Wrongful Suspension: Falsely Accused of Racism :/

Babygirl Yuumi·May 16, 2019·31 votes·9,008 views

I played a blind pick where a teemo, annie, and a kayle were with me and my friend. My friend and I went bot lane. Instantly the other teammates began talking in what i believe is chinese. No biggie, ill just ask them if they speak good english. "No (turns out they kinda did); that's racist and a reportable offense." I argue back that no it isn't, and they continue to taunt and tell the enemy team that i said the N word. Now, as a 3 year player i KNOW riot can and will read the logs, so i just tell the enemy team that the teemo and annie are lying (kayle didnt say much). I then stop talking in chat (i didnt mute) but they continued to tell the other team that I am a racist and i should be reported. I'll admit, i did tell them to shut up. I did tell them to play the damn game. I did tell them, that they were basically being racist at me for being american and asking them to speak english. EVEN IF THEY COULDN'T this wouldnt have been an issue if they didn't accuse me of something so messed up. Fast forward after the lost game. We are now facing against them. They immediately start flaming me from the enemy team and tbh we got our butts whooped. Oh well. Game ends and i see my account is suspended for 2 weeks??? I just got the friggin trials pass and now i will lose out on loot i PAID for because i was falsely accused of being a racist. Ticket support wasnt working for some dang reason so i tried and email and now i must wait. I know im crying a stupid river but like, seriously riot? Yeah i made my mistakes but a suspension? Great birthday present i guess.

TLDR; Randomly got falsely accused of racism and got my account suspended for 2 weeks over nothing.

EDIT:: and yes, i reported all of them for verbal abuse. I have no idea if they actually got suspended as well or not, i just find it very aggravating that they probably got away and get to laugh now since riot informs the reporter about the situation when action is taken. Kind of messed up that people like that get to roam the game with smiles on their faces while I'm suspended wrongfully.

EDIT 2:: My logs are down below on a comment. Wish it showed the whole team's logs, as that teemo was literally telling the enemy team i was saying the N word and constantly harassing me.

EDIT 3:: All these downvotes for what? I'm so sorry that I asked someone if they knew english. I'm so sorry that i got accused of racism over something so stupid. But 90% of you browsing the forums aren't "perfect" in chat either. Fact of the matter was I got accused of something messed up and i got heated. I still wholeheartedly believe that this whole situation is fucked up in nature and heads up to anyone wanting to ask such simple things, that it's apparently a banable offense to ask what languages someone can speak.

FINAL EDIT::::::: OK so i emailed support and forgot to update this thread but i see that it is still a bit active so i wanted to let everyone know, the rioter that emailed me back agreed that I was in no way using any form of hate speech, and understood that while some of my logs were uncalled for, i was aggravated and things were said out of anger of the situation. We talked a bit about the mute function, and how i should move forward with my behavior.

I will say that the 2 week suspension WAS LIFTED.I received a 25 game chat restriction in it's place, (which gladly played through with no complaints) and am back on my account receiving honor rewards again. Thank you all that agreed with me that it was a shitty situation, and im very happy that things got worked out. Cheers :3

106 Comments

rujitraMay 16, 20196 votes

When, if ever, have you had prior punishments on this account.
Making fun of someone's language or trying to tell them they must speak your language is racist. Period. You then admit that you were toxic in other ways. However, your behavior trying to force your language onto others was racist and thus would potentially be cause for an escalated punishment.
Riot only has a certain number of officially supported languages - but this applies only to the product Riot releases. There is no mandate for anyone to speak a particular language in game.

Babygirl YuumiMay 16, 20198 votes

I will admit, i have gotten chat suspended in game before. That was over a year ago, and i have definitely worked on/improved my toxic behaviors. For your second point, I DID NOT make fun of their language, nor did i say they MUST speak english. I literally just asked if they COULD. For your last comment, like i said, i didnt care if they could i purely asked to see, because i wanted to know if communication would be an issue in the game or not.

rujitraMay 16, 20194 votes

Please post the chat logs Riot gave you as evidence for your punishment, or a screenshot of them.

Babygirl YuumiMay 16, 20195 votes

I don't know how to find them again, i already closed the tab thingy and don't know how to retrieve them without paying the "small recovery fee" that riot does with chat logs.

Babygirl YuumiMay 16, 20199 votes

wait im dumb i reopened the client and found them. Here are the logs. Like i said, i wasnt the nicest. I got heated over being accused of being a racist. However, I refrained from calling names and i may be wrong, but IMO i dont think this was ban-able.

