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Zentdaddykush ··1 votes·679 views
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So I want to explain my side of this story and why I think I shouldn't be banned, and I realize this is a permanent ban and I should've known this might happen but anyways. I'm playing Lee Sin jungle and I have a Vayne top. The enemy jungler xin xhao gets to top before me and I do a counter gank. I kill Xin Xhao for first blood but we both die to Malphite. So from there the Vayne starts flaming me, I continue to talk about what he is getting mad at, and asking how is it my fault that any of this has happened. I continue to play the game normally and I am doing quite good in the game. I am like 4-5 levels ahead of enemy jungler and like 6-3 at one point. I even ask Vayne if top has summs and if Xin does. I then ask him why he is trolling me, then Xin apparently afk's and the enemy team is saying report him in chat. I told them he probably afk'd because "I countered him so hard" and said he afk'd because "I shit on him early." Those are the only two comments I think are toxic, but I have seen many streamers and youtubers say worse shit in chat than those. I don't think those are toxic enough to deserve a permanent ban. Vayne continues to flame me out of nowhere, I havn't even said anything to him in the recent minutes at all. I ask him why he is flaming and tell him he is the one losing us the gank, and that he didn't even get camped. Give it, that he was saying that the enemy team has a better jungler all game and that I basically suck. I then proceed to say that it sucks to play with someone that is always blaming his jungler and never takes fault for what he does. I ended the game by saying, toxic vayne and to report him for being toxic. I just really want someone to go through the chat logs and the actual game and really determine whether or not this game deserves a permanent ban, because this Vayne was toxic to me; I never really reacted to his toxicity besides calling him out for what he is doing through the game, I played the game normally, I never used vulgar language at him like calling him names and such. I only pointed out how toxic he was and what he was doing wrong.

25 Comments

Jo0o3 votes

"Just got off a 14-day ban, better argue with a teammate for literally FOUR IMGUR PAGES worth of chat"

Come on, guy.

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

Tell me how arguing with a teammate is deemed toxic? It's like you can't type anything in league whether it be telling someone they are toxic, or asking them for a report. Explain to me the logic behind arguing with a teammate is toxic, I really want to know, it's like you can't even tell someone what they are doing wrong, that they are being toxic, or anything. I can't even tell my teammates or argue with them about a point in the game. Like if I were to argue with my top laner that he should've teleported in instead of sitting top, would that be toxic?

Jo0o1 votes

It's simple. When you're in a game of League, you're supposed to be PLAYING LEAGUE. Hijacking the chat system for, and I cannot stress the absurdity of this enough, FOUR PAGES of pointless garbage fighting is contrary to that. You're distracting your teammates and yourself when you do that, as well as ruining everybody's enjoyment of the game, when you act this way.

But even if you don't see or respect that point, it's still unfathomable that after a 14-day ban you'd still generate four pages of arguments in a game. I mean come ON.

Coopa1233 votes

You were banned for 14 days already. With your ban came a message saying that any further form of negativity or violation of the ToS will result in a permanent suspension.

The very first thing you do in chat is bitch about vayne and threaten to report her. Do you think this is not negative? Do you think bitching about teammates is what you should be doing after being punished multiple times AND after your very last chance?

You've been complaining about her the entire game. Your chatlogs just show that you're unwilling to fix your behaviour and that's why you got the final punishment.

The ban is perfectly justified and you won't be getting it back. If you wish to continue to play League I'd suggest you create a new account. This account is gone

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

Shall I pull up multiple screenshots of streamers, youtubers, and high elo players calling out for reports and or telling someone they are toxic? If you deem that to be toxic and negative, then 2/3 of the league community would be banned. I can pull up screenshots of multiple games where people call out for reports and tell people they are toxic. How is it toxic to call out for a report on a player that has been harassing, trolling, and flaming you the entire game? My own report does little to get that player a punishment, so I call out for my teammates and other players in the game that are affected by his trolling and flaming to report the player. It's like you're telling me to never tell someone they are toxic or that they are getting reported. That's like telling a robber that I am going to call 9-1-1, but it's illegal to tell them because it's mean.

Coopa1235 votes

Shall I pull up multiple screenshots of streamers, youtubers, and high elo players calling out for reports and or telling someone they are toxic?

Doesn't matter. Calling for reports IS negative and irrelevant. 1 Report = 9 Reports. Just because others do it doesn't make it right.

then 2/3 of the league community would be banned.

