I'm a toxic player wanting to speak to players and some Riot employees/Admins

kaguya Uchiha··4 votes·1,145 views

So I aren't going to lie I am a toxic player just been banned straight out for two weeks for my toxicity which i didn't think was possible seeming as I'm certain I've never been banned on this account before, however I was wondering if anyone has tips and tricks to keeping me from being toxic i don't want to lose another account to my toxicity, plus any ways of disabling in game chat or a mod of sorts to make impossible for me to type in game.

I also want to speak to some admins just for referencing sake and just have few questions in general I wouldn't mind speaking to a couple that talked to me when i got perma'd as they were extremely nice but I know that is a far out request, however I wouldn't also mind getting info on people blackmailing as well? seen as i did just get banned for toxicity however i did say after i was joking but i guess it doesn't matter, however this guy wanted me to buy him RP so i didn't get banned so just thinking out loud here and blackmailing included in report systems? , also i wouldn't mind sharing my opinion on some of the new stuff on the blue essence system, as i have some issues with it, I would also like to ask for some other systems to be implemented and seen as i can put only one Discussion in I have put player behavior as its the main one i want to talk about.

tyranterror - perma banned soon to be perma'd by the sounds of it SixStacksOnly RIP-2500 hours lmao

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ModThe Djinn3 votes

Hey SixStacksOnly

You can definitely skip right to a 14-day ban if your behavior is problematic enough; hate speech and encouragements to self-harm, specifically, tend to cause this. Good choice to come here first though, as with luck we can prevent it from happening again.

I'd do the following, in order of how much it helps improve your long-term enjoyment of League.

  • Realize that you will only win about 50% of your games, roughly, and that sometimes it will be a situation out of your direct control. Accept it.
  • Set a personal goal in each game other than winning, and strive to have fun trying to reach it even if you lose. Make sure it's one that doesn't depend on teammates ("Win my lane" doesn't count if you'll chastise the jungler, but "get 501 bonus damage on Nasus by 20 minutes" does). This will help you focus less on winning the game and less on your teammate's performance, and more on just trying to have the best game YOU can have, regardless of the circumstances.
  • Set a goal of being a positive, supportive team leader, even if you win or lose. That means not complaining about people or their choices, but rather using positive reinforcement to help bring the team together. Even criticisms should take that into account: "Hey Lee -- I know you saw a good pick there, but maybe don't go quite so deep. It's a little too risky, and we almost cleaned up that fight anyway: if we have you alive next time we definitely will."
  • Review before hitting enter. If it looks like anything that could be taken the wrong way, don't send it. Remain neutral ("Dragon in 0:45", for example) or positive with all your communication, and bear in mind that some neutral comments like "You're 0/7" and "You keep dying" aren't helpful. There are better ways to say those things ("He's a bit too far ahead for you to be able to fight right now" or "You're going deep enough that we can't follow you in. Let's try letting Sejuani lead", for example).
  • Mute early and often if people are frustrating you. Don't engage with them. Just mute and continue to follow the above recommendations.

I know there are some programs that can disable your enter key, but I see that as a short-term solution that is easily undone, and one that can encourage trolling in other ways to express your displeasure. I'd recommend the above plan instead.


If people are blackmailing you in-game, you can report them or file a ticket with Player Support.

Also i wouldn't mind sharing my opinion on some of the new stuff on the blue essence system, as i have some issues with it, I would also like to ask for some other systems to be implemented and seen as i can put only one Discussion in I have put player behavior as its the main one i want to talk about.

The best place for sharing those ideas is to type them up and post them to Gameplay, General Discussion, or Concepts & Creations (depending on the system). You're definitely not limited to one discussion at a time.

Bijeesny2 votes
  • Realize that you will only win about 50% of your games, roughly, and that sometimes it will be a situation out of your direct control. Accept it.

So at worst, half of your losing games (25%) will be out of players control....how can a player have fun knowing that a quarter of his games will be straight up unenjoyable for them because of some circumstances which they can't control?

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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So at worst, half of your losing games (25%) will be out of players control....how can a player have fun knowing that a quarter of his games will be straight up unenjoyable for them because of some circumstances which they can't control?

