Chat restrictions are becoming unjustified

marsu12345··4 votes·1,270 views
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Recently I received a chat restriction which I thought was unnecessary. I did not receive the logs behind the restriction, so I submitted a ticket asking for them. In reply I got a response telling I was spamming and extremely negative. I have linked the response and am asking you guys, is this really what people consider extremely toxic behavior? I do get that we need to improve the community by restricting TOXIC individuals, but I do not classify myself as one. Note the time stamps on my "spam" and to put my negative behavior to context, I was replying to people who really were flaming. Thoughts?

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Jo0o6 votes

Literally spam and negative behavior, so I don't really understand what your confusion stems from.

EXTREMELY toxic? Not at all. But it is, at face value, an abuse of the chat system. Hence, your ability to use the chat system is restricted for a bit, in an effort to teach you not to use it in this way in the future.

"Replying to people who really were flaming" is a bad excuse. Escalating (or at least continuing) in-game arguments is distracting, pointless, and potentially damaging to the morale and focus of your team. The expectation, when faced with somebody who is flaming you unprovoked, is that you will mute, report, and move on.

Lauchmelder3 votes

This.

Also, if OP would read the report card he'd have seen that Riot is talking about consistent behavior like this, not just a one time offense.

Aurelion Soul NA2 votes

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Jo0o9 votes

You're going out of your way to abuse the punishment system to mess with people, and RIOT is the one with serious problems?

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

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Jo0o6 votes

That's monumentally immature of you and, based on the logs you've shared before, very untrue.

You accumulated a truly impressive -17 score for this embarassing thread here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/poExQW7h-wtf-is-up-with-your-ban-system-riot-800-games-and-this-is-enough-to-get-punished-for

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

I think it;s monumentally immature for people to report players for getting sassy when there is a mute button.

  1. If you start calling people "ret*d, nier, fagot, cu.. Or say soemthing thats really insensitive like kys etc.. That's completely worthy of a punishment. .Because some things do hurt peoples feelings and are just wrong to say.

But people who fill out a report because someone told them to get better, or top feeding, or build a different item, or go play normals, oryou aren't good etc... That's not ban worthy that's just competitive shit talk.

I have been gaming for like 16 years and every single competitive game has had endless shit talk and have also been the most successful titles.

I mean people I competed against in Halo we would say horrible things to eachother.. even our own teammates and we are lifelong friends now.. So Riots whole approach to shittalk is just nonsensical.

I mean they added a badge system and you can see very clearly that there are far far more players who havebeen punished for crap talk than those who haven't.

Jo0o9 votes

I've been gaming for longer than you've been gaming, and I also competed at the highest available levels in basketball, soccer, tennis, and chess throughout my childhood and into early college.

There's no such thing as "competitive shit talk". There is, however, "anonymous shit talk". You aren't being competitive when you lay into somebody over an online game, you're being immature behind the shield of your computer screen. The garbage that people like you spew at your teammates and opponents in video games would never fly on any of my sports teams.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

Yeah in competitive sports there aren't peopel intentionally giving the ball to the enemy team and letting them score either. But I assure you if I was making you lose intentionally in college I would be hazed and thrwon of the team faster than you could say "reported'.

Jo0o3 votes

There's no realistic real-world equivalent to intentional feeding.

In the rare case of somebody sabotaging the team, the coach would be the one to make that determination, not the players. Fucking duh.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

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Jo0o1 votes

I see no evidence of int feeding in your match history.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

Yo dont see my match history for my accounts I play on ;) Except for this on which was banned for calling an int feeder a trashcan.

Jo0o1 votes

Then I think you're lying.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

Good for you

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

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Jo0o4 votes

It isn't about abolishing, it's about mitigating.

