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Insulting people is bad however its hard not to get angry when someone f#cks you over

PDTMR··2 votes·1,883 views

I understand the use of rude language is not good however there is reasoning behind each insult. I also understand that insulting people is wrong however i don;t understand how someone who has purposely sabotaged the game can send off one report that can result in a restriction. I feel like this system needs to be changed so that at least 2 reports need to be made to validate the report. As i write this i start to understand more that my insulting is wrong however when someone's actions directly result in you under performing its hard not to get angry.

Game 1: in champ select i called top and then fizz took tp without saying anything in the chat, so i took smite so that our team wouldn't be hopeless, then fizz muted all, then started taxing my jungle, then blamed me for being useless after he forced me into the jungle with laning runes and taxed my jungle. Having someone who has forced you into a position of weakness is unbelievably tilting so i did vent a lot. Im from aus so excuse the %%%% its not considered a bad insult there.

Game 2: janna doesn't poke at all in lane so i question her on this, she then explains she isn;t poking because i am building ap and says that i should be building lifesteal on varus , then she leaves my lane, goes straight mid, feeds a kill to the enemy midlaner, then procedes to stay top leaving me in a 1v2 botlane, then blames me for being behind even though she left me.

Game 3: I don't really understand why anyone in this game reported me because by the end of it we were all working really well together and ended up winning. During the midgame akali started to roam which meant she got some free kills which tilted my jungler and bot lane. Yi had been feeding all early game so this was tilting all of us but he started to farm more and by the end of the game as i said we were working together very well. I can understand this report the most because i did let my emotions overwhelm me but i was not the only one.

Game 1 PDTMR: you;re a %%%% PDTMR: ez PDTMR: nice PDTMR: you let him take my red fizz PDTMR: wtf PDTMR: your laner already did PDTMR: ape PDTMR: ? PDTMR: report this fizz please PDTMR: holy shit PDTMR: you don;t follow your laner PDTMR: you fucking apse fizz PDTMR: have you still muted us all? PDTMR: please report fizz PDTMR: wtf PDTMR: why PDTMR: wow you suck fizz PDTMR: please just report fizz PDTMR: stole my lane PDTMR: please just report fizz PDTMR: fizz you are the reason i cannot play PDTMR: i only have 170 stacks because of you PDTMR: first he steals my lane then he steals my jungle camps PDTMR: push bot ill push top PDTMR: why are you pushing a lane that has supers PDTMR: wtf PDTMR: fuck you PDTMR: kill yourself fizz i have 0 stacks PDTMR: REPORT THIS FIZZ PDTMR: you don;t understand PDTMR: i can;t do anything PDTMR: i don;t have stacks PDTMR: nasus jungle is shit PDTMR: and fizz forced me to play it PDTMR: how can you blame me PDTMR: what? PDTMR: you;re the reason we're losing fizz PDTMR: please report fizz PDTMR: steals top then blames me PDTMR: makes me useless then blames me for being useless Game 2 PDTMR: why are you not poking at all PDTMR: wtf janna PDTMR: dont use nados PDTMR: poke with zephyr PDTMR: i can;t farm PDTMR: because you are applying 0 pressure PDTMR: no i don;t PDTMR: you fckn idiot PDTMR: its ap PDTMR: varus PDTMR: its op af PDTMR: and you just fucked up the minion wave for me also PDTMR: you;re doing nothing PDTMR: and letting sona poke for free PDTMR: its ridiculous PDTMR: step up wtf PDTMR: you're actually doing nothing PDTMR: wtf is wrong with you we are 1v2 and you do nothing PDTMR: then you go and feed mid PDTMR: sona do you think janna should be poking more in lane? PDTMR: please report this janna holy shit PDTMR: dragon PDTMR: they;re doing drag PDTMR: or mid PDTMR: nice one janna PDTMR: wtf are you doing PDTMR: just attack him PDTMR: and he dies PDTMR: ? PDTMR: how am i toxic PDTMR: my support left my lane because i took dorans ring PDTMR: because we wouldn;t of died PDTMR: if he autoed PDTMR: the yi PDTMR: and the yi was targeting me PDTMR: so if you autoed him PDTMR: but his actions directly resulted in that outcome PDTMR: he is literally to blame PDTMR: i didn;t flame him PDTMR: i didn;t call him an idiot PDTMR: i just said why did you not auto him PDTMR: how is that toxic PDTMR: you know what is toxic tho PDTMR: leaving your lane because of your lane partner's item choice PDTMR: u2 PDTMR: imagine if janna stayed in my lane PDTMR: maybe we PDTMR: would still have a turret PDTMR: have you unmuted me? PDTMR: can someone please tell this janna off please PDTMR: she is the reason i do nothing PDTMR: she has fucked my lane up PDTMR: so i deserve a report because i stayed in my lane and only died to zed once PDTMR: nice ult janna PDTMR: maybe a little fucking late PDTMR: how is that my fault PDTMR: this janna is ridiculous PDTMR: please tell her to unmute me PDTMR: please PDTMR: someone PDTMR: im not gonna flame PDTMR: she just needs to know that if she isn;t with me i do nothing PDTMR: and if she is with me i can 1v5 PDTMR: 2v5 PDTMR: you have made me redundant PDTMR: no skill is involved PDTMR: i cannot do anything without you PDTMR: im not saying sorry PDTMR: she has done this PDTMR: it is her fault PDTMR: this fucking janna has destroyed our chances of winning PDTMR: how is it learning PDTMR: i had to 1v2 lane PDTMR: you fed zed PDTMR: please don;t talk janna PDTMR: its unbelievably tilting PDTMR: gg PDTMR: report janna PDTMR: literally left me in lane Game 3 PDTMR: lol PDTMR: ez PDTMR: u2 PDTMR: why id you stay wtf PDTMR: u2 PDTMR: stop fighting PDTMR: and dieing PDTMR: wtf nami PDTMR: why PDTMR: why are you feeding my lane opponent nami PDTMR: wtf PDTMR: nice int gragas PDTMR: akali went straight bot PDTMR: how could i ss PDTMR: wtf are you doing gragas PDTMR: wtf PDTMR: why would you ult him into us PDTMR: you fucking idiot PDTMR: he has more health than both of us how are we supposed to kill him PDTMR: well it just did PDTMR: we both died PDTMR: nice ks PDTMR: you have r nami PDTMR: wtf PDTMR: how am i teaching PDTMR: im just annoyed because i could have lived PDTMR: and yi is int feeding toplane PDTMR: are you fucking kidding me you and botlane are the reason she is even relevant PDTMR: teach? PDTMR: why are we still playing PDTMR: why no surrender PDTMR: we have 0 win condition PDTMR: why report me PDTMR: what have i done that is worthy of report PDTMR: please explain PDTMR: and you wanna report me PDTMR: im sorry i can;t kill the guy that killed 2 other of our teamates PDTMR: because he has been fed all game by yi PDTMR: how am i teaching you PDTMR: im just annoyed that my lane opponent who i dupstered in the early game got free kills PDTMR: i don;t think im better than you PDTMR: thats the thing PDTMR: i didn;t have a bad laning phase PDTMR: you meen map awareness PDTMR: yeah mb PDTMR: yeah me 2 and i had cooldowns so i couldn;t kill PDTMR: yeah it was close PDTMR: yeah now yi has items he's dealing damage PDTMR: gg