No. It's a minor, almost irrelevant violation. By itself report calling probably won't result in a punishment. Just like a ggez once in a blue moon won't get punished. You however have a history if toxicity. You were punished multiple times. You were warned multiple times. And you still crying for reports, and still complaining, and still berating your teamates is just prove that you're not able to fix your behaviour. THAT'S why you're punished. Not just for report-calling.

That's like telling a robber that I am going to call 9-1-1, but it's illegal to tell them because it's mean.

What a bullshit analogy. It's wrong because you don't even understand the automated ban system.

I give you a better analogy.

You and 3 friends want to call another buddy of yours. It's enough if one of you 4 calls your friend. You wouldn't tell everyone in the group to call at the same time to increase your chances ... would you?

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

Once again read this link.. Riot deems it not negative to call for a report on someone that is actually harassing and being toxic to someone. It is only deemed negative to call for a report on someone if you are using it as a leaping point of harassment. I wasn't using it as a leaping point of harassment, as he was harassing me, and I wanted people to know that he was. Learn the facts before commenting and trying to make me look stupid.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

I understand the warnings and all that, but those warnings never told me I would get banned for telling someone to report them. I was not berating my teammates, I called them out for what they did, and told people to report them because they were harassing, trolling, and toxic to me. I'm not getting banned because I was toxic, I'm getting banned because my top laner harassed me and I called for a report, which isn't deemd toxic by Riot. I also didn't know complaining was deemed toxic by Riot, complaining that my top laner is trolling, harassing, and being toxic to me shouldn't be deemed toxic. You should learn what happened in the game before commenting.

I don't care about analogies, it still isn't deemed toxic to call for a report on a player that harassing and being toxic to someone.

I would also have my friends call them too just to increase our chances :)

Coopa1231 votes

I wasn't using it as a leaping point of harassment, as he was harassing me, and I wanted people to know that he was.

And that is just because you have no idea how the system works. 1 report equals 9 reports. Go check the FAQ and read it for yourself.

Learn the facts before commenting and trying to make me look stupid.

Facts? You're doing a great job doing it yourself lol. I know how the system works. You don't.

I understand the warnings and all that, but those warnings never told me I would get banned for telling someone to report them.

I told you already. It's not just the report calling. How can you look at your chat and not realize that? You're constantly arguing, constantly shitting on Vayne, pointing out mistakes left and right AND report-calling. It's that combined with your long history of not being able to behave yourself.

You do know what to do when someone is toxic towards you right? Let me give you a hint. It's not engaging in an argument, complaining and crying in all chat ... especially not after you were already banned

I don't care about analogies

Then don't bring them up wtf. You started it ...

Average Gerg2 votes

Should have just muted. You type way too much.

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

My teammates sometimes type flashes in chat or type important information in chat. I need to see chat in order to play the game properly, not everyone just can /mute all.

Average Gerg1 votes

Top challenger players can /mute all and play fine. Why type a flash when you can ping it in a fraction of the time? There's no elo where you need to use text chat.

Ricje1 votes

Those are the only two comments I think are toxic

Meanwhile asking for reports, calling someone else toxic, asking someone you "shit on early" what rank they were etcetera.

Clearly you don't know that you're toxic. Let this ban be a lesson.

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

If I were to say, "It's because I beat him early." Would that not be as toxic? One cuss word makes that entire sentence toxic. Why do streamers, youtubers, and high elo players say worse things in chat live and not be banned? It's called friendly banter, I was talking to the enemy team half the time and they agreed with me that I beat their jungler really hard early game.

Calling someone else toxic, how is that deemed toxic at all? How are people supposed to know if someone is toxic if you don't call them out? I called the player out for trolling, toxicity, and to report him. How is calling for a report toxic at all, explain to me how telling someone to report someone because they are flaming me the entire game toxic? Explain.

With the "what rank are they" question, it was a legit question because op.gg was down and I actually wanted to know. If you deem a question toxic, then you need to reevaluate what "toxic" means.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

This is a common thing, where the banned player blames other players for their loss of self-control. I'll say here to you. That player is not responsible for your actions, what you do and say has a consequence. With that said, never argue with your teammates nor your enemies. League of Legends chat isn't meant for insulting, harassing, flaming, or retaliating. You are not to engage in a negative conversation. You are responsible for what you say. What you did wrong, you continued a negative ongoing conversation with that player. Regardless if he's in the wrong, doesn't mean you are obligated to encourage it. Since this is a common thing for you to do, you got banned for it.