Personally, I rarely bother to report people. But it's unfathomable to me when somebody like you gets banned. Even if you don't agree with the parameters of the behavioral system, at least figure out a way to play within them to keep your account in good standing. The requirements of behavior are reasonable, and if after multiple warnings you can't color inside the lines, that's an issue of your own self-control, nothing else.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

It doesn't mitigate shit. And I don't care about whether or not my account gets banned for talking shit. I o however think people trolling is absolutely unfair and riot rewards the fck outta trolls because thy make people spend money.

People can down-vote me all day long but good luck getting me to stop making valid points.

And here is another fun one for you.. Riot doesnt care if you are toxic or not toxic, or a troll or a non troll they intentionally intermix the two to keep the game artificially balanced

If riot wanted to mitigate shit they who constantly feed with other feeders.. And not mix those going up with those going down in mmr.

They intentionally fck you so as far as mitigating toxicity. I ont think thats their intention. There intention is to piss off people .. Ban their accounts, and then they start new ones and buy xp boosts n shit..IUt's a money making scam. An they definatly want you stuck in lower elos so that you go to their black market boosting sites and give them money to boost you..

The entire game revolves around money.

Jo0o4 votes

You were at least 14-day banned, and perhaps perma'd, for your behavior. I call that successful mitigation.

Telephone Booth2 votes

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Yeah well I got baned for calling a troll a troll so this is how Im enacting my revenge. Ive seen trolls get away with trolling way too much an so Im gonna torll at least I can have fun.

I put on the forums what I had said to get banned.. And they sided with the troll.. o if were siding with troloing then Im gonna troll.. Too bad so sad Im gonna do it until riot sshifts focus on who deserves bans.

Perfect example of an eye for an eye makes the world go blind. You feel you were treated unjustly, so now you ruin innocent peoples time to exact your revenge. Yeaaah... just collateral damage for your bullshit crusade.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

It's not eye for an eye its actually just .. League said Im a shitty human of a person.. so Im gonna live up to my label.

Telephone Booth1 votes

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It's not eye for an eye its actually just .. League said Im a shitty human of a person.. so Im gonna live up to my label.

Ohhh you're just a highly insecure person who makes mountains out of molehills. Any criticism is inflated in your head and you feel attacked. Saying your logs were toxic and your attitude is not welcome here is interpreted as you're a shitty human of a person, so since you don't agree with that, you retaliate. I don't know what's worse. Insecure ego, or having an eye for an eye philosophy. Either way, I hope it's at least fun for you and you're not just miserable doing it. The game was made to be fun, after all xD

Oohaha Sharkbait2 votes

No, he is going out of his way to bring to light how incompetent their system is, and their refusal to work on it.

Jo0o2 votes

They're constantly working on it.

If you have a specific suggestion, present it.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

Here is a suggestion .. Click a box that says [x] find me a game with anyone, at my own risk, else find me a game with people who want to have fun and aren't toxic.

I will take the fast games with people who are competitive as fck over a game with a random troll any day

Silent Gravity1 votes

Wouldn't that first set include all the int feeders and other random trolls though?

Oohaha Sharkbait1 votes

I have a suggestion. Watch the match. If the person is intentionally trying to lose the game, ban them from ranked for 14 days. They do it again, permaban. I literally screenshotted and reported to support ticket a guy that had an average score of 0-31-2 over his last 250 games. Literally. He is still playing.

Ahktos2 votes

Yep Ban System is completely flawed, but these forums are not a great place to voice your opinion. Most people on here will tell you its your fault and that you need to reform. The real toxic players continue to play while the non toxic players suffer at the wrath of their reports.

Chermorg5 votes

Maybe people are telling players they are wrong because they are? If players are toxic, they do not get sympathy or an echo chamber telling them they’re right. They will be told they are wrong and pointed out why they are.

Ahktos1 votes

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Maybe people are telling players they are wrong because they are? If players are toxic, they do not get sympathy or an echo chamber telling them they’re right. They will be told they are wrong and pointed out why they are.

I have a Zed top lane right now. But i cant tell him anything even if i refrain from using offensive language i would probably get reported. Lets just see how he does, and you wonder why bronze is so toxic. Be back after a long 40 minutes of hell.

