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Why does riot punish victims of trolling?

Vikådin··6 votes·1,197 views

This has been happening more and more. Premades joining my ranked games playing champs specifically to grief their team mates (I'm sure some of you have seen the Tahm Kench who loves to spit his team mates out under turrets and enemies over and over and over and over again in a manner that could not possibly be described as anything but griefing by anybody with at least half a brain) and then getting the whole lobby to report the player. In my case, it was tahm kench and tristana. I read the rules about posting in game actions here, so I won't go into specifics. The jist of it is that this tahm used his teleport and his devour almost exclusively to torment me in bot lane for the better part of 45 minutes. He did literally nothing but spit me out under turret fire, or into entire enemy teams. His premade partner tristana would similarly leap behind full HP enemies and blast them into my retreating figure.

Despite this I was so terrified by Riot's stance on perma banning anybody who dares express their frustration, I said only 2 or 3 times to my mid and jungler, "I am not feeding, they are trolling me. Please look bot, they are trolling me." before I muted them and simply continued to play my best.

We've all been in games we want to get out of, but have you ever been stuck for 45 minutes on a team where despite your best efforts, 2 of the players on your team try constantly to get you killed while the other 2 do nothing but blame you? It was hell. And the only reason I continued to ward and hook and snare and shield and play my absolute best is because I truly am trying to avoid the perma ban Riot is no doubt going to give me for being the victim of these trolls.

I didn't flame these people in the lobby. I didn't flame them in the game. I didn't degrade myself to their level. I didn't curse or swear. At no point did I ever stop playing to win. I ended the game with a score of 0/12/8. The 8 assists was because I would use being thrown under the turret to bait a hook on an enemy champ and net the team a kill, EVEN THOUGH I WAS BEING TROLLED.

Riot will punish me, I'm sure. And they'll let these trolls continue their behavior, of that I am also sure. What I'm not sure of is how or why we let our game turn into this. Where trolls use the systems supposedly in place to protect us, in order to punish and ban us, on top of ruining our games.

This isn't a QQ thread, it's a serious question to the community. Are we going to keep letting trolls abuse the system to perma ban legitimate players who are just frustrated?

Want more proof this is a real thing? Players even post and brag about it in the forums, like this for instance

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/g047OoEn-undeniable-proof-that-trolls-do-not-get-banned

> tl;dr - I trolled 250 ranked games with no punishment to prove Riot does absolutely nothing to address trolls. > > Edit: I just want to point out that someone from Riot saw this and decided "naw, let him go, he doesnt verbally abuse his teammates so its cool"

Need more proof?

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/cFI66ZM2-proof-riot-doesnt-ban-trolls-and-inters

> Its been 50games, each one ofthem he has summs like clarity barrier, heal ghost, smite teleport. Each game he builds 6 tears, or 6 boots, 6 long swords or daggers, just troll. And each game he runs down mid, feeds as much as he can. And on and on and on. And each game, he asks his teamates and also enemyes to please report him all for inting. Its been 50+ games, and the account recived no punishments what so ever. But here is the hillarious part. OFc, while he does this, many people are upset about it and write at him. One game, he decided to just try how much does riot not care, so he reported one of his teamates for verbal abuse..... we couldnt stop rofling when 5 minutes later he recived a message saying due to his report a toxic player got punished and "thank you for keeping league community a sportsmanlike place".... with a history of 0/30 games....

This has been an on-going problem FOR YEARS. This guy really laid out his experiment nicely..

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/HrAP80KZ-trolling-experiment-why-many-trolls-dont-get-banned

TL DR; keep punishing victims of trolls and you will create the hyper smart trolls we see today. Riot, your policy of banning people for words when there is a mute function has been absurd for years and continued to be absurd. What is even more absurd is how you allow trolls who simply do not use chat, to troll people into getting banned. Stop banning victims. Start stopping trolls. There's hundreds of forum subjects like this. I know I'm screaming in the wind here and nobody is listening. After all, why would you invest money fixing a problem that generates so much new income for you? All these banned players want their champs and skins back, after all. Trolls might as well be on Riot's payroll. Riot doesn't care what happens to us as long as we keep playing. And nobody reading this is going to care until it happens to them. All I can say to the people snubbing me behind their screens right now and spamming their downvotes... is I hope one day it happens to you. And on that day I hope you understand. Hell... if I get perma banned for playing my heart out for my team... I hope my next account is silently lurking in your game to see it.

15 Comments

Chermorg7 votes

Riot doesn't punish "victims of trolling", they punish perpetrators of flaming/violence.

If you had your bike stolen, and then you go murder someone, you still get arrested for murder. Being the "victim" of a "crime" on a computer game that doesn't mean crap doesn't give you the right to verbally abuse people.

