Add an option for people to remove chat complete, just like you can prevent yourself from talking in ALL, make this option for your own team. Of course riot isnt interested in reducing toxicity they rather just an automated system that bans everyone and forces them to spend more $$$$, lol riot.
Zerfallen7 votes/mute all
There you go.
Angry Monster6 votesdisable "enter" mute everyone in game, your chat is now disabled(you can do this with mouse clicks)
why does riot need to add something more? You have the tools already.
Immortal Fenix1 votesI'm not disagreeing with you, but I see his point. It's not that you don't have a full minute and a half to click every single mute button on the score overlay, but having a 'mute all' button or function/command would be kind of nice just because if -does- make the process more streamlined.
We might have the tools already, but if you had the choice of using an axe or a chainsaw to fell a tree, what would be faster, and what are you most likely to use for the job?
PDE5 Inhib1 votesAre you suggesting that it takes you a "full minute and a half" to mute everyone?
It takes like 3 seconds...
Trollo Swaggins1 voteswhy should you have to? why cant riot just ban the instigator? banning everyone is like sending the cop to jail because he shot the serial killer. they both broke the law...
oh wait, the law has a slight degree of justice. forgot this is riot.
ROFL.
PDE5 Inhib1 votesI'm confused as to how any of that text is relevant to my comment.
Horse Grenades1 votesthere is a /mute all command
Veruka5 votesIf a player is truly toxic, do you honestly think they wouldn't turn chat back ON to talk shit to their teammates? The game already HAS a feature, and people are still getting banned daily for being jerks.
This is why Riot hands down chat suspensions for toxicity. If you cannot learn to control yourself from that, well frankly you deserved to be banned.
Just my .02
T to the M1 votesAnd what about the people that get banned for responding to toxicity with toxicity? I am currently on a 14 day suspension because I refused to be bullied. It has nothing to do with controlling one self, and has everything to do with not allowing bullying to go on without words. People don't generally get banned for being toxic, they get banned because someone else was toxic and they responded to that toxicity. Period. End of story. No one gets banned for being the provocateur.
Veruka5 votesThink about what you're saying.. what could you possibly do to stop someone from harassing you over the internet? You rage out and it only serves to fuel their toxicity even more. Eventually you both become tilted and completely useless to your team. That is absolutely tragic.
You have the option to mute them and move on. You do not have to take anything from anyone. You do not have to end bullying with words, when there is a perfectly good mute option available.. When the game is over, you report them for their behavior, and you move the hell on. There is not an excuse for being toxic, and two wrongs do not make a right.
T to the M1 votesWell... a Edmund Burke quote comes to mind. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Reporting them for unsportsmanlike conduct does absolutely nothing. So there is really no reason to report. And I can bet you money, that every single game played, if you reported both teams every single time, everyone on both teams would eventually get punished. That is the point, you aren't innocent until proven guilty with this automated system. You are guilty simply because you got reported.
Veruka5 votesYour logic is flawed. If the system worked to punish you, the system will work to punish them.
IF YOU REPORT THEM.
If you won't report them, and then complain because you get reported and banned - well then, you're part of the problem.
T to the M1 votesWhen I get punished there is a reason, but there is no recourse to those that instigated my reason for being punished. Does that make sense? Should I be punished for being an asshole. Yes. Should the person that instigated me also be punished. Yes. Over and over and over again. Yes. But the truth of the matter is they will never be punished.
3TWarrior1 votesunsportsmanlike conduct covers a large majority of things, however, there will probably never be a reform statement if a player toxic to the game was a major contributor to the game by taking advantage of their team.
I had a recent example of this with an Ashe in aram...by the end of the match, the player is somewhat of a score of 40/10/20, but at the beginning of the match, instead of helping the team, the player would hold back and farm while intentionally stealing kills even if it was obvious that the other carry had them. Although the player won by "playing the game", it created a negative environment where the Ashe was so fed that the other champions could not contribute and were forced to become supporting roles, even inciting aggression from the team because the Ashe player was preventing them from playing at their full potential and tthen even taunting the team with passive aggression that is not considered toxic by the automated report system
Zerfallen5 votesJust go through these boards. It isn't hard to find the toxic players, instigators and those who were instigated, who have been punished.
T to the M1 votesGive me an example of someone that got punished for instigating someone else. I dare you.
Veruka4 votesHe just did. Seriously. Look through that link.
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation
There are PLE N T Y of examples there.
Zerfallen4 votesDid you read that thread I linked?
That person, as far as I can tell, IS an instigator.
[3:15] [All] (Draven): this kat omg [4:19] [All] (Draven): gg ff at 20
Look at the time stamps and the fact he used all chat.
T to the M1 votesHow is that instigating?
Zerfallen5 votesOkay. As I stated before, willful ignorance of presented evidence.
Here I'll help you one more time and then I am done with you.