Logs:

Game 1 Pre-Game Babygirl Yuumi: supp Babygirl Yuumi: teemo or kayle can yall jg Babygirl Yuumi: someone Babygirl Yuumi: at least grab smite In-Game Babygirl Yuumi: do yall speak any english Babygirl Yuumi: because i dont speak whatever language yall are speaking Babygirl Yuumi: i dont even know what it is Babygirl Yuumi: kayle Babygirl Yuumi: do Babygirl Yuumi: something Babygirl Yuumi: its not racist to ask Babygirl Yuumi: report me then, i didnt say a single racial slur Babygirl Yuumi: learn the actual game buddy Babygirl Yuumi: then play the damn game right Babygirl Yuumi: im not being racist stop trying to be relevant Babygirl Yuumi: and just PLAY THE DAMN GAME Babygirl Yuumi: you're typing and making bad plays Babygirl Yuumi: anothe what? person who understands what actual racism is Babygirl Yuumi: if only the rest 3 of our team actually spoke english and helped out bot but noooo Babygirl Yuumi: no, you arent doing okay. Babygirl Yuumi: you arent playing well. Babygirl Yuumi: you have kills because you play teemo. Babygirl Yuumi: thats it. Babygirl Yuumi: THEN HELP BOTLANE Babygirl Yuumi: AND WIN THE DAMN
Babygirl Yuumi: "you're being racist just because we dont speak english" Babygirl Yuumi: then tell your friend to actually do something Babygirl Yuumi: thanks for the help you three Babygirl Yuumi: down bot Babygirl Yuumi: YALL NEVER HELPED DOWN BOT Babygirl Yuumi: THATS WHY WE ARE LOSING Babygirl Yuumi: oh no? lol Babygirl Yuumi: how dare i type Babygirl Yuumi: please tell me how i am being racist Babygirl Yuumi: help would have been nice but theres no point reasoning with this useless premade Babygirl Yuumi: you realize riot games checks chat logs right? Babygirl Yuumi: lmfao Babygirl Yuumi: i hate when people cry racism. it makes the actual issue much harder to punish. Babygirl Yuumi: alright so im legit gunna report this teemo for toxicity Babygirl Yuumi: its fine trist riot will check logs and see that teemo was harassing me Babygirl Yuumi: and calling me racist when hes the real racist Babygirl Yuumi: its called asking a question??? Babygirl Yuumi: lol Babygirl Yuumi: dont cry racism just because you got butthurt Babygirl Yuumi: thats what babies do Babygirl Yuumi: annie you literally have more deaths than me Babygirl Yuumi: we stopped talking. they legit wont just shut up. im sick of being called racist and dealing with a team that cant understand each other. Babygirl Yuumi: im legit just gunna mute.

SuicidePlankMay 16, 20195 votes

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Game 1 Pre-Game Babygirl Yuumi: supp Babygirl Yuumi: teemo or kayle can yall jg Babygirl Yuumi: someone Babygirl Yuumi: at least grab smite In-Game Babygirl Yuumi: do yall speak any english Babygirl Yuumi: because i dont speak whatever language yall are speaking Babygirl Yuumi: i dont even know what it is Babygirl Yuumi: kayle Babygirl Yuumi: do Babygirl Yuumi: something Babygirl Yuumi: its not racist to ask Babygirl Yuumi: report me then, i didnt say a single racial slur Babygirl Yuumi: learn the actual game buddy Babygirl Yuumi: then play the damn game right Babygirl Yuumi: im not being racist stop trying to be relevant Babygirl Yuumi: and just PLAY THE DAMN GAME Babygirl Yuumi: you're typing and making bad plays Babygirl Yuumi: anothe what? person who understands what actual racism is Babygirl Yuumi: if only the rest 3 of our team actually spoke english and helped out bot but noooo Babygirl Yuumi: no, you arent doing okay. Babygirl Yuumi: you arent playing well. Babygirl Yuumi: you have kills because you play teemo. Babygirl Yuumi: thats it. Babygirl Yuumi: THEN HELP BOTLANE Babygirl Yuumi: AND WIN THE DAMN
Babygirl Yuumi: "you're being racist just because we dont speak english" Babygirl Yuumi: then tell your friend to actually do something Babygirl Yuumi: thanks for the help you three Babygirl Yuumi: down bot Babygirl Yuumi: YALL NEVER HELPED DOWN BOT Babygirl Yuumi: THATS WHY WE ARE LOSING Babygirl Yuumi: oh no? lol Babygirl Yuumi: how dare i type Babygirl Yuumi: please tell me how i am being racist Babygirl Yuumi: help would have been nice but theres no point reasoning with this useless premade Babygirl Yuumi: you realize riot games checks chat logs right? Babygirl Yuumi: lmfao Babygirl Yuumi: i hate when people cry racism. it makes the actual issue much harder to punish. Babygirl Yuumi: alright so im legit gunna report this teemo for toxicity Babygirl Yuumi: its fine trist riot will check logs and see that teemo was harassing me Babygirl Yuumi: and calling me racist when hes the real racist Babygirl Yuumi: its called asking a question??? Babygirl Yuumi: lol Babygirl Yuumi: dont cry racism just because you got butthurt Babygirl Yuumi: thats what babies do Babygirl Yuumi: annie you literally have more deaths than me Babygirl Yuumi: we stopped talking. they legit wont just shut up. im sick of being called racist and dealing with a team that cant understand each other. Babygirl Yuumi: im legit just gunna mute.

