Permanently Banned, Support Tickets give me copy-paste responses.

TheGreatEops··156 votes·11,173 views

EDIT AS OF 19/02/2017 - Following a couple more tickets I have also been unbanned. Glad that they solved the issue, and hope all those that were banned unjustly have gotten their accounts back.

On the 10th of February I received a perma ban for the use of third party software, hacking, scripting, etc. Knowing fully well that I had never used these kinds of software, I decided the natural thing to do, is to contact Riot about it. I wrote a lengthy ticket, detailing all the software that I have running, while playing League, from skype, curse, to the antivirus, and other essential software. I also had this program that I used for language studying that copies text to clipboard when pressing left click for a longer period of time. I simply told them in a calm, and helpful manner, after all, kindness goes a long way, especially when dealing with customer support. It also seemed rather odd that I'd get a ban, after not having played for two weeks, because of exams, and the last games being me trolling my friends by playing Master Yi and Lee Sin ( which for clarification's sake, I am terrible at ). Heck, I am more than sure that the rate of scripting in normal games, with an almost full premade isn't very high, but, I understand that software can sometimes be fiddly, so I approached the situation in a manner in which, I thought, would solve it as fast as possible.

I also researched a bit into what they would mark as a third party software that is ban worthy. This is taken from their Terms of Service

ix. Using any unauthorized third party programs, including mods, hacks, cheats, scripts, bots, trainers and automation programs that interact with the Software in any way, for any purpose, including any unauthorized third party programs that intercept, emulate, or redirect any communication between the Software and Riot Games and any unauthorized third party programs that collect information about the Game by reading areas of memory used by the Software to store information;

Basically, Curse, Overwolf, and any other program I told them about in the original email, as far as I am aware of, couldn't have triggered the ban, since they do not interfere with the communication between the game and their servers, or access the areas of memory, like scripts would. I also thought that maybe adding the Japanese voices into the game using Wooxy, before they were released could have triggered it, but it's been almost an year since I did that, and again, the only category that could have qualified for, at least at a glance, was mods. I say at a glance, since the wording would imply that they have to actually, again, interfere with the packages sent between the game/client, and the server.

However, in the case of such a delicate issue, such as a permanent ban, I wasn't expecting a copy-pasted, robotic, response. The "employee" who handled my ticket, basically rewrote the original ban email. Don't believe me ? Here, have a look :

Your account: was banned due to the use of malicious 3rd party programs or modifications to your League of Legends client. We believe that all players should play on equal footing in an effort to promote competitive sportsmanship.

--Original email

Your account has been permanently suspended following the use of scripts, hacks, exploits or unauthorized third-party programs in League of Legends. Accounts that are caught using hacks to gain an unfair competitive advantage are subject to permanent suspension. We work hard to preserve a fair and competitive environment in League of Legends.

--Response

The funny thing is they also added something about account sharing at the end of it, to make sure that they covered all their bases, just in case. Course, I did tell them that I have never shared my account info with anyone.

I followed up that ticket with another one, in which I basically said the same things I have said in this post. Haven't gotten a response yet, although I doubt this one would be too different from the last one. I really do hope they don't just have slips of paper that the use when responding to customer issues.

Honestly, if they do not solve this issue, I do not see myself ever coming back to this game, or any of they future games for that matter. It has been a horrible experience, and being overly vague, and unresponsive is the cherry on top. It's more than just losing an account that I have been working on, and spending money on for over 6 years now, it's about it being forcefully taken away, and me being hit by a bat all at the same time.

Links to ticket text ---

https://gyazo.com/d1ef5b5ef20747c44a101806f9409356 -- Initial ticket

https://gyazo.com/3e39279bc9a8fa2eb6dd191fd9857dcd -- Follow-up one ( In hindsight, maybe the "I'll go and complain about it online" part might have been a bit of a childish response to the issue, but I was fuming )

https://gyazo.com/a0cd0e12b6d9d0b1b74613603cdb838a -- Response I got

EDIT -- Received a new response. This one seems to be written by a person, although it still doesn't solve anything https://gyazo.com/f600676a80fec5c7cafc990a323b40ed

A couple of issues I have with this response. I am trying my best to keep it civil, and understand their point of view as well. It states that I have used software for competitive gain, a list of my most recent match history would, sadly, tell you otherwise. Another thing he pushes in the reply is the "Proof" part. I never asked for a full guide detailing all what programs I used, and how they affected their game/server to trigger the ban. I gave them a list of programs, and asked them to tell me who the culprit was so that I could uninstall it. Moreover, if it actually was Overwolf, which I honestly doubt, they simply are, and excuse the harsh, but necessary words, a pack of blithering idiots, who do whatever they want to.