Raistlin2 votes

Anivia

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TahmKench

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Ziggs

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Zac

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Teemo

would like to have a word with you

Vikådin3 votes

Listen to yourself. "Perpetrators of flaming/violence"

There are 26 letters in the english alphabet but you want to tell me certain combinations of those letters, mostly 4 letter combinations, have so much power over you as to be considered violence!

A light breeze has touched my face, I feel violated! this is violence! somebody stop the perpetrator of this violence!

A song on the radio!

Somebody's wifi signal is in my body, this is violence!!

You, Chermorg, are one of those people who should be banned from the internet. You obviously can't handle the reality of free speech.

Banning people you know are frustrated at being trolled for something that I, personally, mute every game ANYWAY, while letting them griefers get away free, is absurd. You might as well go charge landmine victims with destruction of property, or charge rape victims with assault against their attacker. Something extreme happens to an individual and they react, and you think it's acceptable to punish them. Why, because YOU are such an over sensitive infant you can't handle grown up words on the internet? Are you allergic to certain combinations of our alphabet? What exactly is it that is SO TERRIBLE to you about somebody speaking their mind and disagreeing with you? Your analogy is BS because it's like my bike gets stolen and I find out who and tell the police, and they charge me with spying on somebody or some other equally petty, pathetic excuse to "punish" the person they SHOULD be helping.

Chermorg6 votes

If you go to a bar, are drinking with your friends, then start spewing hate speech at people loudly, even if at your friends, you get kicked the fuck out of the bar.

You have free speech. Riot has the freedom to ban you from using their services.

Vikådin2 votes

Again your analogy is faulty.

This is me and my friends going to the bar, somebody kicking in the door of the bar and shooting it up, and while trying to avoid the hailstorm of bullets I dive behind the bar, so the owner of the establishment charged me with trespassing because I stepped into an employee only area. Get it?

I am a patron. I an in an establishment owned by a higher party. Somebody else comes in and tears up the place in a really serious way. And then I am blamed or charged for how I tried to save myself from the disaster. The establishment owner lets the other people go because they didn't SAY ANYTHING, they just did major damage. But if I yelped "OH SAVE ME JEEBUS!!!" while I was ducking bullets, I would be held accountable for my blasphemous words because somebody, somewhere, was offended by those words.

You're the idiot on the street more offended by me calling out for Jeebus to save me, than you are about the bodies blood and bullets flowing out into the street. You're so blind by your political correctness you actually think people can "commit violence" with words. You need to grow up. And like I said before, get off the internet until you grow up.

TrulyBland4 votes

And then I am blamed or charged for how I tried to save myself from the disaster.

Please elaborate how flaming inters/trolls saves you from them or even mitigates their damage.

Chermorg3 votes

It doesn't. But OP will probably try and say it does.

Nickosaurus1 votes

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It doesn't. But OP will probably try and say it does.

(I know this is an old post but I feel like this deserves a response)

As much as you are correct his swearing won't resolve anything, the game's system is definitely flawed in the way that toxicity is clearly punished far and far harder than intentional feeding. Being reported for intentional feeding by for example 4 others (whether it's teammates or enemies) should result in a better check-up on the person. I also feel like sending a ticket to riot including the game and timestamps for the inting should be taken seriously instead of the classic 'Report via the in-game function' as clearly that does not work well enough and on top of that comes that a lot more effort is needed to report someone via a ticket, at least support can look into such a case of simply moving to the given timestamps in the attached video. Being toxic does not help, but trolls go unpunished way too regularly.

Aurelion Soul NA2 votes

I have never seen anyone banned or even warned for trolling. I know several people who do nothing but troll on this game and they have yet to even get a warning, but they have been doing it since like season 2.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

Then take the chat out of the game.. Problem solved

Raistlin2 votes

Becouse victims of trolling snap at some point and go verbal, or afk , but missuse of skills, alt and ctrl commands is not "primary" concern of Riot's :)

This has been said many times before, you may not realise it, but i would say about at least 10 times a day on various League forum posts.

Its a thick rubbery slope

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

Because more than half of league players are trolls and are bad, and riots mmr system is rigged to make you play with them based on your win-rate. I usually have to take months off this game and Im fine when I get back, but the better and better I play the more trolls I see the more angry I get and I slowly become toxic and hate and dont trust anyone fromt he second I get into the lobby.

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

Right now I'm dealing with a guy who actually actively promotes trolling saying its fine because it's only opinions. I mean if actively feeding is only an opinion then I guess no one can be banned by his logic.

Grallio1 votes

Riot does punish victims i got trolled by a premade in flex who picked trundle and anivia and would wall me of to get me killed and stop my backs. i got punished for telling them to fuck of. so what i learnt from that was i can troll and int all as i want as long as i pretend to be nice in chat, i know this is true cause i started doing it and havent been punished since lol.

ModJikker1 votes

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