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Innocent: Suspended due to dynamic Queue Gang Reporting

aviloSoAmaze··3 votes·1,592 views

Hey riot, spent at least 100$ on your game.

Pretty unhappy with my ranked experience lately in dynamic queue.

I've had multiple chat restrictions in the past, and admittedly flamed in some of my games but why?

I've had the experience of your "dynamic queue" where multiple players that are queued together will start intentionally feeding in my game, things like walk under tower, say they are going to afk, or threaten other things, usually resulting in them purposely walking into the enemy jungle solo to give the other jungler a kill and make it look legit.

This experience is frustrating as hell, because every time it happens in the past, I AM THE ONE THAT GETS CHAT RESTRICTED despite these a holes pretending to be good guys.

Last straw was today - happened again, playing a game and a lux support in my game starts trolling as i am jungling - he goes to my blue buff, wolfs, red buff and is following me through the jungle and purposely trying to steal my camps with lux ult and abilities.

I got mad, flamed them, told them to stop feeding, and they all said they will 4x report me, etc.

Now my account is suspended because of this? I'd like it if i can get unsuspended and maybe if you guys can look into your report system and contemplate re-adding soloqueue to league because this has been happening more and more lately.

Apparently your report system doesn't check for situations like this, and i hope you can understand how frustrating it is to have players in your game intentionally feed, purposely troll/take your jungle camps, and then act as if they are innocent and then report the actual innocent person.

Thanks, i hope you guys can un-do my 14 day suspension, i enjoy playing the game, but not really enjoying dynamic queue lately.

30 Comments

Deep Terror Nami10 votes

You weren't punished because you were 4x reported. The system calculates a whole premade the same as a single person.

You were punished for flaming, and for having a history of toxic behavior. Retaliation is not an acceptable excuse to become toxic. All it does is make the situation worse, and it won't get them punished any faster. Just mute, report, and play the match to the best of your ability then move on with your life when it's over.

Riot will not change a punishment unless it was done in error, sorry. I suggest going over the Behavior Worth of a Champion article for tips on how to remain positive in your matches so you don't cause any problems for others or for yourself and end up permabanned. The next punishment after a 14 day is a permaban, and it takes 3 months for your punishment tier to drop 1 step.

Let me know if you have any questions. If you are unsure what behavior in your logs were considered negative behavior, post your reform card and I'd be happy to go over it with you.

aviloSoAmaze4 votes

So, it's perfectly fine for me to take it that teammates are intentionally feeding/trolling in my games and i'm the one that gets punished? Sorry, but i come from SC2 and old school games where you did not take stuff sitting down and get walked over like Riot seems to do with their system.

Me "flaming" my teammates was from them flaming me in the chat constantly, int feeding, attempting to steal buffs, and overall in general being idiots.

So Riot's stance is a player should just take all this to the face basically? In most other games, you can say something back or tell the players to stop and you don't get ban hammered for no reason.

How am i to play the match to the best of my ability when 2 people in the game are intentionally feeding/trolling and then they all will report me regardless at the end of the game?

Riot's entire reporting system is screwed up to be honest. It's even worse with this dynamic queue.

There's no way to get unsuspended? Seriously?

Deep Terror Nami6 votes

So Riot's stance is a player should just take all this to the face basically?

Please enlighten me on how your behavior is solving the problem better than simply muting and reporting them, rather than making the situation worse.

Should you not be taking the course of action that results in no extra damage while the offenders are still held accountable for their behavior?

Troll Armada2 votes

Frankly, both are problems.

R31W1NG2 votes

Stop, the lost match due to intentional feeding is a lost match(which is the problem). Him arguing it doesn't lesson that. The fact the tribunal was removed and that it awarded the jury for coming to the most agreed verdict prevents mitigation for defending oneself. Aggravated Assault and Mutual Combat are different from Battery for good reason. And with hyperbole on my side, if someone is mugging you and you make their day miserable via violence you aren't punished for it unless it was a cruel and unusual amount even if a police officer was 20 ft away during such. You can argue that he wasted his time, energy, and unnecessarily put himself at risk of punishment(which he received), but you can not say that his crime is just as bad as theirs or that Retaliation isn't excusable. IRL retaliation is excusable, riot just doesn't want to deal with it.

AzureDragoon4 votes

So how many players have been physically punched then by trolls in game? I'm really curious, since this keeps getting used as "justification" for retaliation via flaming.

Part of the problem, is not just dealing with the actual trolls (and they do exist), but the fact that there are also people calling others "trolls" for having a bad game.