You were being extremly negativ/toxic and flamed them.

Also,

Babygirl Yuumi: im legit just gunna mute.

just do that next time before you tilt and start writing essays.

PrismalDawnMay 16, 20192 votes

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just do that next time before you tilt and start writing essays.

Hey, that's what I say lol

Babygirl YuumiMay 16, 20192 votes

I'm aware i was being negative, someone was freaking calling me a racist over a blantant question??? like how does someone not get angry from that? I already admitted i should have muted but suspend able offense? hell no!

rujitraMay 16, 20196 votes

Babygirl Yuumi: do yall speak any english

This line comes across not as "Would you please speak English so we can all understand", it comes across as "wow, you don't speak English, smh".

You then said this:

Babygirl Yuumi: if only the rest 3 of our team actually spoke english

Which is, again, implying they are "lesser" or at fault because they were not speaking English.

So no, you may not have used racial slurs or directly said that they were lesser for their race/language, but your tone, word choice, and the fact you were being insulting/aggressive towards them is the problem here. You may not have intended it, but it doesn't matter what you say, it's how it's taken by others. That is the first, cardinal, unbreakable rule of communication it's not what you say, it's what people hear.

In the future, if you're going to be making a demand of someone, don't do so in a way that comes across as "I'm better than you, do what I say or you're lesser". Especially when such demand involves someone's race, ethnicity, culture, gender/sex, disability, or other things that you shouldn't use to abuse others.

Finally, I suspect that part of the reason for the 2 week ban is the fact you have had prior chat restrictions on your account. If you remember that message, it specifically stated that continued misbehavior would result in a suspension. Even if we take out all the comments about speaking English, a vast majority of the rest of your log is toxic in and of itself. Given your history and that you didn't change/improve your behavior, the next punishment may have been a 2 week ban. Please keep in mind your next punishment after this will be a permanent ban - no matter how "small" your misbehavior.

Malix FarwinMay 16, 20199 votes

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This line comes across not as "Would you please speak English so we can all understand", it comes across as "wow, you don't speak English, smh".

You then said this:

Which is, again, implying they are "lesser" or at fault because they were not speaking English.

So no, you may not have used racial slurs or directly said that they were lesser for their race/language, but your tone, word choice, and the fact you were being insulting/aggressive towards them is the problem here. You may not have intended it, but it doesn't matter what you say, it's how it's taken by others. That is the first, cardinal, unbreakable rule of communication it's not what you say, it's what people hear.

In the future, if you're going to be making a demand of someone, don't do so in a way that comes across as "I'm better than you, do what I say or you're lesser". Especially when such demand involves someone's race, ethnicity, culture, gender/sex, disability, or other things that you shouldn't use to abuse others.

Finally, I suspect that part of the reason for the 2 week ban is the fact you have had prior chat restrictions on your account. If you remember that message, it specifically stated that continued misbehavior would result in a suspension. Even if we take out all the comments about speaking English, a vast majority of the rest of your log is toxic in and of itself. Given your history and that you didn't change/improve your behavior, the next punishment may have been a 2 week ban. Please keep in mind your next punishment after this will be a permanent ban - no matter how "small" your misbehavior.

It actually doesnt come accross that that way what you are quoting is this "do yall speak any english". It come across as a question. Example me saying "do yall need some help" does not mean "they must need help".