From the same game, later on: [19:06] (Draven): LOL you LOST your lane [19:20] (Draven): 1/2 idiot [19:26] (Draven): ONE AND TWO [19:42] (Draven): LOL get reported noob [19:51] [All] (Draven): report diana.. toxic as fu [20:11] [All] (Draven): says she rekt her lane.. but loses tower.. blames me for it [20:35] [All] (Draven): she can't spell either [20:41] [All] (Draven): so salty
All said, this person was toxic and they started before the 5 minute mark even hit. They most likely were an instigator in this incident.
Leblancster2 votesOkay. As I stated before, willful ignorance of presented evidence.
Here I'll help you one more time and then I am done with you.
From the same game, later on: [19:06] (Draven): LOL you LOST your lane [19:20] (Draven): 1/2 idiot [19:26] (Draven): ONE AND TWO [19:42] (Draven): LOL get reported noob [19:51] [All] (Draven): report diana.. toxic as fu [20:11] [All] (Draven): says she rekt her lane.. but loses tower.. blames me for it [20:35] [All] (Draven): she can't spell either [20:41] [All] (Draven): so salty
All said, this person was toxic and they started before the 5 minute mark even hit. They most likely were an instigator in this incident.
The legendary 1/2 hard feeder nub.
Legend has it that she is still hard feeding to this day and that Draven is still telling her how trash she is.
Zerfallen2 votesLuckily, that Draven has a current chat ban.
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
But let us allow this legend to fade to myth. Then, for it to disappear from all memory of man.
T to the M1 votesI don't see any proof of this person instigating anything.. Because you can't see the other correspondences in the game. This person could have been responding to the enemy teams all chat. It could be any manner of things.
Zerfallen5 votesIt really doesn't matter.
If you go against the rules by being toxic and ruining the game for other players, you will be punished.
Example:
Player 01 is being toxic in All Chat. Player 06 responds to the toxic chat in All Chat with more toxicity.
Players 02, 03, 04, 05, 07, 08, 09, 10 all have to deal with this toxicity ruining their game/mood. Leading to them to report Players 01 and 06, because they don't care who started the flame war, just that they had to see it.
Both Player 01 and 06 will receive valid reports against them and possibly face different levels of punishment depending on their prior punishment standing.
Those punishments are as follows:
10 Game Chat Ban 25 Game Chat Ban 14 Day Suspension Permanent Ban
If you continue down the path you have chosen, I will await the day you come here complaining about the fourth step in the process.
Goodnight and good luck.
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
T to the M1 votesIt does matter. You can't just punish a person because they were toxic. You have to look at the reason why they were toxic in the first place if you want to truly purge the community of this rampant toxicity. It doesn't matter if x player had to deal with it in their game. If one person gets punished because of x, then you SHOULD punish both x, and the cause of that problem to begin with. And that just doesn't happen.
Zerfallen4 votesRead the example I made for you. The community holds the power here.
Just because you dislike the idea of being a part of civil society and feel the need to retaliate against violence with more violence, doesn't mean you are any less guilty in the eyes of the community.
3TWarrior2 votes"civil society" does not blame the victim XD
BTW...every militant act EVER has been instigated as a result of someone being outside of "civil society"
If you want an example of probably the only person in the world that could be named as civil, just and fair, that would probably be the Pope...and by history, even Pope have instigated wars for religious reasons and allowed heinous acts by divine right
Zerfallen4 votesAre you trying to defend retaliatory toxicity by claiming victim status?
That isn't how things work here or in the outside world.
If your coworker verbally harasses you at work, should you harass them in return?
No. You go to HR and you enter a complaint against the offender.
Harassing him back wouldn't have done anything for you, except possibly getting a valid complaint against yourself.
Now change all that to be about League. If that doesn't make sense, I got nothing for you.
3TWarrior2 votessir, life in no way works as we want it to.
Of course if they are making a public disturbance, the "coworker" would probably get reported by someone to HR, however, the system also works in reverse. If there was one person that "coworker" wanted to have their life ruined, they could just as easily do so if they put in the necessary effort
if you want a similar example, I have a cousin who was formerly a police officer. During a routine unscheduled monthly visit to an offender, my cousin discovered a gun beneath the offender's seat. The cousin followed protocol and brought in the other officers, then politely asked the person to stand so that the weapon could be determined whether it was going to be used or not
a second police officer then yells "gun!", tackles the offender, handcuffs them and claims credit and a pay raise from the superior by being the "first" to report the incident.
This is one reason why body cameras are now mandatory on police officers in many states
although this is an extreme scenario, all it takes in real life is the right incentive to create chaos in "civil society", often for the benefit of the instigator
Zerfallen3 votesI appreciate your thoughtful response but HR (Riot) has been recording everything the whole time.
They can tell who started the incident and who did or did not participate in it.
Therefore, they can enforce punishments appropriately.
Also, yes, I understand that the world we live isn't perfect. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this exchange about toxic behaviour among other things.
P.S. Your example seems to have gone away from anything I can relate to League, unless Riot started incentivising reports without informing me.
3TWarrior2 votesnow, for a non-defensive post, what I am stating is that throughout history, those who are peaceful are abused and often annihilated or forced to relocate. It is human nature to retaliate and although it is for our betterment that we teach restraint, if the source of the toxicity is removed, the "victim" or negative response does not occur.
