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Permanently banned (NEED HELP)

Sucade··1 votes·1,157 views

I was just automatically banned for my in game comms being EXTREMELY INFLAMMATORY AND OFFENSIVE.

As you can see from my chat logs the auto ban was unjust as I said nothing that was deserving of a perma ban. Iv'e had one been before this where I said kys. I have been playing over 150 games without any toxic behavior and this game is the one that perma bans me. Can someone help me?

Game 1 Sucade: camp harder Sucade: :D Sucade: gl guys Sucade: i made it real easy for you Sucade: :D Sucade: lee sin did something PogChamp Sucade: 25 Sucade: nice spelling btw Sucade: Huh, figured you were thirteen or something withthe way you're behaving.* Sucade: np Sucade: you dont gank Sucade: you cant complain Sucade: gj lee sin Sucade: she 1shots me now Sucade: what do u want me to do there garen Sucade: you didnt gank at all Sucade: ok i sit under turret now Sucade: im farming Sucade: just like u were farming in my lane Sucade: can u stop inting please Sucade: see Sucade: ez Sucade: dont feed we win Sucade: s1mple Sucade: this lee man Sucade: report lee sin plz Sucade: lee sin refuses to group and is inting Sucade: reported. Sucade: Yeah everyone just report lee for trolling and shen for toxicity Sucade: gg Sucade: he wasnt there though Sucade:  Sucade: he was at wolves Sucade: lmao Sucade: not really Sucade: you called me trash Sucade: thats toxic Sucade: enjoy ban

77 Comments

General Esdeath 2 votes

Classic

ISOzHell1 votes

Just block them man and move on. Don't even comment.

Sucade1 votes

Can't do that when i'm banned forever now, can I? I would like you or anyone else to find the reason why I should be banned. There is no sentence in that game that should have gotten me banned.

elo trash1 votes

even if we demanded to unban you, riot wouldnt do it. Perma bans are only undone if it is there mistake, and its not there mistake here. sorry best of luck on a new acct i guess.

Sucade1 votes

There obviously was a mistake here as it was an automatic ban. There wasn't even a review for the ban and there's nothing I said that should have had me banned. It's a false positive.

elo trash2 votes

I wouldnt call this a mistake at all, it did its job fine.

You harrassed your team and broke the rules of the game.

Sucade1 votes

I didn't harass anyone.

elo trash2 votes

Chat logs said you did, system said you did. You harassed your team end of story pal. Best of luck in the future.

Sucade1 votes

Chat logs do not show that I harassed anyone.

System mistaked me saying "trash" as toxic behavior.

I deserve to be unbanned.

elo trash3 votes

Look pal, you were toxic. no mistake was made you were banned, move on already.

If you really want send in a ticket to riot, they will just tell you what everyone here on the boards is saying. You had multiple punishment teirs and multiple chances to reform and you didnt This ban was deserved.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Sucade1 votes

I had ONE ban before this, in which I learned from. I haven't been toxic since that ban. If I knew this was a bannable offense, I would have never said it. I genuinely thought I was helping and not harassing. Ban was not deserved.

elo trash2 votes

Obviously you didn't learn from that one ban. Harassment is a form of toxicity. This is a perfectly good bannable offense, if you had done this in my game i would have muted you instantly for being annoying.

ban was perfectly deserved in my eyes, Riots system didn't make a mistake. You annoyed people in your game, on your team and on the enemy team.

Calling for reports alone is punishable (even tho it is a slight punishment)

Before the ban you had multiple warnings

The system has collected enough on you to where it deemed you too toxic to play. Best of luck on another account.

ps: The system doesnt count how many games it takes for you to "reform" it monitors your behavior in the game and according to what it monitored you did not reform at all, this is why such a light punishment ultimately got you.

~ elo trash

Sucade1 votes

0 warnings.

1 instant ban for 2 week suspension 1 perma ban for this "Harassment" that I didn't even know was a form of harassment and according to riot it's not a form of harassment. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Jo0o1 votes

Not the worst logs, but certainly negative. You're harassing your team the whole game, accusing them of inting and rallying for reports. That's potentially worthy of a chat restriction, and since you had a 14-day ban only a month ago, your next punishment is an automatic perma.

You can always try a support ticket to see if somebody will show you leniency at Riot, but I'm quite sure their response is going to be similar to mine: They'll point out that your account was on critically thin ice already from your 14-day ban, and that you continued to be overly negative and toxic towards your team despite knowing that.

Sucade1 votes

I was encouraging my team by saying we could still win if we didn't feed. The lee sin was obviously dying on purpose and even said "Enjoy your loss". And since when was rallying for reports bannable? I was informing the other team of my teammates toxicity and inting.