19 Comments

ModThe Djinn11 votes

...however when someone's actions directly result in you under performing its hard not to get angry.

Get angry? Sure, I guess. But anger doesn't directly relate to a need to express that anger in in-game chat, or the need to express it in in-game chat via insulting or blaming a teammate.

By all means be angry, if that's how you prefer to handle that sort of situation. Just keep the negativity, insults, and/or blame-placing that might accompany that angry out of chat.

PDTMR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7RwiLBLO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-03T12:22:49.618+0000)

Get angry? Sure, I guess. But anger doesn't directly relate to a need to express that anger in in-game chat, or the need to express it in in-game chat via insulting or blaming a teammate.

By all means be angry, if that's how you prefer to handle that sort of situation. Just keep the negativity, insults, and/or blame-placing that might accompany that angry out of chat.

I understand this, however why should someone who purposely angers his teamates have the ability to report those angry teamates? if it is unintentional then i 100% agree with you however it wasn;t. Did you purposely cut out the part where i recognise that insults are wrong? because its right before this part.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}I understand this, however why should someone who purposely angers his teamates have the ability to report those angry teamates?

Everyone should have the right to report toxic behavior, yes: otherwise you get this awkward situation where the system has to be able to identify behavior in real time to see if the person reporting it is "okay" to report things, and that's a strict downgrade from the current "look for problematic behavior" situation. It also creates situations where someone minorly provokes an individual who responds with hate speech and death threats and encouragements to self-harm, but can't be reported by the individual who is the target of that -- which seems wrong to me, given the severity of that behavior.

Provocational behavior IS toxic though, so report it if you see it.

Did you purposely cut out the part where i recognise that insults are wrong? because its right before this part.

I didn't address it because you acknowledged it. Basically, my comment is "if you know it's wrong, find another outlet for those emotions."

PDTMR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7RwiLBLO,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T12:43:20.337+0000)

Everyone should have the right to report toxic behavior, yes: otherwise you get this awkward situation where the system has to be able to identify behavior in real time to see if the person reporting it is "okay" to report things, and that's a strict downgrade from the current "look for problematic behavior" situation.

or you could simply make it that 2 people have to report someone to validate that it is not random or it is "okay".

ModThe Djinn4 votes

{quoted}

or you could simply make it that 2 people have to report someone to validate that it is not random or it is "okay".

