling your friend a cracker? Because that feels like it's the same level of insult as what this was.

Ventra1177 votes

This isn't a racial slur.

Ventra11710 votes

Honestly pathetic that Riot thinks imitating a language jokingly is offensive and warrants for straight up perma ban after no punishes. No wonder this game is losing players. What a joke.

PePsiLemoNN1 votes
  1. It's not a perma ban.
  2. You don't know if it's his first punishment.
NaturalCauses3 votes

It was a two week ban, which while much less than a perma ban, is still pretty serious. That is why I think it is overkill for what I said. This is my first punishment. To my knowledge, I have never gotten a chat restriction or anything.

BlueThingamajig9 votes

Words like the N-word or the F-word are censored but %%%%%%%%%%% Bing Bong are not.

I laughed. Seems like it is censored.

Edit: I'm not commenting specifically on whether the punishment was appropriate, but merely a humorous moment in the post.

NaturalCauses6 votes

Wow, I actually didn't notice that. That is my bad and it is a good point. However, I still feel like the two week ban is excessive. Even saying the N-word randomly in a game wouldn't warrant a 2 week ban, at least I don't think it would.

LitAF2 votes

It does actually, try it on a smurf lol. Friend was banned for 2 weeks caused he typed the N word in game.

Fredoouille9 votes

You were wrongfully banned, don't come to the forums asking for an explanation since everyone here is borderline emotionally unstable. Seriously league is the only game where you can say something this light and lose your account instantly. Prolly just join a voice chat, or don't type at all cus if you get reported for anything, weather you were toxic or not it WILL be a perma ban, need to be a buddhist monk or not competitive to play this game sadly...

Ventra1178 votes

I went to a Chinese/Vietnamese bar in New Zealand and one of the cocktails was called "%%%%%%%%%%% Bing Bong"

tieger058 votes

I'm sorry, but saying ching cong isn't racist. I'm somewhat from asia, I don't find it racist at all. Riot is turning this game ridiculously childish

Mizuki Zahra5 votes

my friend is chineese and his friends call him ccbb in game, he isnt offended and thinks its funny, but they use the short hand that way its like an inside joke and the automated system keeps our diamond accounts from getting banned

LitAF6 votes

I lol'd at this. ccbb pretty funny xd inb4 riot censors ccbb

Grìm4 votes

%%%%%%%%%%% is censored? wow

LitAF4 votes

Hey man just because Riot decided not to censor a phrase does not mean it's fair game. You could probably compose a sentence along the lines of telling somebody to go neck themselves and it won't be censored, however its in no way a justification to use it based solely on the fact that Riot decided not to censor it. It is a flawed and naive logic

NaturalCauses4 votes

Yeah, and that is a good point. However people can tell me to kill myself all day without any consequences, but I offensively imitate another culture one time and get a 2 week ban along with all the other things listed above, I just don't see how that is fair.

Nik Nikerson3 votes

Actually, they get the same punishment you did. Riot recently started to crack down on this stuff. People are getting 14-day suspensions just for "kys".

LitAF2 votes

In most cases people who tell me to "KYS", often do get punished(I know because I get the notification pop ups right after the game). Also their actions don't give you a free pass to be disrespectful to a culture you don't understand.

Slay Bell Resets2 votes

Unless you are Chinese you shouldn't be deciding what cultures get appropriated lmao. I don't need to be chinese to understand that they have festivals dedicated to eating dogs, and that until 30 years ago it was okay to mutilate your wive's feet to make their feet look smaller. Until 10 years ago you could drown your newborn child because it wasn't the sex you wanted, or you already had a certain number of children.

LitAF3 votes

Why would you specifically need to be chinese to decide what cultures get appropriated? Also nobody once mentioned anything about culture appropriation.

We can sit here and list all the inhumane shit every culture has done or we could stay on topic and talk about OP's ban.

Cowseed2 votes

Language isn't a culture on its own. And most times people are just trying to immitate the sound without actually inteding to offend. It's one of the hardest languages to learn coming off of english so it's somewhat understandable that it is going to be a shitty immitation. That being said there are those who use it in a disrespectful way. Even then it's not that disrespectful because it's the language being imitated. You don't see the entire world trying to nuke the ever living shit out the US for trying to immitate every accent and language on god's green earth.

That being said people should also be banned for immitating the stereotypical canadia 'eh', the Jamaican 'mon', the italian 'Aye', the spanish 'Aye coramba', the dutch 'da'. This opens a pandoras box of dos and don'ts.