Second, its an EXTREME stretch to say " if only the rest 3 of our team actually spoke english" is implying that other languages are "lesser". It literally can translate into "i wish i could understand my team" which is a legitimate argument. Saying you do not understand something does not mean its inferior or "lesser", thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

Last but not least, racism is discrimination of a race, at no point did he disrespect their race or their language.

rujitraMay 16, 20193 votes

Words themselves have no meaning. Words are merely collections of shapes (letters) that convey meaning only because we give them meaning. However, communication would not work if we just threw words together. We have invented classes of words that have different uses - verbs communicate actions, nouns communicate things, adjectives describe features of a particular "thing", etc. We've gone even further, however, and come to a mutual understanding as society over thousands of years that words are not just used to define their definition, but that words convey tone as well. As an example, the two following messages convey a very different tone, even though the message is the same:

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day? Thou art more lovely and more temperate.

versus

You're hot and pretty, but tempered and enjoyable.

One sounds very eloquent, very "flowing", and very complimentary. The other, while conveying the same message, sounds businesslike, cold, and forced.

Likewise, while the words were "do yall speak any english", there are multiple things that cause it to have a negative, racist tone. The use of the word "any" here is unnecessary. The use of that word implies two things - that they do not speak any english (else it would be unnecessary to put that in), as well as that the fact they don't speak it is bad. Think of it like this - when someone in real life says "could you be ANY more annoying", they're not really asking you could you be annoying - they're telling you that you're being annoying. That is the tone of that message. If that was not the intended tone, then the OP should choose their words more carefully next time.

The other message which says "if only... actually spoke..." is two more phrases with a very negative connotation. Even the phrase you "literally" translated it into (hint: you misused the word literally there) is negative - "i wish i could" in this instance is a defeatist, negative, and frankly "calling out" type phrase.

If the OP had said "I can't understand what you're saying" there would be no problem. The OP did so by belittling the language they were speaking at multiple instances, then getting into an argument the entire game over it. Not acceptable, period.

Malix FarwinMay 16, 20199 votes

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Words themselves have no meaning. Words are merely collections of shapes (letters) that convey meaning only because we give them meaning. However, communication would not work if we just threw words together. We have invented classes of words that have different uses - verbs communicate actions, nouns communicate things, adjectives describe features of a particular "thing", etc. We've gone even further, however, and come to a mutual understanding as society over thousands of years that words are not just used to define their definition, but that words convey tone as well. As an example, the two following messages convey a very different tone, even though the message is the same:

versus

One sounds very eloquent, very "flowing", and very complimentary. The other, while conveying the same message, sounds businesslike, cold, and forced.

Likewise, while the words were "do yall speak any english", there are multiple things that cause it to have a negative, racist tone. The use of the word "any" here is unnecessary. The use of that word implies two things - that they do not speak any english (else it would be unnecessary to put that in), as well as that the fact they don't speak it is bad. Think of it like this - when someone in real life says "could you be ANY more annoying", they're not really asking you could you be annoying - they're telling you that you're being annoying. That is the tone of that message. If that was not the intended tone, then the OP should choose their words more carefully next time.

The other message which says "if only... actually spoke..." is two more phrases with a very negative connotation. Even the phrase you "literally" translated it into (hint: you misused the word literally there) is negative - "i wish i could" in this instance is a defeatist, negative, and frankly "calling out" type phrase.

If the OP had said "I can't understand what you're saying" there would be no problem. The OP did so by belittling the language they were speaking at multiple instances, then getting into an argument the entire game over it. Not acceptable, period.

Word actually do have meaning and this case is not "words" but rather a sentence. You are reaching for context that is not present just because he said "yall speak any english?" versus "do you guys speak any english".

Word can hurt(i should know that more than anyone having being of African decent and being called all kinds of names through both my childhood and through my time in the military) but calling this something that it clearly isn't is not the way forward but a way backwards. This is not racist, not even the way he asked was racist, at all.

Babygirl YuumiMay 16, 20199 votes

I'm sorry that when playing on NA servers i wish to be able to actually communicate with my teammates? I think thats why i play NA and not EUW or any other server? Communication helps in the game, in fact is a LARGE factor? asking was not an issue. Nor was complaining that they couldnt. I was heated and yeah i was a bit agressive but i got accused of being a racist over nothing? lol

Ph03n1xb1rdMay 16, 20193 votes

I think thats why i play NA and not EUW or any other server?