Furthermore, all I am getting from this response is "I couldn't care less." No attempt to look into the issue, no attempt to work together. They simply are full of themselves.

"In the dark, it's f-in dark, light a match, and look around you moron."

https://gyazo.com/27d86dc0aa55782b786f2b52bc2dfe22 -- Match History. Might not be relevant since it's just the last games, but whatever.

https://gyazo.com/13ef06ff745257510bae5de433bc065f -- pastebin of the most recent ticket, since for some reason, I can't read my ticket back...

EDIT 2:

https://gyazo.com/74804a73ae838dd15b459d75881dd8cd -- Finally, something to go on. I'll ask them to review my login history, maybe I got hacked. At least now I can rule out basically all the programs I used. Basing everything on this https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5tnhdo/to_all_eune_players_change_your_passwords/

I have asked Battlethirst for more info, even if he added the "The matter is now closed thing". I asked about hardware, and security issues. He did confirm that scripts were detected.

EDIT 3 - https://gyazo.com/49a25bb3e5771d8156c40bf8d16ce9f0 I honestly have no idea how to respond to this.

Apparently telling me if my keyboard is too fast for their server is "confidential info".

EDIT 4 - Forgot to pastebin the last message I gave them with a lot of questions. Basically most of them were in regards to hardware. Such as : "Is it the keyboard switches" "Is it me getting bigger monitors". He said he can't answer those questions since it's confidential info. Either he threw the towel in, or THIS IS the actual issue. How stupid would that be...

Oh yeah, almost forgot. I did also ask them if me using my graphics tablet was the issue. So right now, we have 3 contenders for stupid reasons to get banned folks. I'd make a poll, but there's still a slight chance that it might not have been that.

In any case, don't Lingoes with League, it MIGHT get you banned, if you left click. The clipboard is scary indeed.

https://gyazo.com/7bad27f7c60ec42281eae41371088752 -- Nvm, found it. All these questions have confidential answers.

Aaaand now they've started to ignore my tickets. Even if I get my account back I don't see myself playing the game ever again.

147 Comments

Supz43 votes

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TheGreatEops34 votes

Yep, honestly I don't think he was very pleased with being called a bot.

It's fine, I'll just keep pestering them till they block my ip. Oh wait, dynaaaAAAAaaaamic ip. Top kek.

But seriously now, that guy could care less about helping me out.

MinaZer02 votes

To gain an unfair Competitive Advantage

That's why I have 5 accounts, and I don't play ranked on my main (most money invested) anymore. lol good call

Challenger Ahri4 votes

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That's why I have 5 accounts, and I don't play ranked on my main (most money invested) anymore. lol good call

What does playing ranked on your main have to do with all of this? People are getting banned for playing normals as well, not just ranked. o_o. Also, 5 accounts is also irrelevant because if one acct is flagged, all 5 would be.

MinaZer02 votes

Simple, I don't use 3rd party shit, and even If I got flagged for third party shit, I have 5 accounts to choose from and no, If one of your accounts gets "flagged" all of your accounts do not follow, you are braindeadedly paranoid.

competitive gain

the essence of that phrase doesn't nearly affect normals as it does ranked.

Challenger Ahri5 votes

If you have something on your computer flagging an account, unless you have 5 computers, it will flag them as you use them. Competitve also means normals. You think just because someone scripts in normals, or even just bot games, they won't be banned? The system is not biased towards only rank. If you are accused of scripting on your main for whatever reason (false or not) that acct is banned. Not safe just because you don't rank on it, wth? Lmao.

Gibbens6513 votes

I have 2 accounts. one I play with my wife, the other is my main squeeze. Main got "flagged". Curse is the only thing I have ever had for LoL. And that is only because it was already there from playing WoW. So no, both accounts don't get flagged.