This sort of thing is true of pretty much any team game. A quarterback can have his absolute best game ever, but if the guys catching keep tripping over their feet, he's not going to win.

A lot of people DO manage to have fun in out of control games. My ranked game the other day had a top laner who kept DCing, and a Katarina who scaled hard off of bot and top, and we had effectively lost by 15 minutes. But we grouped up and cheered on every Blitzcrank pull, every Sivir kill, tried for objectives, and left the lobby cheerful and friendly despite the loss.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

another one is football, if a player gets a red card your teams a man down you aren't going to win a 10v11 as easily, that's why trying to win a4v5 with an afk is hard (and when you have a friend who still hasn't been banned for the amounts of games he leaves every week is stupidly annoying item 3070 )

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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another one is football, if a player gets a red card your teams a man down you aren't going to win a 10v11 as easily, that's why trying to win a4v5 with an afk is hard (and when you have a friend who still hasn't been banned for the amounts of games he leaves every week is stupidly annoying item 3070 )

I'm not sure what this has to do with my point, frankly. Sure, being down a guy is rough, but that has nothing to do with finding ways to have fun in losing games, which is my point -- sometimes games are out of your control, and the trick is just to find ways to make those games enjoyable despite that. You can definitely fine ways to enjoy a 4v5 and have a fun experience, but yeah -- you're probably going to lose. It happens sometimes.

Bijeesny3 votes

but the thing is those 25% of lost games are creating this circle

Lost game which was out of your control --> frustration --> toxicity --> possible ban

Sorry but I can't make rainbows and unicorn dust to burst out of my ass after series of lost games due to trolls (which are often the cause of those 25% lost games) and most of people i usually play with can't which is why we should have as much control over the game as possible

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

Champion and person.

If I play Bard support I usually have fun even if I lose because I get the enemy to chase me everywhere. If I play Yorick top, I usually can still fight 1v2 and force opponents out even if team is losing. Zyra, I enjoy split pushing and causing enemies to chase me with Rylais.

Just some examples. It depends on the champ and person.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

another thing to add to this, is depending on your champion and playstyle one kill can be the matter of you being able to do well and you getting destroyed, as a shaco player me getting a kill early compared to me not highly increases my win rate, but learning to paly around things as your champions and playstyles is what takes so many hours

Bijeesny1 votes

Unfortunately I can't find the way to have fun in a inevitable lost game, especially if its because some lowlife decides to troll

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

this is actually a good point however in my games of toxicity I have seen this to be 100% true, however this is not to say its completely out of oyur control, controlling peoples attitude towards there losing lane is something when I have the right head screwed on, I try to do telling them to play safe buy a stopwatch/ buy some defences can all be something you can help but in lower elo's don't expect it lets be honest in lower elo, carry yourself or stay there is the motto for a reason.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

woppai1 votes

more like 40% of total games are completely out of your control (I really want to say 100%) because now more than ever, League has become a team-based game; meaning that you actually can't solo carry unless you go 20/0 on yasuo or similar during laning and proceed to stomp on those monkies. But honestly, how many times do you pop off and how many times are the enemy team actually that much of monkies in higher elo?

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

this is at THE DJINN just as I f'd up the replys :/ oopses

thank you for replying my friend Is it possible to mention through saying the game I got banned for the renekton in that game was the one blackmailing me or do I need definitive proof? if definitive proof is needed would riot checking chat logs be good enough? it is what I am looking for is a short term stoppage tomy flaming, I'm toxic due to anger issues (which sometimes medication is prescribed for) but on a short note just wanted to have a talk with the issues so thank you for the help

On another note the skipping straight to 14 ban for something I did say "kys" then immediately apologised for in my defence seems slightly out of proportion, seeing as on my old account that is perma'd id said worst and only gotten chat bans seems slightly suspicious here, could for example it being same IP as a perma banned account make it go straight to the 2 week ? just out of questioning thank you I might have to come back and look through your message again to add to it

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}thank you for replying my friend Is it possible to mention through saying the game I got banned for the renekton in that game was the one blackmailing me or do I need definitive proof? if definitive proof is needed would riot checking chat logs be good enough?