You can't, really, because that lets toxicity slide. It could be a 4-man queue. Some players could leave the game quickly to get to the new one, etc. It also makes for situations where players seeing behavior keeping bringing up "report X" in chat, which isn't fun and doesn't lead to a good experience.

Additionally, Riot does NOT consider "I was provoked" to be a good excuse for violating the community behavioral expectations, and all this suggestion does is make it so "but this guy was REALLY mean" becomes a valid excuse for toxicity if your whole team decides to shit on someone. That's not something that's going to occur.

Worse, if one player is doing poorly, this means the ENTIRE TEAM can trash them endlessly and that player can't do anything short of begging the enemy team for reports.

PDTMR1 votes

It is highly unlikely that people will only play in a 4 man queue, so when they are not in this 4 man queue they will be reported.

for the whole team to trash one player the whole team has to be toxic also highly unlikely.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

{quoted}

It is highly unlikely that people will only play in a 4 man queue, so when they are not in this 4 man queue they will be reported.

for the whole team to trash one player the whole team has to be toxic also highly unlikely.

4 man queues aren't that uncommon, and enabling toxicity in those circumstances is 100% not something I'm comfortable with.

The latter case isn't that common NOW, because one report has value. If one report doesn't, I'd expect to see that spike upwards.

In short, I'm not okay with any suggestions that actually results in an increase in toxic behavior that goes unpunished, and this does that while also saying there are circumstances where that behavior is okay.

SparklingLama1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7RwiLBLO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-03T12:22:49.618+0000)

Get angry? Sure, I guess. But anger doesn't directly relate to a need to express that anger in in-game chat, or the need to express it in in-game chat via insulting or blaming a teammate.

By all means be angry, if that's how you prefer to handle that sort of situation. Just keep the negativity, insults, and/or blame-placing that might accompany that angry out of chat.

See Djinn this is a toxic chat. Not the other posts you commented ignorantly on.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}See Djinn this is a toxic chat. Not the other posts you commented ignorantly on.

I typically comment with a knowledge of what the system views as toxic, not ignorance. My personal opinion of chat logs is largely unimportant compared to how the system judges them. You may disagree, and that's fine, but calling it ignorance simply because you disagree with how the existing system judges things seems like misplaced frustration with me personally.

SparklingLama1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7RwiLBLO,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-03T16:49:45.294+0000)

I typically comment with a knowledge of what the system views as toxic, not ignorance. My personal opinion of chat logs is largely unimportant compared to how the system judges them. You may disagree, and that's fine, but calling it ignorance simply because you disagree with how the existing system judges things seems like misplaced frustration with me personally.

Not misplaced frustration, just the fact you support this system and its obvious flaws and calling out toxic chat that isn't toxic. Not this post because this is obviously toxic but other posts that aren't even relatively close to being toxic.

RagingDerpness1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7RwiLBLO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-03T12:22:49.618+0000)

Get angry? Sure, I guess. But anger doesn't directly relate to a need to express that anger in in-game chat, or the need to express it in in-game chat via insulting or blaming a teammate.

By all means be angry, if that's how you prefer to handle that sort of situation. Just keep the negativity, insults, and/or blame-placing that might accompany that angry out of chat.

WHy doesn't this have more Upvotes?

Xaintrix3 votes

If two people are flaming each other back and forth constantly like the above I'll report both. Sure, I don't want the instigator to be playing the game and I'd rather not play again with someone who gets so tilted they burn their energy flooding chat with retaliatory garbage (as bad and sometimes worse) instead of muting and focusing on getting the win.

So it may not even be the flamer that may have sent the report, and very likely not some 4 man premade "out to get you". Could easily be that quiet teammate that just wants people to play the game.

Sir Prepuzius2 votes

so, i guess you got banned? i certainly hope so, you couldn't possibly be more toxic than that even if you were trying

PDTMR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Prepuzius,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7RwiLBLO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-03T12:28:57.114+0000)

so, i guess you got banned? i certainly hope so, you couldn't possibly be more toxic than that even if you were trying

I could int then blame my teamates.

Arisha the Dark1 votes

Did you call someone homophobic slur as the very first line in your game number 1? Because chat logs don't censorship words and this boards only censorship hardcore cursing, like racial or homophobic slur.

If yes, there is nothing to discuss, you got banned justly.

PDTMR1 votes

no i didn't i used the c word, which i'm now learning is much worse than in my home country

Arisha the Dark1 votes

{quoted}

no i didn't i used the c word, which i'm now learning is much worse than in my home country

I didn't mean that. C word you are referring to has no homophobic undertones as far as I know. I meant another word for gay, the one that starts with f.

I mean there is a reason that word got censored. It must be something nasty.

PDTMR1 votes

the word censored is c u n t, %%%%, the c word. not a homophbic or racial slur

stone the blacks1 votes

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2776092465/220583240?tab=overview not a single person flamed him

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