Challenger Ahri3 votes

{quoted}

I have 2 accounts. one I play with my wife, the other is my main squeeze. Main got "flagged". Curse is the only thing I have ever had for LoL. And that is only because it was already there from playing WoW. So no, both accounts don't get flagged.

It could be flagged right now, and you don't know it. They go through each one, so some people aren't banned until a year later. There is no way you can say it's not flagged unless you work for Riot.

Gibbens6513 votes

Yeah, I guess it could be flagged. My statement is probably not completely accurate. Sorry about that, it's hard to post with normal thinking when you've been banned with no clue how.

Challenger Ahri4 votes

{quoted}

Yeah, I guess it could be flagged. My statement is probably not completely accurate. Sorry about that, it's hard to post with normal thinking when you've been banned with no clue how.

It's alright. If I lost my account with no knowledge why, I would be upset too.

Mecha MaIphite10 votes

I don't want to believe this is sarcasm, but it surely looks like he is mocking you. Am I missing something?

Yeah, that sounded kind of passive aggressive. Seemed to be saying "go cry if that makes you feel better".

NiceTryVi8 votes

Yeah that is insanely rude and unprofessional. I don't know how the fuck he got into support and help, but he is clearly not a helpful person.

SEKAI3 votes

{quoted}

They said it themselves in response, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE, even if they find you innocent after another investigation :^)

To be fair, they actually do lift perma bans if they believe the banned is innocent after a review or something, or at least they do it sometimes.

Such as this one here on my region from 2 weeks ago.

So not all hope is lost. But idk.

I miss Jack too14 votes

It's because Rioters are useless and don't care about you.

TheGreatEops9 votes

I don't think it's that necessarily. They might be a bit full of themselves... Who knows ? I'm going to keep sending them tickets, until I get my account back.

10Tickler3 votes

Funny fact: Player Support isn't DIRECTLY riot, it's an offsite support service.

Its LiuKang8 votes

Overwolf seems to be the problem lately, every ban I've seen has come from overwolf users

DrCyanide10 votes

Overwolf itself isn't the issue. I've got Overwolf on my computer and wasn't banned, and Overwolf teamed up with Riot back in September to start a League of Legends API Challenge.

There might be a specific Overwolf plugin that's causing trouble, but it's not Overwolf itself.

Gibbens6513 votes

With this happening to so many of us. Maybe we should start a post to gather information, as it seems riot will not. Maybe something like like a list of hardware, games, drivers? I dunno much about those, but maybe we could eventually come to something that is common. I have never used overwolf. The only thing that I have that interacts with LoL is curse.

TheGreatEops8 votes

100 % agree with this. I'd rather none of my friends get banned, than get my account back.

Programs : Curse User Wooxy once or twice Overwolf Skype AMD Gaming Center -- this one sometimes tells me how much of a game I have played Avira AV Hamachi -- pretty sure it's offline tho Razer Synapse Corsair Utility Engine

Hardware : Processor - Inter Core i7 950 @ 3.07GHz 3.19 GHz RAM - 12 GB 64 bit Windows 7 AMD Radeon R9 200 Series Razer Ouroboros Mouse Corsair K70 RGB Rapidfire Keyboard -- if they banned me for the rapidfire switches I'll laugh for an entire day

Haven't updated drivers in a while, because last time they crashed both League and Overwatch. So I reverted back.

Not sure why games would cause anything to go haywire.

Other programs that are "potential tools for mischief" are basically Visual Studio, and the Python IDE.

Patsys Revenge8 votes

Same thing happened to me last year. Didn't play for almost a month because of finals / graduating, then I get an email saying my account has been permanently suspended due to 3rd party software use. I got a similar response saying the ruling is final and can't be reversed. I had been playing since 2011 and had put quite a bit of money into my account, but what bothered me the most was the nostalgia connected with my account. At the time I had Skype and Curse on my computer. Since then I've made a new account and leveled it to 30. I haven't put more than $20 into the account though..... If there's a chance it could be randomly banned.

PoltergeistZ6 votes

So if I use overwolf I will get banned?

FANTYhunter8 votes

U can get banned even if u dont use jack shit. If the automated sistem finds you guilty u are donezo, bcause there is no human input involved. Every program can be faulty even more so if it s programmed by riot games.