Riot would have the chat logs, and could investigate the issue themselves. Giving them the date/time of the game would help, likely.

it is what I am looking for is a short term stoppage to my flaming, I'm toxic due to anger issues (which sometimes medication is prescribed for) but on a short note just wanted to have a talk with the issues so thank you for the help

Short term you might want to look into ways to unbind your enter key, yes. Or just move chat to a non-visible location.

On another note the skipping straight to 14 ban for something I did say "kys" then immediately apologised for in my defence seems slightly out of proportion, seeing as on my old account that is perma'd id said worst and only gotten chat bans seems slightly suspicious here, could for example it being same IP as a perma banned account make it go straight to the 2 week ? just out of questioning

Riot does not IP track accounts. What made it jump to a 2-week is that telling another player to kill themselves is one of Riot's strictest zero-tolerance policies, and results in a 14-day ban on the first offense.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7I0g5GBs,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2018-02-16T22:29:03.272+0000)

Riot does not IP track accounts. What made it jump to a 2-week is that telling another player to kill themselves is one of Riot's strictest zero-tolerance policies, and results in a 14-day ban on the first offense.

Dayumn that's fair enough my friend, that's quite funny as that's the first time its happened and I had done it plenty of times before but thank you for the information it will go a long way

and thanks for the information on the other game unfortunately I cant currently get the game time seen as the account is banned :P will this till be able to looked at in 2 weeks?

Enuma Eliš2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7I0g5GBs,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-15T19:23:05.899+0000)

  • Review before hitting enter. If it looks like anything that could be taken the wrong way, don't send it. Remain neutral ("Dragon in 0:45", for example) or positive with all your communication, and bear in mind that some neutral comments like "You're 0/7" and "You keep dying" aren't helpful. There are better ways to say those things ("He's a bit too far ahead for you to be able to fight right now" or "You're going deep enough that we can't follow you in. Let's try letting Sejuani lead", for example).

This point is interesting. While in theory you're right you know all too well in the haste of the game you don't have the time and lucidity to start reviewing everything and to type longer, nicer suggestions.

You will come by as harsh by saying "Baron" or "BARON" if it's mandatory to take it NOW and team is chilling instead, rather than "guys I think we would have a good shot at Baron now, let's go please or it will be too late when they respawn".

I think forums and game are too often operating on two different levels. Everything is nice and easy when you theorize it on the forums, it's not necessarily the same in game. When you are about to waste 40 minutes where you did everything right but team refuses to listen (which is different from just being unskilled), as zen as you may be you won't want to type all those nice little things instead of a more effective, faster, neutral "you're 0/7 don't 1v1 him" or whatever your call is.

Telephone Booth3 votes

Much like there is no magical solution to my addiction to cigarettes, there is no magical solution to stop being toxic. All it takes is willpower. Stop being a little bitch like me, and show some God damn willpower. Just don't type the toxic shit. It's all on you. You have the ability, it's within you and it's your responsibility and choice. So man up, stop your fucking self from having that cig... I mean, from typing that toxic shit, no one is going to stop you for you, and there is no easy fix, other than simply deciding to not type it. It's on you brother. Good luck.

swordofsun2 votes

As someone who's quit cigarettes I do have to say it was more about changing my behavioral patterns than anything else. Those hung on long past the time the physical addiction was gone.

It's still a good analogy though, but it's not about willpower. It's looking at the situations that you normally are toxic in and coming up with new ways of behaving in them. For example: I only smoked outside and it was pretty much the only time I spent outside. My solution was to take my dog for more walks as she really doesn't like cigarette smoke and just hanging out in the backyard with her and reading. Thus changing outside=smoking to outside=spending time with puppy.

A behavioral pattern for toxicity can be something like the other team getting first blood and me harassing the player who died for their "mistakes". I could change this by making a point to tell the person, "No worries, first blood doesn't mean they'll win." It's a small change that will eventually become a new habit. This changes first blood=harassment to first blood=encouragement.