You harassed the player for asking for a report and a negative conversation. Doesn't matter if you feel the need to defend yourself because don't, and the only thing you're expected to do is mute the player. That means, mute, play the game, report, and move on.

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

So by your logic, there should be a ban on every single player in probably diamond elo and below, how is calling out for someone being toxic and asking for a report harassing them? Shall I pull up screen shots of challenger games, streamers, and youtubers where people call out for reports in all chat and call people toxic? One report does nothing to ban a player, if multiple people report because the person is actually being toxic; that will help get that player a punishment.

As for the conversation, is it actually toxic to continue a conversation? What deems a conversation negative? What is it to say I should get banned for continuing a conversation through League of Legends. That is like saying I am not able to talk to anybody if they say anything to me at all, or question people why they are trolling, and why they are flaming. You're literally telling me to not be able to type to anybody in chat, question them, or tell them anything if you deem it negative.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

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One report does nothing to ban a player, if multiple people report because the person is actually being toxic; that will help get that player a punishment.

Actually, Riot has stated multiple times that reports do not stack. If a person is reported once in a game it is measured the same as if they are reported by all 9 other players.

All that reporting does is flag the game for review. It doesn't matter how many reports are submitted for a player during that game.

The code is literally:

If (# of reports) > 0 Then (investigate the player's behavior in that match to see if it is punishable)

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

Okay, so that still doesn't answer my question. How is calling someone out for their toxicity, and asking for a report harassing? The other player is clearly harassing and trolling me, so he deserves a punishment. It's like telling me I can't tell someone to call 9-1-1 on a criminal because it would be harassing that certain criminal. Why is it deemed toxic to call someone out for what they are doing and asking people to report that certain player?

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Okay, I understand your confusion.

Before I get into it I just want to clarify, I'm not blaming you or accusing you of anything, I'm just trying to explain it as best I can for you to understand too.

Let's look at it in terms of states. The player has said something negative to or about you, and you are rightfully upset. But you need to think about the different states the player could be in.

The most likely 2 states are either 1: tilted or 2: trolling to elicit a response.

Now lets think about it from each state.

If they are trolling then they want a reaction out of you. Would they like it if you complained about them? Probably, because it means that what they did worked and got under your skin. Now if they know it worked and they want more reactions, would they want to do even more to troll? Probably. See how this makes responding or complaining about them counterproductive?

If they are tilted and upset and then somebody complains about them, do you think it would make them calm or would it make them angrier? Angrier, right? Now if a person is made even angrier then they are likely to tilt harder, right? And this would make them even less willing to cooperate with the team. So once again, responding by blaming them or calling for reports against them only makes the situation worse.

Basically it comes down to measuring the possible outcomes and weighing the benefit of your actions. Riot sees that the act of asking for players to report a player whom you are frustrated with only adds to the negative environment, because it's most likely outcome is that player behaving even worse, regardless of whether they are trolling or just having a bad game.

I'm fairly certain this is why Riot considers it punishable to call for reports against other players. Because in cases of trolling it just feeds the troll and in cases of someone having a rough game it does constitute harassment that is making them feel worse.

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

Okay then let me explain this.

First off, you're making it seem like the Vayne did nothing wrong. In my case, the Vayne started trolling, harassing, and flaming me. I know you cannot see the chat logs, but Riot can. I can %100 say that the Vayne was trolling, flaming, and harassing me. Nothing I said to the Vayne would make him feel worse, he is the one who should see consequences for his actions, as he did flame me and troll me through the entirety of the game. I called out the player for what he is doing and I even asked him why he was trolling me. The Vayne should see the negative outcomes of his actions and see that flaming his team, trolling his team, and being toxic to everyone wasn't good for the environment. I just need a riot employee to actually look through this game and determine it.

As for you saying Riot considers it punishable to call for reports on other players, please click this link, and read that it isn't punishable at all.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

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Okay then let me explain this.

First off, you're making it seem like the Vayne did nothing wrong. In my case, the Vayne started trolling, harassing, and flaming me. I know you cannot see the chat logs, but Riot can. I can %100 say that the Vayne was trolling, flaming, and harassing me. Nothing I said to the Vayne would make him feel worse, he is the one who should see consequences for his actions, as he did flame me and troll me through the entirety of the game. I called out the player for what he is doing and I even asked him why he was trolling me. The Vayne should see the negative outcomes of his actions and see that flaming his team, trolling his team, and being toxic to everyone wasn't good for the environment. I just need a riot employee to actually look through this game and determine it.