PaladinNO6 votes

Are they saying Wooxy isn't allowed anymore now? And what about Championify? It interacts like hell with the game files (we all know custom itemsets gives "a measurable advantage"), yet that is Red stated to be legal.

TheGreatEops9 votes

Based on my chats with them, none of these were the issues. Right now, I'm beginning to think that it's either the keyboard or me getting bigger monitors. And yes, I am serious... They said it's confidential and cannot disclose.

Myrza5 votes

I've seen a lot of these threads recently and I'm really sorry for what's happening right now. I honestly don't know why they can't tell you what's going on. For example, let's say that it was the keyboard. Why couldn't they say something like "we have found that it has been your keyboard causing the problems" or "we suspect there might be <insert whatever computer problem here> is on your PC." That doesn't tell you how they found out (so the process is still confidential), it just tells you the source of the problem.

Edit: From what I've gathered in all these threads popping up, it looks like Curse might be the one that's triggering the system, but I have no idea as to why you would get banned for using something that Riot seems to be in support of.

JinAsakura6 votes

Managed to get a response off Riot tantram will paste it below.

It's not my area of expertise, but I have let the experts know that people are curious.

In my experience, the 3rd party bans are very very very .. very accurate. Most of the time when people genuinely didn't script and get punished, it's because they gave their account to a friend, a booster, or purchased an account from someone who did. Boosters script all the time, and it's a surefire way to get your account banned.

Scripting communities even get together and draft responses together, in an attempt to make their requests seem more legitimate by flooding forums/support with similar requests.

P0IS0N IVY6 votes

It's really unfortunate that gaming companies have the right to ban you simply because they want to. This is getting to be a bigger and bigger issue since online games are so rampant these days and players don't actually have a right to anything. However, not enough people care to get it changed. I've seen so many of these issues in League and in other games that I'm getting more and more hesitant to spend money. I've been banned myself in a different game for abusing a bug I've never heard of. Usually, to get some modicum of attention for these cases, you have to send in a lot of tickets. A LOT. And yes, making it public also helps. I'm glad Riot hasn't deleted this thread yet. I know a lot of companies like to do that.

JinAsakura5 votes

To be honest at this point it would be nice for Riot just to comment on the Issue, I understand that probably everyone who has been given these bans complain even when they are guilty, however surely with this number of cases everyone can't be lying.

wonthree5 votes

@TheGreatEops, I feel you man, my 8 year account, every champion owned, plat 4 account got perma'd for the SAME thing. And they found that I DID get hacked, and still they said it has nothing to do with them. It was my fault I didn't keep my account secure enough. So I feel ya man*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

Master Spookums5 votes

Yeah my account got hacked aswell and they permabanned my account even though it wasn't my fault and they said the same thing to me aswell.

Spaceman5pff4 votes

You really can't expect them to be specific with you about this.

I am sure they would LIKE to be specific with you, but revealing exactly WHAT triggered the detection system could allow scripters / hackers to start adjusting their programs to avoid it. It simply compromises their system.

TheGreatEops21 votes

I completely agree, however, not even looking into the issue is what annoys me. And even so, this doesn't cover the issue of false positives. If a program that does not interfere with League, let's say I'm running a compiler program in C++, make a pointer, and go wild through my memory, because I am inexperienced with programming or just testing things and happen to jump into the memory space of League, since I forgot to close it. That would result in me getting banned ( assuming a couple of rights and memory access regulations are not taken into consideration ). However, what if I am not a programmer. I install let's say Skype to talk to my friends. Skype gets updated, I get the most recent version, my friends don't. It, sadly, has one of those bugs that grants access to a different memory space. It gets me banned, and all because someone can't do their job.

As a player, I expect Riot to then inform me of the issue, and tell me to uninstall the latest version of Skype, do a PSA, post on reddit or whatever, not give me a ban, and put the bots to answer all my tickets.

I never expected a response that details how I managed to get flagged. Why would I ?

Spaceman5pff3 votes

Most of these posts cry about wanting an explanation.