Sorry for blahing all over a reply to you. I think you have a good analogy because toxicity is an addiction in a lot of ways.

Telephone Booth2 votes

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As someone who's quit cigarettes I do have to say it was more about changing my behavioral patterns than anything else. Those hung on long past the time the physical addiction was gone.

It's still a good analogy though, but it's not about willpower. It's looking at the situations that you normally are toxic in and coming up with new ways of behaving in them. For example: I only smoked outside and it was pretty much the only time I spent outside. My solution was to take my dog for more walks as she really doesn't like cigarette smoke and just hanging out in the backyard with her and reading. Thus changing outside=smoking to outside=spending time with puppy.

A behavioral pattern for toxicity can be something like the other team getting first blood and me harassing the player who died for their "mistakes". I could change this by making a point to tell the person, "No worries, first blood doesn't mean they'll win." It's a small change that will eventually become a new habit. This changes first blood=harassment to first blood=encouragement.

Sorry for blahing all over a reply to you. I think you have a good analogy because toxicity is an addiction in a lot of ways.

No I liked it. Good thoughts. I do have that similar problem whereas for me, it's like I love stepping outside, watching some stupid YouTube videos while I have a smoke. I gotta change that behavioral pattern. The YouTube videos is a big part of it, because as I'm preparing to go out, I'm looking forward to what stupidly funny video I'm gonna watch during my smoke. Maybe I need to watch more YouTube when I'm NOT smoking. Idk. I don't have a dog... maybe I should start taking walks though.

But in my mind, in the end, it's all gonna come down to willpower for me. After every league game, I feel like I'm missing something, and that something is a cigarette. It's like something extra to look forward to. An added bonus to the fun I'm already having.

I feel like I've spoiled myself with cigs for the past 12 years and the only way to break it is by willpower. The power of making that choice to skip it enough times, until it becomes easier and easier. Like someone who spoils themselves with too much food and they need a diet. They need willpower to skip the cookies lol. Idk. Quitting is so fucking hard ><

Good on you for quitting though. Quite an accomplishment. You should be proud!

swordofsun3 votes

It's hard to break the associations that develop about when you smoke. A lady I used to work with had to stop having coffee after dinner because it was such an ingrained habit to have a coffee and cigarette after dinner. Her husband had a problem where all the guys at work would stand around talking and smoking so he shrink wrapped a pack of cigarettes so he had something to do with his hands, he could hold the box and play with it while talking. Honestly, this is why people always talk about carrot sticks. They're generally the right size and you can hold them like a cigarette.

Personally my other big one was related to my car. I didn't smoke while driving so I had all these habits about smoking while walking up to a store if I was running errands or while waiting for my car to warm up in the winter. Those were really hard and that's where the willpower to just push through came in. I didn't really have anything I could replace that with. It generally takes 2-3 months to form new habits and it can be exhausting.

Quitting is hard. Quitting is so hard. It's been about a year now that I've been 100% smoke free and I still have bad days where I just want to go buy a pack.

I do have that similar problem whereas for me, it's like I love stepping outside, watching some stupid YouTube videos while I have a smoke. I gotta change that behavioral pattern. The YouTube videos is a big part of it, because as I'm preparing to go out, I'm looking forward to what stupidly funny video I'm gonna watch during my smoke. Maybe I need to watch more YouTube when I'm NOT smoking. Idk.

I would try just watching the video without going outside. Or going outside and watching the video and leaving the cigarettes inside. See if that helps at all. Not all the time at first, maybe 1 out of every 3 times? Just to try?

You can do it! Nicotine breaks down pretty quickly and is out of your body after 3 days, although it can take up to 3 months for your brain chemistry to normalize. It's hard. And I know they say to tell people, but I had way more success when I didn't tell people. That way I didn't feel like a complete failure when I broke down and had one and was able to backslide and regain ground on my own terms. Everyone is different though, so if you think having someone hold you accountable would help get a quit-smoking-buddy. Doesn't have to be someone else trying to quit, just someone you can talk to about it.

...apparently I have a lot to say on this subject. Did not realize that.