Also, I'm curious why chat logs haven't been posted yet to prove innocence.

R31W1NG1 votes

LoL, because philosophy. Kappa It is hyperbole and analogy to show that retaliation IRL is acceptable and that another person starting something (such as a fight) does in fact either part more blame on the person starting it or lesson blame on the person responding IRL.

AzureDragoon4 votes

The problem with the example of a real life physical fight, is that your life is not in mortal danger while playing a game. In real life, someone attacks you, yea, defend your self to survive

But a video game like League? Muting ends the fight. Reporting leads to punishments.

R31W1NG1 votes

That's where the analogy and hyperbole go hand in hand. Though most fights don't end with either party dead. And most people respond more violently to a slighted ego than a physical wound. And i may not have made it perfectly clear i wasn't pro his way of handling it, i certainly insinuated it as he wasted his time and energy all the while setting himself up to be punished. I'm pointing out that his wrong is lesser than the people that started it and that retaliation is acceptable IRL. Hell trump has made how many people redact facts because he threatens or does sue them for harming his reputation? Retaliation is perfectly acceptable or at least worthy of a lesser sentence. Riot doesn't want to deal with it.

I'm not pro OP(as I don't have a list of all his actual grievances ), I'm pro retaliation being a lesser offense. I also don't feel as if riot has enough punishments in it's chain. I'd like for the a first chat restriction, a 5, a 10, a 25, a 50, a day ban, a week ban, a two week ban, a month ban, a year ban, and then finally after giving them so many chances a perma-ban. Actually force them to have time to mature and make those restrictions grate on them.

Nik Nikerson2 votes

I think the counter argument is that if you don't get the message after 3 punishments, you're probably not going to get the message any better after 6.

o Maui o2 votes

I also don't feel as if riot has enough punishments in it's chain. I'd like for the a first chat restriction, a 5, a 10, a 25, a 50, a day ban, a week ban, a two week ban, a month ban, a year ban, and then finally after giving them so many chances a perma-ban. Actually force them to have time to mature and make those restrictions grate on them.

It's my understanding that the system was designed with 4 tiers of punishments because there is a drop in the reform rate of players after the third tier. The reform rate after the first three tiers is good (70+% at each tier); afterwards there are diminishing returns, and players are significantly less likely to change their behavior, so from a customer service standpoint it's better for Riot to remove a toxic player who is unlikely to reform rather than allow them to continue to disrupt games for their other customers.

Nik Nikerson3 votes

His crime may not be as bad as theirs, but it's still a crime.

And IRL retaliation is not excusable. Reasonably defending one's self is. There's a difference.

R31W1NG1 votes

Hah.

Kim Chi Vendor5 votes

1 report in a game is no different from 4. Focus on reforming your own immoral actions. You have exceedingly poor morality as it stands right now.

aviloSoAmaze4 votes

I have no immoral actions. I had teammates int feeding. You sound like you've been brainwashed by Riot's reporting system. My teammates were being idiots int feeding and trolling, i have every right to call them out on it.

That was out of my control, and it's not my fault for trying my hardest to win the game despite these idiots - yes, they are idiots for doing such a thing because they ruin the experience for me and another player in the same game.

SrbLud3 votes

{quoted}

I have no immoral actions. I had teammates int feeding. You sound like you've been brainwashed by Riot's reporting system. My teammates were being idiots int feeding and trolling, i have every right to call them out on it.

That was out of my control, and it's not my fault for trying my hardest to win the game despite these idiots - yes, they are idiots for doing such a thing because they ruin the experience for me and another player in the same game.

Then report them. Don't flame. Simple. You calling them out does nothing to help but only gives them enough fuel to report you.

EvilDustMan2 votes

{quoted}

I have no immoral actions. I had teammates int feeding. You sound like you've been brainwashed by Riot's reporting system. My teammates were being idiots int feeding and trolling, i have every right to call them out on it.

That was out of my control, and it's not my fault for trying my hardest to win the game despite these idiots - yes, they are idiots for doing such a thing because they ruin the experience for me and another player in the same game.

What, honestly, do you expect your verbal rage to do for the situation?

Anomander4 votes

Hey riot, spent at least 100$ on your game.

Means nothing.

I've had multiple chat restrictions in the past, and admittedly flamed in some of my games but why?

You know why your suspended..... Deal with it.

I've had the experience of your "dynamic queue" where multiple players that are queued together will start intentionally feeding in my game, things like walk under tower, say they are going to afk, or threaten other things, usually resulting in them purposely walking into the enemy jungle solo to give the other jungler a kill and make it look legit.