Meh I'm over thinking this and I'll never be banned for this anyways so do what you will. Ban speech, I'll just stop talking all together. I'm just trying to make you consider how harsh is too harsh. I don't think people are commonly banned for using immitative language to mock other person so just insta-banning for something like this is a tad on the unfair side. I mean like if you innocently type something and you end up getting %%%%%% showing up instead of ****** then you're pretty much fucked and at the mercy of anyone still in the lobby or you just get banned regardless.

e46 Fanatic2 votes

{quoted}

Hello League of Legends community I am a Diamond player from NA.I am wondering if you all think this is a fair punishment because, for saying this thing one time, the following happens:

  1. Can't play for two weeks.
  2. Lose my diamond border and icon I have spent a year working towards.
  3. Lose victorious Graves as well as the chromas and ward skins.
  4. Go from honor level 5 to 0 losing a massive amount of honor capsules and key fragments.
  5. If I get reported again I can easily be permanently banned.

For one, nobody gives a damn what rank you are, we're here on a ban review and you bout to not have a rank at all if you keep the toxicity up. Seems pretty clear to me that you knew what was going to happen if you were toxic so why are you even questioning if it is fair? Enjoy the ban and cya in 2 weeks reward-less.

Pandemic Punch9 votes

You are way more toxic than that chat log.

e46 Fanatic2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Delusional,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9FVn5UEA,comment-id=00170000,timestamp=2017-10-28T13:10:24.017+0000)

You are way more toxic than that chat log.

He said a racial/offensive slur that isn't showed in the chat log he is trying to deceive people and seek pitty for being in high elo and getting banned. Call me toxic idc, I'm not the one sitting one a ban.

Pandemic Punch8 votes

You probably should be sitting on a ban if you communicate like this in-game.

e46 Fanatic2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Delusional,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9FVn5UEA,comment-id=0017000000000001,timestamp=2017-10-28T16:23:38.082+0000)

You probably should be sitting on a ban if you communicate like this in-game.

But am I sitting on a ban? No, so what does that tell you dr delusional lol? I am constantly honored and am a good sport but that doesnt mean I cant be real about things. Also you're wrong, just because I'm not talking in a positive manner does not mean it is reportable behavior, dunno what makes you think I'm being toxic

Pandemic Punch8 votes

You just insulted me several times in that response alone. That is report worthy for harassment and negative attitude in-game. I have yet to return the favor.

Your first reply to OP wasn't very nice either. You demean the crap out of him without him saying anything to you. Have you ever thought that maybe your insults might be toxic or promote toxicity? Do you see the double standard?

Just because you aren't banned doesn't mean you don't deserve one.

e46 Fanatic2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Delusional,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9FVn5UEA,comment-id=001700000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-28T17:43:45.625+0000)

You just insulted me several times in that response alone. That is report worthy for harassment and negative attitude in-game. I have yet to return the favor.

Your first reply to OP wasn't very nice either. You demean the crap out of him without him saying anything to you. Have you ever thought that maybe your insults might be toxic or promote toxicity? Do you see the double standard?

Just because you aren't banned doesn't mean you don't deserve one.

You're just being too uptight is all and I never insulted you, quote me, please. I don't go around bullying people and judging their gameplay and what not, I don't deserve a ban and am not banned for that very reason. Once again just because I'm not talking in a positive manner doesn't mean I'm being toxic. You are 100% just trying to blow things out of proportion and I'm not going to argue about it any longer. Mention this to me again and you will be considered harassing me, as if you haven't already about this topic. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

NaturalCauses4 votes

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I don't go around bullying people and judging their gameplay and what not

But you came to this discussion just to say this? Is this not going around and judging my "what not"?

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Enjoy the ban and cya in 2 weeks reward-less.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

"at the end of the game I received a two week ban despite getting an honor at the end of the game by a random person"

Let's be real here the 'random person' was probably your friend.

That aside, Riot doesn't tolerate racist language, regardless of being used in jest or in seriousness.

Slay Bell Resets4 votes

It's pretty sad that riot doesn't view context to determine whether the ban is justified.

NaturalCauses5 votes

Well, if I am going to lie about getting honored why stop at 1? Why not say I got 3 honors. What happened is I got honored by my friend and a random, you have no way to know if that is true or not, but I have no reason to lie. And I understand that Riot doesn't tolerate it, but the punishment still seems harsh to me.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

That's fair. I understand your point, but as others have explained in this thread already, any racist language is not tolerated period. Save it for your voice call with friends, don't take the risk of putting it through league chat where strangers can see it and report you for it.

NaturalCauses4 votes

Yeah, and I will definitely do that now. But I just think (along with 19/32 people) that this is too harsh of a punishment for what was done. I understand that Riot is within their bounds to do it, I just think the world is not black and white so we shouldn't pretend it is when giving punishments.

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