As a game with numerous bypass methods available, there is often no consequence for a negative instigator being banned (who can then make another account using fake or differing credentials) whereas a reactant (if we were to consider it as chemistry) does not get to choose when its pair is added to it
this is why Riot has taken to automatically resolving "extreme" cases with bans to prevent such hostilities, even if such verbal abuse might have been justified (or as another post of mine indicated with the use of the Fa word, the large majority of the United States is not educated on the specific meaning of a word but instead a context when it seemed acceptable for use.
however, it does not justify that a victim is also a perpetrator
Zerfallen2 votesI completely agree that removing the source is the best way to handle the issue.
Currently, we do that by reporting the offender. We cannot remove them from the active game except by muting them.
I really doubt Riot or the community want anything to do with a in-game removal system.
Also, you can opt to "retaliate", as long as you are not being toxic or breaking other rules of course.
As for the work arounds... unfortunately, nothing will stop people from making new accounts.
We can only hope that those who choose to return to League, return to the community with a less toxic mindset.
On extreme cases.
If you ever think using hate speech, of any kind, is appropriate behaviour, then I don't know what to tell you because it isn't.
There is no excuse nor valid reason that would allow you to attack another in that manner.
I think I hit all the topics you brought up... I am getting tired.
T to the M1 votesWhat happens when you report someone to HR and nothing happens... they just ignore you reporting them. Like a lot of the times when male employees try to report their female bosses for sexual harassment. It gets ignored by HR. And the boss usually has a hand in the reason why. And then your life is hell for however long because she knows you reported her. That is more like what you see in League today... The people that get reported are the people that say, "Hey! That is inappropriate! Get your hands off me!" In this kind of an analogy.
Zerfallen2 votesWell, you were reported.
You were punished.
Seems the system is working.
T to the M1 votesLol. What TWarrior said. Lol.
Also, I love being a part of a civilized society. What I don't like is being provoked. When punished for retaliating to being provoked. The moment we as a society start punishing people for defending themselves is the moment I leave and join a new society. Which to be completely honest, we are well on our way.
Astôlfo1 votesYou can't just punish a person because they were toxic.
Uh... Yes, you can.
You have to look at the reason why they were toxic in the first place
No, you don't. The reason is irrelevant.
YondorDaChrusher4 votesBecause you end up being just as detrimental as the toxic players. Those are the exact games in which the team starts snowballing because everyone is having a fight instead of playing. You're just spreading the toxicity like a virus and honestly, no one wants to really hear any of it.
T to the M1 votesI could instantly mute everyone in the game and still get punished. I'll make an account, play the exact same way I normally play. And be permabanned in.. oh.. a month I would say. Not saying a single word the whole time because everyone is muted. Not intentionally feeding.. not spamming emotes.. that's just the way this game is.
YondorDaChrusher4 votesYou can't get banned for muting. Don't just make things up. You're doing something.
T to the M1 votesWould you like me to prove it? Because I will just for you. It might take me a month or two to get a fresh account banned, having the mute all feature being used. And I'll record every game played on that account, as well as save all of the "Reform" cards.
3TWarrior1 votesI actually would like to see this happen as a fellow LoL player. It would be beneficial to the community for riot to have a real example proven to them so that they can work on the system(if their intent is genuine)
CooL Ice Tea2 votesAnd what do you think they will send you in your reform card, whats the ban reason?
T to the M1 votesIt would say intentionally feeding. Noncommunication. Or griefing.
CooL Ice Tea2 votesFeeding - This is like saying you would get thrown out of a restaurant even if you didnt say something wrong but you pissed right in the middle of the room.
Noncommunication is not bannable. Show me a thread or a person who says he got punished for that. It doesnt happen.
Griefing in which way?
And this is btw exactly the way i mean you act like my little cousin. You search for ways now to piss people off while you overextend.
"MY MUM SAID I HAVE TO EAT EVERYTHING BEFORE I CAN STAND UP" - begins to eat the napkin
"RIOT BANNED ME CAUSE I SAID SOMETHING WRONG, I WILL JUST BE SILENT NOW" - begins to intentional feed
T to the M1 votesI have never once intentionally fed. I have never once griefed. I have never trolled anyone. Its not in my nature to want to piss people off. So how exactly am I like your cousin when I have said, and done nothing wrong to piss anyone off?
And I will show you a thread. Because I'm making a fresh account, putting everything on mute, and then I'm going to play as normal, and see how long it takes for that account to get suspended too. Complete with video of the games. Just so everyone can see that it does in fact happen.
YondorDaChrusher2 votesThey use a computer to analyze the complaints and match your behavior with what they know offenders always do. There is no tribunal. Something you're doing is matching.
Astôlfo1 votesoh look it's this troll again
T to the M1 votesYou think he is a troll because he speaks the truth about how flawed the system is?
Astôlfo1 votesIf you count the "truth" as "biased incorrect crap resulting from his salt from being banned", sure.
Astôlfo1 votesOr, people could just... not be a dick to each other. Wow! What a concept, right?
