Should we be allowed to gain LP back if you DC during a game, but come back and win?

Sol Exortus·Nov 3, 2017·4 votes·3,068 views

About 2 weeks ago I won a game, but lost LP since I disconnected during the match for a substantial period of time. My internet went out, and I was unable to connect back for about 10 minutes, but I played the rest of the match out, and we were able to win. I feel that if such a case were to occur, we should be allowed to submit a ticket, and gain back at the very least the LP we lost, if not a set amount on top of that (Like 18 LP?). Doing this would provide an incentive to the player to rejoin the game, because right now the game is automatically treated as a loss, so your only "incentive" to join back into the game to help your teammates win. Maybe that's enough for some people, but I doubt that satisfy's a majority of the ranked population. Thoughts?

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28 Comments

MysterQNov 3, 20172 votes

Yea. It makes NO SENSE.

In fact it disincentives you. Why should I struggle in a game we are now (likely) behind if I don't even get anything. Like I still try. But I would understand some guys saying just end it, because it makes no difference to them.

Edit: Made this before finishing reading because I already agreed. But yes, you said the same thing.

Sol ExortusNov 3, 20171 votes

Haha, no problem. If my team is getting completely smashed when I rejoin, and they want to /ff the game, I have no problem with it, but I rejoined the game, and our Fiora was pretty far ahead, and the rest of the team seemed to want to continue the game. Feels weird that I don't get at least the LP lost back even when I submit a ticket ;-;

MysterQNov 3, 20172 votes

Right. I just mean other players WILL (probably) actively try to end the game quick. They have no reason to catch up in levels, no reason to try. They aren't gaining LP.

FOR JUSTICENov 3, 20171 votes

Tbh i always felt at the very least you should gain half LP if you still recconected after a DC of 5 mins or more, and loose double LP if you dont come back at all

Thoughts?

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

I don't get why you shouldn't get the full LP.

LP is an imaginary number with an intangible reward. Who cares if we have 500 Golds vs 501 Golds. It literally does not matter.

FOR JUSTICENov 3, 20171 votes

Because by joining ranked, you prove you want to be the best, so therefore are stating absolutley NOTHING whatsoever will get you away from this specific match. I think its fair if someone just made your game needlessly harder, especially if your in a promos

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

You make no sense.

You REJOINED the match. Who knows why you left, I certainly didn't intend to have a power outage!! If you rejoin the match, why should you be punished at all? Better question. If I am going to be punished, why should I even help my team win?

Absolutely it is bs to make the game worse for other players by dc'ing. But it is bs to make the game worse for people who are trying to actively play the game. If they rejoined, they are trying to play the game, why punish them (in the off chance they win).

And again, LP is imaginary. It means nothing. Riot should be more liberal with it in lower tiers.

FOR JUSTICENov 3, 20171 votes

So if its such an imaginary number, why do you bother queing up for it?

But tbh the problem isnt that they WANT to punish you, the system just honestly can't tell between someone with a bad connection or if a battery died or something, because all the server can tell is that your computer isnt connected to the game

Dont get me wrong though, i can see the logic if i completely did not mean to dc

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

I am doing it because there is a prize attached to this imaginary number. I could care jack right now about anything beyond G5. Sure if I got G5 and wanted to get better, I might care again, but it is literally just a number and a gate placed on the game.

And again, I am not talking about giving LP to people who disconnect. I am talking about giving FULL Lp to people who RECONNECT. If you connection dies, that SUCKS. But if you come back, it shows you are wanting to play it out. Why should you be punished for that (beyond the loss).

jodoboNov 3, 20171 votes

I wish riot had a system to be able to tell if you rage quit or your wifi actually went out and it wasn't your fault.

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

I agree, but it doesn't matter unless they treated the two differently. And the whole game should matter, someone disconnecting at 39 minutes and winning at 40minutes is way different than someone disconnecting at 2min never connecting and winning. (I don't know what happened to 2 minute guy, but I think most would say it is ok (even if sad) to punish him. But the 39minute dude, no way (unless he was trolling)).

InfernapeNov 3, 20171 votes

It wouldn't work. It would just be abused. How would a system theoretically know the difference between someone that genuinely disconnected through no fault of their own and someone that raged and disconnected their own internet to make it seem like it wasn't their fault?

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

Even if it is abused, the question is abused for what gain? Don't give LP forgiveness. Just don't give warning or whatever for leaving the game. Sure that might still be enough to be abused and we don't want that, but idk.

Sol ExortusNov 3, 20171 votes

I don't think a system could ever be implemented without being subject to abuse, but feel like manually submitted tickets should make you eligible to regain your lost LP at the very least.

Packun FlowerNov 3, 20171 votes

In both cases whether you rage quit or DC the bottom line is no. You should not be entitled to LP.