I know you can do it! Don't worry if you don't get it the first try. If you keep positive and keep working on it I know you can do it.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

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It's hard to break the associations that develop about when you smoke. A lady I used to work with had to stop having coffee after dinner because it was such an ingrained habit to have a coffee and cigarette after dinner. Her husband had a problem where all the guys at work would stand around talking and smoking so he shrink wrapped a pack of cigarettes so he had something to do with his hands, he could hold the box and play with it while talking. Honestly, this is why people always talk about carrot sticks. They're generally the right size and you can hold them like a cigarette.

Personally my other big one was related to my car. I didn't smoke while driving so I had all these habits about smoking while walking up to a store if I was running errands or while waiting for my car to warm up in the winter. Those were really hard and that's where the willpower to just push through came in. I didn't really have anything I could replace that with. It generally takes 2-3 months to form new habits and it can be exhausting.

Quitting is hard. Quitting is so hard. It's been about a year now that I've been 100% smoke free and I still have bad days where I just want to go buy a pack.

I would try just watching the video without going outside. Or going outside and watching the video and leaving the cigarettes inside. See if that helps at all. Not all the time at first, maybe 1 out of every 3 times? Just to try?

You can do it! Nicotine breaks down pretty quickly and is out of your body after 3 days, although it can take up to 3 months for your brain chemistry to normalize. It's hard. And I know they say to tell people, but I had way more success when I didn't tell people. That way I didn't feel like a complete failure when I broke down and had one and was able to backslide and regain ground on my own terms. Everyone is different though, so if you think having someone hold you accountable would help get a quit-smoking-buddy. Doesn't have to be someone else trying to quit, just someone you can talk to about it.

...apparently I have a lot to say on this subject. Did not realize that.

I know you can do it! Don't worry if you don't get it the first try. If you keep positive and keep working on it I know you can do it.

I think this needs to be on a how to quit smoking ad great advice :D

Telephone Booth1 votes

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It's hard to break the associations that develop about when you smoke. A lady I used to work with had to stop having coffee after dinner because it was such an ingrained habit to have a coffee and cigarette after dinner. Her husband had a problem where all the guys at work would stand around talking and smoking so he shrink wrapped a pack of cigarettes so he had something to do with his hands, he could hold the box and play with it while talking. Honestly, this is why people always talk about carrot sticks. They're generally the right size and you can hold them like a cigarette.

Personally my other big one was related to my car. I didn't smoke while driving so I had all these habits about smoking while walking up to a store if I was running errands or while waiting for my car to warm up in the winter. Those were really hard and that's where the willpower to just push through came in. I didn't really have anything I could replace that with. It generally takes 2-3 months to form new habits and it can be exhausting.

Quitting is hard. Quitting is so hard. It's been about a year now that I've been 100% smoke free and I still have bad days where I just want to go buy a pack.

I would try just watching the video without going outside. Or going outside and watching the video and leaving the cigarettes inside. See if that helps at all. Not all the time at first, maybe 1 out of every 3 times? Just to try?

You can do it! Nicotine breaks down pretty quickly and is out of your body after 3 days, although it can take up to 3 months for your brain chemistry to normalize. It's hard. And I know they say to tell people, but I had way more success when I didn't tell people. That way I didn't feel like a complete failure when I broke down and had one and was able to backslide and regain ground on my own terms. Everyone is different though, so if you think having someone hold you accountable would help get a quit-smoking-buddy. Doesn't have to be someone else trying to quit, just someone you can talk to about it.

...apparently I have a lot to say on this subject. Did not realize that.

I know you can do it! Don't worry if you don't get it the first try. If you keep positive and keep working on it I know you can do it.

Good shit bud. Thanks. I know I can, I just gotta make the damn commitment and stick to it. I've tried quitting 5 or so times with serious effort and never gone more than a week. If I make it through one weekend, it's always that next weekend where I break down, practically out of boredom it seems. Good advice though, I am one of those people who needs to keep it to myself when I quit. I totally understand the let down feeling when you go buy a pack and have to have that "Oh you bought a pack?" Conversation with someone. I hate that. Next time I'm just gonna not tell anyone and try to quit. Also, sorry for derailing this thread OP lol.