Jo0o6 votes

No.

You don't get to make that determination. If it's your belief that somebody is breaking the rules, you can report them and let Riot make the call.

I'm looking at your match history now, and this game that got you banned is a TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE for why rallying for reports is toxic. Your Lee Sin went 0/4/4 that game. He did poorly, sure. But with a respectable CS and normal build, it is VERY likely that he was simply having a sub-par game, and/or is a sub-par player. Yet, you took it upon yourself to CONSTANTLY harass this guy, up to the point of trying to get him banned. THATS why you got banned.

Sucade1 votes

If you read my other comments you could see that lee sin said "Enjoy your loss" and was purposely inting. If you could watch the match you would agree with me.

Crystalysk3 votes

Btw 1 report as the same value of 9. That's why you don't need to ask for reports.

Jo0o5 votes

Who gives a shit?

Fresh off your 14-day ban, you took it upon yourself to actively campaign against somebody for what you believe to be intentional feeding, despite the guy only dying four times in 28 minutes. Mentioning you suspected they were inting once or twice probably wouldn't have mattered, but you spent an entire game doing it.

Let's be clear: Even if you're 100% correct about Lee's intentions (You probably aren't), this was a monumental mistake on your part. You either harassed a troll or harassed a noob, and Riot just sees the harassment. And all this at honor 0, when you had been explicitly warned that your next screw-up would be a perma. Come on.

Sucade1 votes

Fresh off? It's been at least a month (maybe 2), and I have over 150 games with honors after my ban. I'm never toxic and this DOES NOT fall under harassment. When your teammate says they're going to lose on purpose, what do you make of it?

I genuinely want to know your answer to him saying "enjoy your loss".

Jo0o4 votes

Almost exactly one month, I checked your history. That's not enough. Getting your account back in good standing after a 14-day ban takes at least several months of good behavior, and your honor level 0 should have reflected that to you.

"Enjoy your loss" can mean several different things. Maybe he blamed YOU for the loss and said it out of spite. Regardless, there's no real justification for harassing people. You're expected to keep that to yourself and just report at the end of the game.

Sucade1 votes

Banning someone that has no idea this is a rule is dumb. I have never been told or warned that it's a bannable offense. I would have never said it if I knew it was bannable. I had no idea 1 report is the same as 9. I just wanted to get the toxic troll banned. Do you really think my intention was to be aggressive and toxic? I just want to play league of legends without trolls and I get the exact opposite of it.

Chermorg5 votes

It should not need an explicit rule to know that any kind of harassment is not okay. This includes harassing someone by threatening them with reports.

Mister Modesty2 votes

nicely explained, I think

verysalt2 votes

Calling of reports been considered as harassment for at least half in year.

exxpose1 votes

Do you have a source for this? It's not explicitly written in the rules...

Harry Dresden3 votes

Read the linked forum post Specifically the stuff Riot Employees said, they clarify

Sucade1 votes

As someone who is very new to this game and has never been banned for this reason before, is it really fair? I always tell the other team to report someone being toxic/inting on purpose. I had no clue it was bannable and was never warned that this would get me banned. Since my 2 week suspension I have been avoiding saying toxic things and if I knew that this was bannable I would have never said it. This really doesn't fall under harassment when i'm "harassing" someone trolling on purpose.

verysalt2 votes

Didn't anyone told you that you will be reported yourself for harassment ? Sometimes I do when dudes in my team calls for reports on me, obviously, they never listen.

Sucade1 votes

Never told once. Iv'e been telling people to report trolls since I first started this game and have never had a warning that it's against the rules. Even this post says it's NOT against the rules https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Sir Ticklesword1 votes

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Never told once. Iv'e been telling people to report trolls since I first started this game and have never had a warning that it's against the rules. Even this post says it's NOT against the rules https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Reread the post. You will not be punished for asking for justified reports. You will be punished for using report calling as a form of harassment. You not only did that to Lee, who you were being negative to when he was just having a bad game, you even went as far as threatening him with a ban (enjoy ban is the same damn thing). You posting that over again is actually proving you deserved your punishment.

Crystalysk1 votes

When did you get your 14 days ban?

Sucade1 votes

It had to be at least over a month ago and since then iv'e played at least 100 games with positive behavior and a slew of honors.

Crystalysk2 votes

I'm sorry for your permaban, chat logs weren't the worst i've seen... I see you didn't know that harassing people calling reports and being negative are both worth a ban.

Though you had 14 days to read the ToS and make sure you wouldn't have done another mistake :/ Even just checking the boards here would have helped.

Sucade1 votes

I feel that riot should be more vocal that it falls under harassment if they're going to permanently ban people for it. There really is no reason for my ban.