What the heck are you talkin' about? :D On the EUW the default language to communicate is English as well :D I do not remember even talking with anybody in a different language (except if he was my premade friend).

IainG10May 18, 20191 votes

Oh, people are more than happy to flame you if they think you won't understand it. I may be English, but I'm pretty sure I could fluently swear in French, German, Spanish and Italian by now. Most of the actual teamwork stuff though is done in English, yeah.

dboy225May 17, 20198 votes

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This line comes across not as "Would you please speak English so we can all understand", it comes across as "wow, you don't speak English, smh".

You then said this:

Which is, again, implying they are "lesser" or at fault because they were not speaking English.

So no, you may not have used racial slurs or directly said that they were lesser for their race/language, but your tone, word choice, and the fact you were being insulting/aggressive towards them is the problem here. You may not have intended it, but it doesn't matter what you say, it's how it's taken by others. That is the first, cardinal, unbreakable rule of communication it's not what you say, it's what people hear.

In the future, if you're going to be making a demand of someone, don't do so in a way that comes across as "I'm better than you, do what I say or you're lesser". Especially when such demand involves someone's race, ethnicity, culture, gender/sex, disability, or other things that you shouldn't use to abuse others.

Finally, I suspect that part of the reason for the 2 week ban is the fact you have had prior chat restrictions on your account. If you remember that message, it specifically stated that continued misbehavior would result in a suspension. Even if we take out all the comments about speaking English, a vast majority of the rest of your log is toxic in and of itself. Given your history and that you didn't change/improve your behavior, the next punishment may have been a 2 week ban. Please keep in mind your next punishment after this will be a permanent ban - no matter how "small" your misbehavior.

oh so you just conveniently leave out his second sentence that followed right after that first sentence that clearly shows there was no racist intention behind it "because i don't speak whatever language yall are speaking". Clearly he was just trying to find out if he could communicate with them. To imply that is racist shows a clear lack of common sense on your part. You sound like the kind of guy who would pull a race card just for a person of another race looking at you for 2 seconds. I mean really dude that is like going to korea and going up to a shopkeeper and asking do yall speak any english? So that you can try to buy something from them. Just to have them start yelling at you shouting racist! racist! when all you wanted to do is buy something from their shop.....

You said it should have been can yall please speak english.... But i just have one question... If he is under the impression that they speak no English whatsoever in the first place... Then why in the fuck would he ask them to speak it without first confirming if they even know it or not?

what on god's green earth makes you think asking if someone can speak a certain language.. is racist? you can not possibly honestly believe that.... you must be trying to epic troll this guy.

DOUBLE TAPPED EMay 16, 201910 votes

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Making fun of someone's language or trying to tell them they must speak your language is racist. Period.

What does language have to do with race? Culture maybe, but race? Racism is a very serious accusation, and expecting people to speak English on the US server (The official language of the US is English, by the way) does not seem like an unreasonable expectation, especially in a game where teamwork and communication are major factors.

Babygirl YuumiMay 16, 20196 votes

That's what i'm saying. I left my logs above if you would like to read them. I will admit that i got a bit heated, but seriously a suspension? They were definitely harassing me and I should have muted earlier but seriously... this sucks dude.

zPOOPzMay 16, 20199 votes

Last time I checked, the server is called "NA", stands for "North America". Last time I checked the map, North America also includes Mexico and Canada. "North America" does not have an official language and expecting everyone to speak English on the "North America" server does not seem like a reasonable expectation.

DOUBLE TAPPED EMay 16, 201910 votes

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Last time I checked, the server is called "NA", stands for "North America". Last time I checked the map, North America also includes Mexico and Canada. "North America" does not have an official language and expecting everyone to speak English on the "North America" server does not seem like a reasonable expectation.

Still doesn't answer the question, what does language have to do with race? My friend Jin is technically "Korean" by race, but speaks only English... So please, explain to me how you make the leap from language to race.

It's funny, people like you run around virtue signalling with your "omg this is racist and that's racist" but do you ever stop to think that racism is a REAL and TERRIBLE thing that you are diluting with your nonsense? Probably not.

zPOOPzMay 16, 20191 votes

Still doesn't answer the question, what does language have to do with race? My friend Jin is technically "Korean" by race, but speaks only English... So please, explain to me how you make the leap from language to race.

I know this "you" is definitely a direct address to me. See below.