This experience is frustrating as hell, because every time it happens in the past, I AM THE ONE THAT GETS CHAT RESTRICTED despite these a holes pretending to be good guys.

Last straw was today - happened again, playing a game and a lux support in my game starts trolling as i am jungling - he goes to my blue buff, wolfs, red buff and is following me through the jungle and purposely trying to steal my camps with lux ult and abilities.

I got mad, flamed them, told them to stop feeding, and they all said they will 4x report me, etc.

You don't get banned because of their behavior but your own. 9 reports or 1 report it is all the same. It flags the game for review. If it is valid it counts against you if it is not valid it gets ignored regardless of how many people reported you that game.

Now my account is suspended because of this? I'd like it if i can get unsuspended and maybe if you guys can look into your report system and contemplate re-adding soloqueue to league because this has been happening more and more lately.

Apparently your report system doesn't check for situations like this, and i hope you can understand how frustrating it is to have players in your game intentionally feed, purposely troll/take your jungle camps, and then act as if they are innocent and then report the actual innocent person.

Thanks, i hope you guys can un-do my 14 day suspension, i enjoy playing the game, but not really enjoying dynamic queue lately.

Your account is banned because you were toxic across multiple games and have prolly already had a

10 game chat restriction 25 game chat restriction 14 day ban

The system does take into account multi report/gang reporting and verifies based on each game and not on the number of reports in the game.

Riot will not reverse bans if they are valid and based on your admitting to flaming it is and will not be reversed.

Mhihnj2 votes

Hey riot, spent at least 100$ on your game.

Lost him there

CrazFight 3 votes

1: Hey riot, spent at least 100$ on your game. ~ Riot doesn't care 2: Where you toxic? yes ? then its your own fault not the 4 man's. 3: Riot doesn't care if other were toxic, if you were toxic then you were toxic. 4: Doesn't matter how many people report , if you weren't toxic then you would be fine, but u were toxic. ITS YOUR FAULT plain and simple. Stop using dynamic queue as a scapegoat.

SrbLud3 votes

You retaliated so it's fair you got reported. Read the summoners code. Also there is no such thing as gang reporting ( unless all randoms ) as premades count as one report ( do some research ), and i hate when people try and use that as an excuse. You can spend $100,000 and it doesn't entitle you to anything. Playing this game is a privilege that can be taken away if you don't follow the terms... Rightfully banned... NEXT...[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

SrbLud3 votes

https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/133766694594

Here's something on gang reporting from RiotLyte

AMADEUSdotEXE2 votes

Hate to bring bad news, Riot cannot and will not undo punishments. Its stated in their support faq.

themachamp2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mogeko Magica,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7sfepv02,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-17T07:52:44.716+0000)

Hate to bring bad news, Riot cannot and will not undo punishments. Its stated in their support faq.

They can and they have. They go against what they say all of the time lol. Riot wants to make it seem like have to walk through the depths of hell to unban an account but in reality all they have to do is a few clicks of the mouse and keystrokes and BAM un banned. XD

Void Nargacuga2 votes

If any punishment was an honest mistake then it can be overturned.

Kei1432 votes

be warned, your next punishment is a permaban.

even small things can trigger it, such as phishing for reports, calling someone bad / noob. It can even happen over 1 game.

R31W1NG2 votes

The only problem i see is that we have no reason to believe that the system treats verbal assault, aggravated verbal assault, and mutual verbal combat differently. We know there are trigger words, but we don't know if the system treats lesser crimes as lesser. I also don't feel as if there is enough lesser punishments. That being said you've still had to have poor behavior for a rather fair amount of games. In the future recognize that you are dealing with other people whom can be sensitive over inane things at anytime and as such you should not say anything which could be considered offensive. This is doubly true in ranked as many in take it seriously. Things like don't "stop feeding" are an objective without a plan. It doesn't help them and it wastes time you could be spending better while typing.

SHARP HOOK2 votes

RIot must stop permabans And take some other actions On flame.. Its normal to flame its in everyone blood ... Dota2 players flame everyday but not one get permabans They recive low priority and whait 30 min 1 hour for 1 quee that is more ironic and hardcore. atleast you keep you score and ACC

o Maui o1 votes

Sounds good, have fun playing dota2 then.

Firu1 votes

Acting toxic is never allowed. Even if it is in response to another player's toxicity. Just because you were punished does not mean the other play was not also punished.

TLDR: Two wrongs don't make a right.

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