Crystalysk2 votes

It's stated that after a 14 days ban Riot won't tolerate any of your harass, even the little ones. Even though i feel bad for you and i'm sorry about that, you really can't say this is a Riot mistake.

Sucade1 votes

Why is it considered harassment? Someone is dying on purpose and ruining the game experience for everyone else. They say "enjoy your loss". I'm not harassing at all, i'm just letting other people know to report the troll.

Crystalysk2 votes

Because like i said, Riot considers it like harassment. Like i said in a comment below, 1 report has the same value of 9 reports! Therefore you don't nedd to call for reports

exxpose1 votes

Where is it written in the rules that you're not allowed to ask for reports on someone? As far as I'm aware it's not written in the rules...

Crystalysk2 votes

I'm sorry but i'm not going to argue any longer ^^ If you think you are right, just send a ticket and try to get your account back. Good luck :)

exxpose1 votes

I'm not OP, it's not my account that was banned, and I'm not arguing with you. I merely asked for a source for your statement which you have failed to provide me with a source.

And there literally is no explicitly written rule in the Riot TOS or Support topics stating explicitly "you cant ask your team to report a player". Which is why I asked for a source in the first place. The information isn't written down anywhere officially.

Yikes

Crystalysk1 votes

Oh, sorry about that, that was my bad. Didn't notice you weren't the OP.

Mister Modesty1 votes

Sucade: nice spelling btw Sucade: Huh, figured you were thirteen or something withthe way you're behaving.* Sucade: np Sucade: you dont gank Sucade: you cant complain Sucade: gj lee sin Sucade: she 1shots me now Sucade: what do u want me to do there garen Sucade: you didnt gank at all Sucade: ok i sit under turret now Sucade: im farming Sucade: just like u were farming in my lane Sucade: can u stop inting please

Stay away from the "enter" button and you'll have better games.

Sir Ticklesword1 votes

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I feel that riot should be more vocal that it falls under harassment if they're going to permanently ban people for it. There really is no reason for my ban.

They have been vocal about it. Stated multiple times across multiple threads similar to yours. Report calling is harassment. 1 report is enough. You didn't need to drag your crap into chat. In fact, your minor case of negativity is what got you banned. Look at it any way you want, you rallied against a player and acted like a jerk.

exxpose1 votes

Do you have a source for where Riot has been vocal about rallying for reports?

OnlyYouCanHearMe3 votes

Sure. This is from the EUW Boards, from Husker, source thread Dear Riot...some clarification please.

Hey all. I don't specifically work on the team that deals with reports, but hopefully I can provide some clarity.

To address point one of the OP - Calling for others to report a player is a punishable offense. It is a form of bullying and as such is against the summoner code. It should always be a personal decision for each player as to whether or not they feel another player warrants a report. In fact, do feel free to tell your team mates that "report calling" in itself counts as harassment. Flaming and bullying a player will never help them to improve their game mechanics, communication etc. Take five minutes to add someone and talk to them after game. Perhaps do some customs to help them learn a champion, or how to gank or how to use vision.

To the second point of the OP - Don't worry about how many reports a player receives at the end of a given game. What's important is that if you feel a player truly deserves to be reported, that you do so. Don't feel pressured in to doing something by your team mates asking you to report a player. It's all recorded and all counts. As for the specifics of how the system deals with reports, I can't go in to detail.

As always, the report system is a continually in development and will continue to evolve to be as useful as possible.

Hope this helps!

Here is an additional quote from Riot Tantram in clarification to the thread referenced by the OP regarding calling for reports.

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1NGnychF,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-29T21:04:59.627+0000)

That post can be a little confusing.

The post was made to address confusion players had, thinking that asking for reports was akin to hate speech / zero tolerance and directly resulted in a ban. This is not true. But, asking for reports CAN be a way of harassing players. In that case, the system can detect that you are using it as a means of harassment. A single 'report xx' isn't going to cause a penalty. But calling someone a feeder for having a poor game, telling people to report them for int'ing, etc .. is all going to be considered negative.

Riot doesn't define what is acceptable/unacceptable. It is the player base that decides that. Our systems learn from our players. Just like how players taught the system that GGEZ is pretty BM, players also taught the system that 'report xxx for int'ing' when they are not, is also negative.

I admit that the recent post was rather confusing.