Jo0o2 votes

So, you broke the rules (presumably with a zero-tolerance phrase, such as hate speech), then somebody on your team said "I'll report you for saying that unless you buy me RP", you refused, and now you're banned? Am I following that correctly?

I'm actually not sure how Riot would handle that. If you said what you said unprovoked, you're probably still at fault for it, but somebody attempting to strongarm you over it is certainly also something that Riot would be interested in punishing, though they won't share information regarding action against that person with you. If somebody threatened you somehow into breaking the rules, that's another matter, and something you should absolutely open a support ticket over.

As for modifying your game, I've seen this floating around: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ghKQoeu8-how-to-unbind-your-enter-key-to-prevent-inadvertent-toxicity

Ultimately the best solution is to reign in your anger and avoid engaging in arguments or flaming matches in the middle of League games, but do what you gotta do.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

I broke rules by typing kys to someone provoking me ("ez") after getting first blooded, id had a few hard games and responded, the guy proceeded in asking for 9000 RP or ban, which of course I refused this got a few laughs out of me and my mates when I got banned after the game, "should of gave him the RP boys and girls" where my words before this post. ty for the link I will give it a go later, my one thing I wanted was a mod that turned every message I typed into a random non flame message as I love those :D had one for a different game a while back aha great laugh when it turns your paragraph of toxicity into "I love chocolate cake"

Jamaree2 votes

Remove the enter on your keyboard, realize that most people in this game aren’t trolling AND NO, DOING POORLY IS NOT TROLLING, just play it is a game, flaming won’t help you, won’t help your allies, it literally does nothing.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

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Remove the enter on your keyboard, realize that most people in this game aren’t trolling AND NO, DOING POORLY IS NOT TROLLING, just play it is a game, flaming won’t help you, won’t help your allies, it literally does nothing.

this this has ahppend but not via use, maybe a wall was involved :DShaco

Prison Monkey2 votes

Im only toxic because trolls can get away with not listening, not working as a team, inting, and afking. But the minute i say, "ffs stop overextending for the eighth time, youve died 11 times overextending bot lane with no wards". I get punished, but the troll that doesnt care gets nothing.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prison Monkey,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7I0g5GBs,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-02-16T22:12:56.386+0000)

Im only toxic because trolls can get away with not listening, not working as a team, inting, and afking. But the minute i say, "ffs stop overextending for the eighth time, youve died 11 times overextending bot lane with no wards". I get punished, but the troll that doesnt care gets nothing.

yeah levelling my new account currently guy flaming me via pm's gonna get away with it as asim screenshotting it he deletes me as a firend removing all the messages :/ guess you can get away with everything unless they threaten you with ban or pay me then you do get banned XDDD

KoganeRyujin2 votes

Just don't allow yourself to type anything unless you're confident you can say something non-toxic. If that stops you from communicating with your team then so be it. Learn from that feeling of being alone and you'll come to appreciate your teammates more, which will help you be better to them.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

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Just don't allow yourself to type anything unless you're confident you can say something non-toxic. If that stops you from communicating with your team then so be it. Learn from that feeling of being alone and you'll come to appreciate your teammates more, which will help you be better to them.

this is a good rule of thumb and the greatest thing about it is I have been doing this, however I slipped this one time and boom banned straight out for 2 weeks aha

The Cream Reaper1 votes

The ammount of ego in this post is too damn high...

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

Ego is the reason for people to want to get better and the reason people flame my ego is through the roof that's why I flame :P

Zéychin1 votes

Just shut the [redacted] up. If you wouldn't say something out loud while playing a sport to one of your teammates or opponents, don't say it in game.

Ginger9763 votes

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Just shut the [redacted] up. If you wouldn't say something out loud while playing a sport to one of your teammates or opponents, don't say it in game.

Not a good rule. I still play competitive sports to this day and some of things I say on the field would 100% get you banned in league.

kaguya Uchiha1 votes

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Not a good rule. I still play competitive sports to this day and some of things I say on the field would 100% get you banned in league.

this made me laugh I used to play pro sport so dw

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