It's funny, people like you run around virtue signalling with your "omg this is racist and that's racist" but do you ever stop to think that racism is a REAL and TERRIBLE thing that you are diluting with your nonsense? Probably not.

People like me? Where in this entire thread did I accuse anyone of being racist or even discussed racism? I only commented on 1 part of your comment and it was obvious I was not discussing the other half. I understand the "you" is being used as a general term and not a direct address to me, but you are directly replying to my comment and the "like you" implies I am part of it. Could had drop the "like you" and go with just "people" if you want to be general.

FlashesMay 19, 20191 votes

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Still doesn't answer the question, what does language have to do with race? My friend Jin is technically "Korean" by race, but speaks only English... So please, explain to me how you make the leap from language to race.

It's funny, people like you run around virtue signalling with your "omg this is racist and that's racist" but do you ever stop to think that racism is a REAL and TERRIBLE thing that you are diluting with your nonsense? Probably not.

Queen WeeB what school does Jin go to, if he goes to one? i just want to know for personal reasons

Ph03n1xb1rdMay 16, 20194 votes

TBH even on the EUW server, we expect everyone to speak english. "Expect" is maybe not the best word, but by default we assume, they speak english, and whenever i try to communicate with my teammates i do it in english.

Also, when i talked with my premade in some other language, and i was asked to speak english i did not see any problem in it. IDK why is this even a case here....

rujitraMay 16, 20194 votes

You are incorrect. The United States of America does not, nor has ever, had an "official language" in any law whatsoever.

The Federal Government uses English as a primary language not because it is mandated by any law, but simply because that is the language with which it can reach the most citizens/residents, and it is the one that is most likely to be spoken by residents. However, there are government services in certain parts of the country where signage/materials/business is conducted in another language primarily, or in the case of a select few, in another language entirely.

There is no official language in the United States. Further, there is no "US server" in League of Legends. There is a "North America" server. However, the server names only refer to the physical location and connectivity of the servers, not that people must play them. As an example, the LAN servers are located in Miami with a direct underwater connection (not owned by Riot but shared between telecom companies) to the northern part of South America through the Caribbean. Likewise, the Russia servers are located in Germany. It is fully possible that a person living in Russia may have over 100 ping to that Germany server, but have a much better connection to the JP servers (which are geographically closer). There is no mandate that someone play on the server they're "supposed to".

Lastly, keep in mind that even the servers with the most supported languages only have 4 and 5 non-english languages supported. As an example of languages not supported on any server but with large populations of native/sole speakers in the world, we have Hindi (341 million native speakers), Arabic (319 million native speakers), Bengali (228 million native speakers), Punjabi (92 million native speakers), and dozen's more - that's just the most common. That's over a billion people that speak those four languages that you're saying shouldn't be able to play League - simply because they don't speak a supported language. That's... very entitled of you to say.

DOUBLE TAPPED EMay 16, 20199 votes

Sorry, I wasn't aware that we don't have an official language, however, I never said that people "shouldn't be able to play league," though I would like to sarcastically thank you for twisting my words to suit your narrative. You still haven't addressed my question by the way:

What does language have to do with race? Race is biological, language is cultural, and having an opinion about either is not racist if you have no prejudice or hatred toward whatever group. Ignorant? Sure. But not racist.

You are diluting and diminishing the experiences of people who suffer from real, serious, harmful racism, and it disgusts me.

Ph03n1xb1rdMay 16, 201911 votes

Asking somebody to speak English is racist? O.o

What the fuck? Do you mind to explain a bit better, what does language have to do with race?

rujitraMay 16, 20191 votes

Just as the phrase "sexist" no longer refers only to discrimination based on gender, the word "racist" includes forms of cultural discrimination now as well.

Malix FarwinMay 16, 20198 votes

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Just as the phrase "sexist" no longer refers only to discrimination based on gender, the word "racist" includes forms of cultural discrimination now as well.

what sexist still refers to only discriminating based on gender, that hasn't changed at all.

rujitraMay 16, 20191 votes

It also can refer to discrimination based on appearance (i.e. people who don't look "manly" enough), sexual orientation, or being transgender.

Nik NikersonMay 16, 20193 votes

Pretty sure we have other words for those.

MordridtheBlackMay 16, 20192 votes

no that still technically counts as being sexist

there may be other words, but that fits more directly

Nik NikersonMay 17, 20194 votes

Since when? Like seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick, but that has never been my understanding of the matter. I always thought that sexism is discrimination based upon sex, and falls under the broader category of gender discrimination, which is a broader term that would cover those other forms of discrimination. Transphobia and sexism are both forms of gender discrimination, but they aren't the same thing.