Basically, there's no reason to ever call for reports. The system is set up so that every report that is submitted is reviewed. It only takes a single report to have a player reviewed. Having additional reports does not "strengthen" the report value of a game. So, by calling for reports from teammates, all a player is doing in essence is threatening the offending player. And when it is done multiple times in a match, it becomes harassment.

exxpose2 votes

Thanks for the source! I'll be sure to never write "report xyz for ____" in a game ever again. I wish I had known this information when I've received my chat restrictions in the past since I never use profanities or severely flame my team mates. But I do slip out a few lines of "you're feeding" and "report xyz for inting". I think my penalties could have been completely prevented if Riot had been transparent and upfront about this being a punishable offence. I spent so much time reading over my chat longs trying to figure out what exactly I said that was toxic, when nothing in my chat logs was toxic.

Majority of new players don't even know the forums exist.

It's like Riot is setting us up for failure by not disclosing this information to us.

I'm sure that the OP of this topic(the one who got banned) would have never said "report xyz for inting" if he had known beforehand that it was a punishable offence. If Riot had been upfront and highlighted specifically what caused someone's punishment (not just c/p someone's entire chat log which includes random chatter and positive reinforcement comments), then so many people could have prevented their accounts from being banned.

It seems really shady and corrupt on Riot's part. "We're not going to tell the user what's punishable, let them get their account banned so they're forced to make a new one and spend even more money".

I would love to receive some kind of explanation detailing exactly what merited the punishment, along with the chat logs and the offensive lines actually highlighted in the log.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

The thing is, saying "report xyz for ___" once isn't going to get you punished. Even in this OPs logs, it isn't the fact that he said report the Lee for trolling that got him. It's the fact that he spent the entire match harassing that Lee for something. I'm not saying what the Lee was doing was right, or okay; he may very well have been trolling the entire match. We can't watch it to know for sure. But whether he was or not, the OP was on his case the entire match long, and odds are, either the Lee Sin, or one of the other people on the team didn't appreciate it and reported the OP for it.

Let me link you two additional quotes from the thread that the OP was linking, since they tend to give a bit better of an example as to how the system might view report calling.

[{quoted}](name=Riot NaKyle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PzY1ArN3,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-03-28T22:29:27.210+0000)

Yeah, that's why we're clarifying. Now let's dive into the details of this one to clear this up.

You're playing adc (in 2017), and everything's going fine. But then your jungler blows a gank mid and your midlaner goes off the deep end. They pop off with "Report troll jungler" in all chat and other, worse bullshit. Even if the other team reported that jungler, the jungler wouldn't get hit with a penalty because they didn't actually do anything wrong. However, if the jungler reports the midlaner, they're likely to get hit with a penalty depending on just how much they tilted and their game-over-game history with that type of talk.

Where the confusion creeps in is when you try to reduce things down to: Does "X" mean penalties. Instant Feedback only works that way with hate speech and threats of harm. That's the sort of harassment the team is much more focused on. Report calling is often a minor negative thing, but say there's a spectrum of chat where 1 is hyper-friendly, 5 is neutral, and 10 is literal death threats, this is like a 6.

So just saying "report troll jungler" once would only be the very lowest level of negative chat possible.

[{quoted}](name=Riot NaKyle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PzY1ArN3,comment-id=000a0002,timestamp=2017-03-29T04:02:55.266+0000)

Sure. Husker's post prompted this one. The short version is what I explained above. Basically, Husker's post mischaracterizes the severity of report calling by equating it with outright flaming and bullying. Report calling is bad but its not that bad (by what the community tells us through reports). Goes back to the 1-10 scale bit I mentioned a comment or two ago.

And this is just more clarification, that by itself, a single call for reports isn't that bad. It doesn't fall in the same category as outright flaming, bullying or other comments. And it certainly doesn't equate to hate speech. The problem is when people don't stop with a single one, and use it as a jumping off point for additional harassment.

I would love to see something in the client directing players to the Boards. Perhaps as one of those random loading screen factoids. It would also help if the Reform Cards would direct players to the Boards for additional resources, since most of us here have more time to help explain exactly why a punishment was issued and can help players keep from making the same mistakes again.

It might be worth suggesting it in a separate thread, that the Reform Cards contain some sort of highlighted text, or bolding of the lines that actually led to the punishment. If nothing else, you would get an idea of how other people feel about it. It certainly seems like a good idea to me. While I think that some things, like the hate speech, should be obvious and not need a highlighting, there are enough people who come here and genuinely don't know what led to their punishment that it might be quite useful.

Sucade1 votes

Hey, OP here. I just want to say that 99% of people wouldn't consider this harassment. I, for one, had no idea that what I was saying could fall under harassment. Iv'e never tried to get banned and would never consider what I said as a form of harassment. I have spent over $200 on this account and feel like I have been ripped since I would never say what I said if I knew it was a form of harassment. Riot should add clarification for players that never visit the forums and just play casually. The lee sin was ruining our game and I was letting the other team know. I had no ill intention whatsoever.

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