As for you saying Riot considers it punishable to call for reports on other players, please click this link, and read that it isn't punishable at all.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Also, If you're going to say I used the reporting as a leaping point for harassment; I wasn't. I used it as a plea for help and to get the player punished that I was asking them to report. That is not harassment as clarified by Riot in that link.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Alright, take it easy buddy. Like I said before, I don't think you're at fault for anything, I'm simply trying to explain what I know about human behavior and how it relates to trolling / bad games.

I was providing both examples for fairness sake, not for the purpose of painting the other player like an innocent person.

Did you read all of my earlier comment or did my words about the other player possibly having a bad game just upset you too much to finish reading my comment? Again, not blaming you, I'm just checking before I assume you understood all of what I've said so far.

Zentdaddykush 1 votes

I read your comment about the player possibly having a bad game, I realize people can have bad games, I have some myself also. But in this instance, the player was doing perfectly fine, we were doing well in the game, as I have explained; but the player just continued to troll and harass me. It didn't upset me too much to finish reading your comment, so you can keep that snarky comment to your self.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

How many different ways do I have to say that I mean no offense? I wasn't being snarky and I am not looking down on you. I'm legit just trying to reach an understanding. Back to the discussion:

So in this case the player in question was trolling you. So we look to my example about trolls. If they are trolling you, they want a reaction. By giving them a reaction, you signal to them that what they did worked to upset you. If their goal was to upset you then this makes them want to do it more.

This sucks, and that player was a complete asshole for doing that to you, but nothing you can do in that moment will stop them from doing it more. Speaking up only feeds into it and encourages it more.

This is why Riot does not want you to react to the player or complain in chat about them. The best course of action in this sort of situation is almost always to just mute the player and report them after the game is over.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

Has nothing to do with my logic. It's understanding the concept what other players are feeling, and thinking how it would feel on their end, understanding the fact if it's toxic enough to get punished for it. Which isn't at all complex to understand. There you go again, bring other players in your case when this has nothing to do with anyone else. Just like Riot, when it comes to the case, we only care about YOUR action what choices YOU decided to make and say. Which is what brought you your punishment. What you did in your case where the choices you made. What other players do or act should be no concern of your's nor does it have anything to why you got punished. You were punished because, in your head, you thought it was okay to retaliate against the player you were harassing. What deems negative you endlessly kept calling Vayne toxic, asking for a report and blaming the game on her. No one wants that, nor do anyone want to see anyone else doing it.

Always remember, what you do is on you, what you say, is on you. League of Legends chat is nowhere near complex to understand. Nothing about it is. You either be nice, make strategies, and be civil or you don't say anything and just play the game for what it is. If the player is toxic or harassing anyone the ONLY thing you're expected to do is either ignore the player or mute him. That's all the chat is for. Also, don't chat so much because the game isn't a chat room. It's a communication mechanic for short info. There are more important things to do other than typing every 4sec insulting, harassing and threatening players. Only use the chat for, compliments, enemies location, letting players know your strategies or any other helpful encouraging info.

Negative Attitudes

  • passive aggressiveness
  • bigotry
  • hostility
  • hate speech
  • harassment
  • intentional feeding
  • antagonizing others
  • threatening
  • insulting
  • trolling

What you should be doing and ONLY should be doing in the chat is:

Summoner's Code

  • SUPPORT YOUR TEAM
  • DRIVE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK (without insulting)
  • FACILITATE CIVIL DISCUSSION
  • ENJOY YOURSELF, BUT NOT AT ANYONE ELSE'S EXPENSE
  • BUILD RELATIONSHIPS
  • SHOW HUMILITY IN VICTORY, AND GRACE IN DEFEAT
  • BE RESOLUTE, NOT INDIGNANT
  • LEAVE NO NEWBIE BEHIND!
  • LEAD BY EXAMPLE

PS: No Players are responsible for the actions you did to cause your punishment. Only you and you alone are.

MBausK1 votes

After 4 Chat restrictions during 6 seasons of playing i finally realized that a simple "use pings, i mute all" at the beginning of the game saves u from getting punishments. You can literally mute everyone every game without missing any essential information. All you read in chat is either a "wp" or a "kys", so there is no reason to even have the chat enabled. Any information of value can be pinged.

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