Chermorg5 votes

Maybe you should focus on your gameplay and how you can help the team, instead of expending energy to complain and get angry over others performance.

leagueofturds1 votes

So, according to your Riot's-Ass-Sucking-Logic, I can validly argue that responding to a toxic player to put him in his place and defend your teammates who is being harassed by a 16-year-old-wanna-be-Faker is actually helping your team, what do you say? Which one is it: Staying silent and letting your teammates tilt because of a toxic turd and hope that the not-ever-given-a-thought punishment system to catch this guy OR do something about it because Riot is surely incapable of doing something about it?

Please don't patronize people with your readiness to agree with everything riot says or does with half-ass reasoning.

Xidphel2 votes

Someone's biased.

leagueofturds1 votes

Well, I don't have the reason to be biased unlike the schmucks who are non-paid-employees of Riot, unless they receive some free legacy skin every season for their "community service".

Chermorg2 votes

I was unaware you have the ability to issue punishments to accounts. My apologies for not realizing you had the ability to “do something about it”.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Or you could try simply supporting and defending the teammates so that they don't tilt. Having even one other person on the team speak up for them breaks the spell that the toxic player is weaving, so to speak, and gives them a chance to get back into the game. And you don't have to be toxic, or attack the toxic player to do it. It can be as simple as complimenting them on a good play they make, asking for their help with something, telling them your plan to help them. All of that disrupts the toxic rant, and it's ALL WITHIN THE SUMMONER'S CODE.

Let's say your midlaner is the 16-year-old-wanna-be-Faker, and he's railing against your adc for giving up first blood and being behind 20 cs. What do you do? How do you help them?

Step 1: Ignore the wanna-be. Tell your adc to just mute the guy, and then you don't respond to anything else that person has to say that is negative about the adc. Their negativity is not worth listening to. It's your call as to whether you want to mute the guy as well or not, but when you try to continually argue with what they say, all you do is give them attention that they don't deserve. Their words are toxic, detrimental and worthless. Their words literally are not worth the time it takes you to type a reply and hit enter. I'm sure you've been on the internet long enough to have heard the saying "Don't Feed The Trolls." It's the same way with toxics. If you don't respond to them, and never say anything back, they lose their power over the people they are berating. So all it takes is a single sentence to the adc. "Just mute him/her. Ignore his/her toxicity, and let's focus on winning this match."

Step 2: Find a way to involve the person being harassed: As a jungler, tell them you will come gank, and if you get a kill bot or can run them out of lane, you will get their help with taking drag. Or, just look for a good time to ping their help at dragon, and then thank that player. Make a point of saying it. "Thanks adc-champ and support-champ. That dragon should help you with sustain/damage/etc."

As a top laner, offer to teleport gank for them. Ask them to ward the river or deep ward and let the enemy push up and tell them you can teleport in to get them back in the game. If you teleport in, and something comes of it, either a kill, or a turret, or even just burned summoners, tell them good job. If you don't have teleport, and you notice that the enemy jungler is spending a lot of time bot side, ask them to try and keep that jungler's attention, and get your own jungler to help you take rift herald. And then praise the bot lane for doing a good job of keeping the enemy team distracted. Even if they die, they still helped the team strategically and it gives you a chance to give that player a compliment.

As a support, if your adc is struggling, it can be rough, but you're in the best possible place to offer encouragement. You get to see literally everything your adc is doing, because you are always by their side in the beginning. So you see every good play they make. If they make a clutch flash, tell them. If they heal to save you from the enemy, thank them. If they play a trade really well, compliment it and encourage them. Tell them that if you guys can just do it one or two more times, then you've got an easy kill. Offer to help them last hit under turret if you need to. Guide them on the objectives they need to focus on, whether it's a dragon, a turret, a kill, or whether they just need to back, and when they make the right decisions with you, encourage them. "Awesome. we're catching up!" "She has a little more damage, but we have exhaust up and they don't, we can fight now if you come with me." "NICE! Good job bro!" If they make a mistake, you have the first view of it, and if YOU choose to say something like "whups! don't worry, we'll get them next time" "Oh man, that sucks. I miss that flash all the time too" "It's alright, we'll just play this one safe until you farm it up. You've got the late game!" the rest of the team will take their cue from you. This right here is actually one of the primary reasons why I main support. I enjoy offering support to the champions my champion plays with, but it goes beyond that. I support the players behind those champions.