TheGreatEops7 votes

I'm trying to be reasonable with them. I undestand what they can, and can't say. However, they have been instances where they told people more details ( two examples in the ticket I just sent back to them ). Feels rather, inconsistent, seems to indicate that they don't actually care about anything, but skins, and twitch streamers yo ! ( might be a bit of a general view on things, but when streamers get people instantly banned, and receive a "Hey, we banned him !" response, kinda makes you think, you know ? )

Skins Project3 votes

The thing is streamers kinda have evidence ._. (Video proof) & this is a bug that's been going around for a while, just wait a few days & try again.

ahferroin73 votes

Um, no, some random pointer is going to get you a segmentation fault in your program, not stomp on data in another program, unless any of the following are the case:

  1. You are running in kernel mode (ring 0 or -1 on x86).
  2. Your wild pointer is a kernel pointer and the OS is missing pointer checks on stuff incoming from userspace.
  3. Your wild pointer combines with a secondary bug which triggers execution of random memory which happens to call whatever your OS's equivalent of ptrace() is with exactly the right arguments.

In other words, you're not getting random memory in League corrupted by an outside source unless:

  1. You've got a rootkit or some other malware.
  2. You've hit a bug in the OS kernel itself (note, this is insanely unlikely on Windows because of the way drivers are designed, you're exponentially more likely to get a BSOD than random memory corruption).
  3. You have failing hardware (bad memory modules could in theory trigger their anti-cheat detection based on how they've described it, as could almost any other hardware that's directly accessible to the CPU (since almost everything in most modern computers is DMA capable)).
Master Spookums4 votes

Yeah I received a copy pasted response aswell, so i sent another ticket and they closed the ticket with in hours. 3rd time I got someone that responded to my ticket even though they made a mistake and they stated it my account was still permanently suspended. I sympathies with you, I had my account since 2011 and but over $1000+ into it and they wont even work out the issue with me.

TheGreatEops3 votes

Seems that they have started to ignore me. Oh well, I'm starting to care less and less, about this game and the company. If they are this horrid at dealing with customers, I'll gladly take my business elsewhere.

Kuad4 votes

I only used razer comm and got banned

SturmPioniere3 votes

So, let me just get this straight... You have a program that when under social circumstances performs a series of keyboard commands for you?

Might want to have a talk with them about your translation software.

TheGreatEops3 votes

Not exactly. It's a program that runs a macro, similarly to having an extra set of keys on your keyboard, and pressing a key to run let's say 2 + W on Lee Sin. However, I think I'll just uninstall it, just in case...

But again, I doubt this was the issue. I think it was probably me playing League with the graphic tablet some time ago. Sporadic cursor movement => system detects you moving differently than usually => ban flag. I might be wrong. Who knows...

Leetri1 votes

I know in Overwatch they'll ban you if you use macros for anything that would require more than 1 button press, like say Crouch and Shoot being bound to 1 button. I don't remember Riot's stance, but it's entirely possible they have a very similar policy.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Afaik macros are illegal. It's been a long time ago on the old forums when macros started to became popular where i'm certain about reading that riot is against macros. From my MMO time in SWtor i know that macros in PvE and also PvP were also forbidden. I wouldn't be surprised if riot has the same stance since it gives you a heavy advantage above other players.

Mtbred3 votes

I am in the same boat, I was convinced it was because I had skyrim running with script extender for mods while league was running in the background but am not entirely sure anymore. After reading sounds like some people may think it would be related to plays.tv one of the pieces of software that is added with AMD GPUs. Either way reached a point where they basically have decided that I scripted even though I didn't and I don't want to put the effort into leveling another account without knowing what could have given a red flag. Not to mention I'm disappointed by the loss of skins and such. Either way it's an awful way to leave League

Únseen3 votes

they said the same exact things to me i got banned and i use overwolf

Facebeater3 votes

I think these threads deserve a red response. There are literally thousands of people commenting on these third party bans.

Downsy Dolphin2 votes

Just got an email saying my account was fasle flagged.

We are writing to let you know that we’ve done some additional case review, and your account was incorrectly identified as having violated the League of Legends’ Terms of Use. As such, we will be lifting your permanent suspension, and effective immediately, you should be able to log in. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience that may have been caused.

Freaker Play2 votes

My account got unbanned aswell! I am so happy because I knew I didn't do anything wrong!

NGBF Failjeur2 votes

Riot don't have time for such issues They have to make new skins

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