Ph03n1xb1rdMay 16, 20198 votes

Just as the phrase "sexist" no longer refers only to discrimination based on gender

Wut? O.o What else does it refers to?

the word "racist" includes forms of cultural discrimination now as well.

Well, i've never heard the word in this context, but okay. Guess i'm just too conservative, to call everything racist what i do not like.

Also, in which world is asking someone to speak a common language racist? How is it any kind of discrimination?

DOUBLE TAPPED EMay 16, 201910 votes

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Wut? O.o What else does it refers to?

Well, i've never heard the word in this context, but okay. Guess i'm just too conservative, to call everything racist what i do not like.

Also, in which world is asking someone to speak a common language racist? How is it any kind of discrimination?

People who share this new "PC" ideology are immune to reason, from what I can tell.

Babygirl YuumiMay 23, 20191 votes

Please read my final edit on the original post!

GallMay 16, 20191 votes

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rujitraMay 16, 20193 votes

It doesn't take time. If it takes you time to be a decent person and say the thing you mean to say, then you need to practice speaking more.

"Could you speak English?"

"I can't understand you."

"What does that mean?"

Took me 5 seconds to come up with all those. It's not "hard". You don't have to conjure anything. Simple English words.

Malix FarwinMay 16, 201915 votes

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It doesn't take time. If it takes you time to be a decent person and say the thing you mean to say, then you need to practice speaking more.

"Could you speak English?"

"I can't understand you."

"What does that mean?"

Took me 5 seconds to come up with all those. It's not "hard". You don't have to conjure anything. Simple English words.

No one speaks like this. how is this an argument.

Edit: I also want to point your blatant contradiction . You said you should demand someone speak a certain language(which lets be clear, the OP did not do that) and then recommend saying "Could you speak English?" which is much closer to a demand than anything the OP has said.

rujitraMay 16, 20192 votes

"Could" is a request. "any of y'all speak English" is a rude demand. Tone is important.

Furthermore, if you don't speak in a polite way by default, that doesn't give you an excuse to be an ass. Most people do learn to speak politely, but if you didn't, that's on you to fix.

DOUBLE TAPPED EMay 16, 201919 votes

Yes, tone IS important. Boy you sure do have a self-righteous one. What makes it ok for YOU to discriminate against this guy for the way he asks someone about their language? What right do you have?

EDIT (Because it doesn't show this anymore and I want to be CLEAR that I'm not being disingenuous by changing my post after-the-fact):

"any of y'all speak English" is a question. The person is asking someone if they speak English. "what language is that" is also a question.

The only way to stop being ignorant is to ask questions, which OP was trying to do, and is now being punished for trying to learn something about someone else in the only way he thought to do so.

You need to stop twisting people's words, it's a DISGUSTING habit used by WEAK-MINDED people who can't form a counter-argument without making the original argument appear invalid.

Nik NikersonMay 16, 201912 votes

No, it's not a demand at all. It's a question about someone's ability to speak English. In fact, "Could you speak English?", is more of a demand, as you're asking someone to do something, not asking about their ability to do so.

Could you possibly explain what makes "Any of y'all speak English?" more rude than, "Can you speak English?". Because I don't see it. Is it the presence of "Y'all"?

rujitraMay 16, 20191 votes

No, it's the fact that the tone of the first is much more negative and belittling than the second one.

Nik NikersonMay 16, 20198 votes

You keep claiming that, but why is it? The literal only difference is that one is grammatically incorrect and contains a colloquialism. Without context of a greater conversation, neither of them is any more negative nor belittling than the other.

Babygirl YuumiMay 16, 201913 votes

im sorry that my southern accent/way of typing is bad, as a matter of fact i think you are attacking me just for how i speak/type. It wasnt a rude statement. "any of y'all speak English" is literally "do any of you guys speak english" which is less rude than asking if they could speak it, because like a poster below said, "could you speak english" is more of a demand. I think this is total BS and the fact that you are literally agreeing with some toxic people who just wanted to ruin my day like that appalls me.

Ph03n1xb1rdMay 16, 20196 votes

He is just racist against you because of your usage of language :D He deserves a ban!

Babygirl YuumiMay 23, 20191 votes

Please read my final edit on the original post!