Obviously, not all of those would work in every situation, but do you see the difference in doing any of those, versus attacking the toxic player? It's accomplishing what you want, the support and validation of a struggling teammate, without slipping into arguing or toxicity with the toxic player. But even beyond the fact that you are giving verbal encouragement, it gives you the chance to actually teach people metagame skills to combat toxicity-induced tilt. When you give someone something to focus on and small goals to work towards in a game, you make the situation manageable and you can help keep them from going into a multi-game long tilt streak.

SSJTribe2 votes

Congrats on winning that game, I'm glad to see that Zed carried.

Ahktos1 votes

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Congrats on winning that game, I'm glad to see that Zed carried.

Lol yeah and my 3/0/14 support wasnt part of the reason. Dont try to say he carried when he was 12/4/3. My ratio is higher. "He Carried" right.

Jo0o2 votes

That's a weak excuse.

The guy you had to force yourself to NOT flame contributed the most kills on your team. You had some random notion that this guy deserved abuse for daring to pick top Zed, but he wound up being a major reason why your team won.

Seems to me that your awareness and respect for the power (if not purpose) of Riot's IFS system allowed your team to peacefully win, rather than you potentially insulting and tilting your teammate under the mistaken assumption that he'd lose the game for you.

Ahktos1 votes

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That's a weak excuse.

The guy you had to force yourself to NOT flame contributed the most kills on your team. You had some random notion that this guy deserved abuse for daring to pick top Zed, but he wound up being a major reason why your team won.

Seems to me that your awareness and respect for the power (if not purpose) of Riot's IFS system allowed your team to peacefully win, rather than you potentially insulting and tilting your teammate under the mistaken assumption that he'd lose the game for you.

No the reason he did so good was because of me. He was doing terrible in lane. ADC and I were the only two who werent behind i think zed died twice on our team first. Look at his CS 109 in 23 minutes. Terrible. Trish had more farm, Zed was just stealing her kills look how many assist our ADC had. You try to say he carried when in reality Trish is the one who should of been fed, and if you really want to be accurate on who carried you should check Stats you will see that Trish did the most champ damage.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

The fact that you wanted to talk shit for someone's champ pick IS the main reason why Bronze is toxic, not because of someone else's champ pick. So technically, your attitude alone defined the toxic Bronze elo.

Aurelion Soul NA1 votes

My therapist told me it was good not to hold all my anger in.

PeelDpotato1 votes

I think they want people to change the tone, as the passive aggressiveness tends to escalate the problem. Better to just avoid chat and use pings IMO. Voice chat would help this game a lot as it would allow more fluid communication and let people hear just how ridiculous some of the shit they say in chat sounds lol.

Fegone1 votes

oh boy. While I'm usually one of those pointing out to other people who got punished / banned, why they did, in this case I have to admit there's nothing I'd consider punish - worthy.

chat spamming a "?", really? That's toxic? It's a punctuation mark. If spamming that was toxic, Riot would restrict it or prohibit it. Man Riot, get your shit together, this time you really went overboard.

AdeBug1 votes

"extremely toxic behavior" will get you banned

either spam or offensive chat by themselves might've gotten u a warning, together they got you a chat restriction.

all good here /closed

Canonic1 votes

Justified. Keep your mouth shut if you don't want to pay the consequences

Ahktos1 votes

Lol i dont talk "shit" as you say. I never use offensive language when i talk to people in game.

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