To Teams That Surrender Games When You're Almost Even With The Enemy.

Sir Pouncealot·May 19, 2018·15 votes·8,771 views

I'm all for democratic voting really, but how unlikely is it that I was unlucky enough to be matched with 4 people, one of which was my support that got me up to 10/5 bless her soul, a top laner that was doing well, a jungler that was okay, and with the only person feeding being our midlane Zoe. How on earth did they decide that it'd be a good idea to surrender at 23 when we were 3 kills down and a drake ahead.

It just boggles the mind.

25 Comments

Kozmo tin canMay 19, 20189 votes

The mystery of ranked: when your even with the enemy team your team wants to ff. When your super far behind the enemy team, nobody wants to ff.

IfnethMay 20, 20181 votes

Yeah.

fatherdariusMay 20, 20181 votes

People like that low hanging fruit.

CobeyMay 20, 20181 votes

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People like that low hanging fruit.

What does this even mean? Some people just have different ideas on what they want to get out of this game. If 4/5 people on your team are frustrated with how things are going, sorry. Yeah, this is a video game, I'm going for the low hanging fruit most likely, because I don't play this to become a professional and begin a career. I play it to take my mind off of the things I do on a daily basis that matter much more to my overall life progression. And I think that probably the majority of the player base feels that way too.

fatherdariusMay 21, 20181 votes

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What does this even mean? Some people just have different ideas on what they want to get out of this game. If 4/5 people on your team are frustrated with how things are going, sorry. Yeah, this is a video game, I'm going for the low hanging fruit most likely, because I don't play this to become a professional and begin a career. I play it to take my mind off of the things I do on a daily basis that matter much more to my overall life progression. And I think that probably the majority of the player base feels that way too.

Hey man, it wasn't a criticism - merely an observation (about our species). I'm as likely as the next chap to hit surrender if I'm not having fun or think it's hopeless. That's just a natural part of an effort versus reward matrix.

It's not a life or death struggle, and how well I play league doesn't affect my paycheck at all, so yeah...

Carry, Get Carried, or Surrender makes perfect sense.

This Is Your DadMay 20, 20181 votes

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The mystery of ranked: when your even with the enemy team your team wants to ff. When your super far behind the enemy team, nobody wants to ff.

Duuuude I never even realized that and now that you pointed it out it makes sense. I think part of it is spite, your own teammates want to spite you and force to you struggle.

Feel ApathyMay 19, 20185 votes

Sometimes you have to realize team comp is more important than your stats and forfeit the game when there's no way around it.

The Bearded BardMay 19, 20182 votes

Team comp is important, but you shouldn't give up on games at champ select.

Regardless, surrendering is lame and boring for both sides. Play it out.

jeanne mulaneyMay 19, 20185 votes

Surrendering a nearly even game can be frustrating for both sides, but you're fucking crazy if you think I'm going to "play out" a game that's completely lopsided. I play this game to have a good time, and when my team is 7/28, we're down multiple turrets, and we have basically no ability to play the map I'm not having fun. I'm surrendering that shit 10/10 times.

StupaflyMay 20, 20181 votes

Team comp is important, but the people behind the champions are the most important. You can have the perfect comp against your enemy but still lose because of a fuck up

KZ EngelMay 20, 20184 votes

kills are only a fraction of the game

enemies were 3 towers up, and you didn't get the drake the enemies did. your top lane was the only one ahead in cs. https://i.imgur.com/54lZFw9.jpg

ChermorgMay 20, 20183 votes

This is why I despise the surrender vote. Players who want to finish a completely winnable game are forced to quit because some people can't follow the "Never Give Up" part of the Summoner's Code.

AyzevMay 20, 20186 votes

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"Never Give Up" part of the Summoner's Code.

Wait. It's against the rules to use the surrender feature now?

ChermorgMay 20, 20183 votes

No - it'll never be against the rules to use a feature Riot made for it's designed purpose.

I don't understand why Riot makes a "giving up" attitude against the rules, but allows people to surrender.

Eternal TormentMay 20, 20183 votes

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No - it'll never be against the rules to use a feature Riot made for it's designed purpose.

I don't understand why Riot makes a "giving up" attitude against the rules, but allows people to surrender.

Riot's choices have been questionable for quite a while. With that said, I agree with you on why Riot is delivering the message. The Surrender should be a last-resort means to quit the game in case something urgent happens that forces you to leave the pc.

KarunamonMay 22, 20181 votes

And I despise the snowbally nature of games that turns an even match into a 1 in 3 chance after a single tower has popped, but that's on Riot for going out of their way to make the game not fun.

SparklingLamaMay 20, 20181 votes

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This is why I despise the surrender vote. Players who want to finish a completely winnable game are forced to quit because some people can't follow the "Never Give Up" part of the Summoner's Code.

you deleted the post why?

Sir PouncealotMay 22, 20181 votes

The surrender vote is understandable in a game like league, because of how long games could potentially last.

In a game like Heroes of the Storm, for instance, I strongly believe there should never be a surrender vote, because the longest game you'd ever play is around 25 minutes, and the game has so many integrated come back mechanics that its a miracle if there isn't at least one lead swing in a game.

Concerning the bit about giving up, however, I don't think that's referring to surrender votes as much as it is to people who get fed up with the game and start to active afk or int or spam ff.

Alien Bug ThingMay 20, 20182 votes

there are times when it is better to lose.

for example riots matchmaking system is setup so that each player will win about 50% of their games. they do this by making it so that if you win you will be put in harder games and when you lose you get easier.

but you can game the system. you no longer fall below 0 LP in ranked games. so if you want to promote, the best way is to lose like 5 or 6 in a row at 0 LP. it wont let you demote for quite a while if you have just promoted recently. and then start winning from there.

with each loss your mmr drops more and more so it becomes much easier to win and reach your promotion games afterwards.

The Bearded BardMay 19, 20181 votes

Only time I ever rage at teammates is when they give up.

I can't stand when people surrender close games

BanuvanMay 20, 20181 votes

What are the team compositions? What turrets were down? What was CS looking like? How much had the zoe fed? Define doing well. What was your CS kda? what was jungler doing that made them okay? How do you know what the gold difference was? Is there some option to turn that on?
What drake did you get?

More than just kda goes into how game is going.

breakordoom444May 20, 20181 votes

Theres alot of things that needs to be accounted for:

if you have an extremely good early game team, and the game gets even, you prob won't win.

PaintchipMay 20, 20181 votes

I’ll often want to ff if someone in my team says something toxic. I don’t want leaver buster, so ff is the bext best thing to get out of a match with some asshole you don’t want to play with.

Now to just get Riot to fix the ff feature to 10 minutes and a simple majority vote. And those who don’t vite don’t count for or against.