If me and 3 other team members have to suffer playing a 4v5 for 10 to 20 mins because you cant pay your internet bill or tilt and quit. Then you should lose LP. If me and 3 others bust our asses off to pull out a win while you sit in front of your laptop and twiddle your thumbs doing nothing, you bet your ass we dont want you to get the LP we worked hard for. Why should you get rewarded for other peoples hard work when you only made it harder to begin with?

We did the work. You did nothing. We get paid, you dont. Thats how it is and how it should stay.

MysterQNov 3, 20172 votes

So if I come back, should I just not help you then?

Why should I help you, if you don't want to help me? And I am not asking for anything crazy, just the LP that I should get for winning. yes it sucks that I dropped, but I don't see the point in being a jerk to someone who isn't trying to abuse anything.

Riot should be encouraging people to keep trying. Instead the DC'er has EVERY* reason to call for forfeit every chance possible. *Every being from a selfish point of view such as yours.

Packun FlowerNov 3, 20171 votes

If we are winning a 4v5 for 10 mins plus we dont need your help. You leaving has already made the game harder then it has to be and you coming back to help does not justify the reason for leaving in the first place.

Its not a matter of "Should i help or not?" its a matter of "have i already ruined the game for my team?" and the answer is yes because you made the match infinitly more stressful by DCing. Playing innocent does mean you are absolved of all wrong, the damage has already been done and your going to have to pay for that damage regardless. Its not that im being a jerk its that im being realistic. I am not gonna suffer for 10+ mins busting my ass off while you sit in front of the laptop waiting for your intetnet to come back on or take a little tilt break and still get LP for it.

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

That is your point of view then.

I do not hold that same view, nor do I respect it. But to each his own. I can tell you, if I disconnect I feel just terrible too (even worse than when I play a 4v5). I always come back and try to help win. But if I played by your standards, I should just come back and not try, which again is stupid for Riot to promote.

Sol ExortusNov 3, 20171 votes

If me and 3 other team members have to suffer playing a 4v5 for 10 to 20 mins because you cant pay your internet bill or tilt and quit.

It's not about me "not paying my internet bill", there just happened to be some cut-off on my internet for whatever reason. I had no control over it, and I'm sure this has happened to you at some point before.

Then you should lose LP. If me and 3 others bust our asses off to pull out a win while you sit in front of your laptop and twiddle your thumbs doing nothing, you bet your ass we dont want you to get the LP we worked hard for. Why should you get rewarded for other peoples hard work when you only made it harder to begin with?

Wouldn't you rather have a guy rejoin a game, and make an attempt to help you win the said game rather than just stay disconnected? Because right now, there is no incentive to rejoin. If I rejoin, and even win the whole game with some ridiculous play, it makes no difference since I will lose LP no matter what. This provides a player a way to earn their LP back if an unfortunate event like what happens to me, happens.

General Esdeath Nov 3, 20171 votes

No, because you're still a liability to any/all teams you get. It should be the first warning to actually make you think without banning you.

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

If I have a random power outage on a perfectly clear day? That happens once in a ??? once... I should be scared and punished?

General Esdeath Nov 3, 20171 votes

We can't tell what caused it, so this is the safer route.

Sol ExortusNov 3, 20171 votes

But this wasn't a rage quit or anything malicious. My internet just went out for whatever reason, and was something I had no control over. Do you really feel people who have this happen more than once should be eligible for banning?

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

Just ignore him. If that is how he feels, that is his choice. But talking with him will accomplish nothing.

General Esdeath Nov 3, 20171 votes

If it happens quite often yeah, but this is the safer route, as it makes people not play if they think their ISP will act up again multiple times in one day.

MysterQNov 3, 20171 votes

But how long should this mark stay on you. I do not play if I think something might go out (storms). But I did have a disconnect once, and I do not like being worried about being punished for something out of my control. I understand it hurts my team, but we are getting kind of off-topic.

General Esdeath Nov 3, 20171 votes

It takes a lot of times to be punished for it. I stop after 1 but that's because I'm trying to get plat 5 so every LP matters.

LumpyMilkJun 20, 20181 votes

This just happened to me and it does confuse me, I was only gone for 5-10 minutes for an outage that was out of my hands. We were way ahead before I DC'd and I was able to get back in and help close out the match. Maybe I don't deserve to gain LP but I did rejoin and play my butt off to get the win so why don't we call it even and leave me with -/+0.

On the other hand, I do see how this can be abused by people that actually leave and their team still wins in spite of them. (Just AFK in fountain and such.)

Maybe you should get +/- 0 for the match and depending on whether or not your team reports you AFK should you lose points.

Obviously, RIOT would know the best way to deal with all of this. I'm just salty T__T.