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DM Compound··2 votes·695 views

This is the copy of the chat for which I got perma banned:

Game 1 DM Compound: Its stupid DM Compound: you are stupid DM Compound: What would be the point? DM Compound: nothing I could do DM Compound: so I just kinda left you to be scrub chumm xD DM Compound: You know, a sacrifice DM Compound: Thresh took kill tho DM Compound: worth I guess DM Compound: Probably DM Compound: AGGG DM Compound: I am oom DM Compound: Zac DM Compound: why are you so useless DM Compound: Jinx is he your premade? DM Compound: ult DM Compound: Thres DM Compound: I am miles better than you DM Compound: Only reason you are winning lane is cos your jungler is not this useless DM Compound: ok boyo DM Compound: Jinx DM Compound: I want to rek them DM Compound: YOU WERE AFK DM Compound: Irony DM Compound: Fukin irony DM Compound: We have useless jungler that did 0 objectives and ganks DM Compound: And jinx that got rekt complaining about me chatting DM Compound: Ez DM Compound: Youll still lose DM Compound: Jinx listen to me DM Compound: I know you didnt mute me DM Compound: cos you are a kid with need for attention DM Compound: one more stupid line like that DM Compound: to enemy team DM Compound: and I am AFK DM Compound: ez DM Compound: ez DM Compound: what? DM Compound: damnit DM Compound: You are bot... DM Compound: Still gonna lose DM Compound: Ez DM Compound: Risky DM Compound: wait me DM Compound: ffs DM Compound: you all sleep? DM Compound: didnt expect that DM Compound: Your mother being so good in oral? DM Compound: Probably older than you DM Compound: 29 DM Compound: and you do same and piss off DM Compound: unfukinbelivable Game 2 DM Compound: I have a feeling you will feed DM Compound: sure you do DM Compound: and I main ur mum DM Compound: Thats only French players DM Compound: rest just feeds DM Compound: ffs Jinx DM Compound: JINX DM Compound: WHY YOU FARM??? DM Compound: oh DM Compound: a bot DM Compound: lovely DM Compound: 1-3 DM Compound: you blind? DM Compound: and Jinx is a bot btw DM Compound: Ok DM Compound: enjoy solo mid DM Compound: bot* DM Compound: Jinx was farming why you ping at me? DM Compound: That low IQ individuas that expect everyone else to do stuff for them DM Compound: then cry on forums for being stuck in bronze DM Compound: thx DM Compound: glad you died DM Compound: reported DM Compound: bots -.- DM Compound: I engaged DM Compound: not Vi or Galio DM Compound: Worthless team DM Compound: top is being pushed by 2 DM Compound: and you fail at bot? DM Compound: I am losing this??? DM Compound: push Trist to waste jump DM Compound: ffs DM Compound: if I dont initiate, game lost DM Compound: Because they have ms boost DM Compound: No I did not DM Compound: are you stupid*? Game 3 DM Compound: Luck? DM Compound: too low DM Compound: this is why I need TP :) DM Compound: Yea DM Compound: I noticed Vayne is a fuknugget DM Compound: you are right DM Compound: that shield DM Compound: CAIT? DM Compound: Can you have more map awearness? DM Compound: You were farming DM Compound: I should cos we can lose dragon DM Compound: why is no one paying attention to map DM Compound: WTF DM Compound: I dunno DM Compound: She grew 3x in size DM Compound: 3 DM Compound: This one was 3rd DM Compound: And? DM Compound: she survived DM Compound: not sure how DM Compound: Annie DM Compound: your laner ganked 3 time DM Compound: OMFG its 3-15 DM Compound: WTF DM Compound: Seju died 5 times DM Compound: SEJU DM Compound: Can you please report this toxic Seju DM Compound: Their jungler DM Compound: Is just miles better DM Compound: than this flaming thurd DM Compound: 420? DM Compound: Seju DM Compound: you are so stupid it hurts me DM Compound: Like, they have 4 in jungle DM Compound: And very fed Kha DM Compound: And she goes in jungle DM Compound: That pig that she rides is smarter than her DM Compound: what Annie? DM Compound: How about you be less french? DM Compound: you feeding turd DM Compound: Just report Seju after game DM Compound: I expected her to do something lol xD DM Compound: I forgot that Kha kill was mostly me DM Compound: Stunned DM Compound: Walled under turret DM Compound: and you Q him once to get the kill DM Compound: Bravo DM Compound: actually it is DM Compound: Ok I am sure Sejuani is intentionally feeding DM Compound: She focsed tank DM Compound: Indeed DM Compound: Actually just ignore allchat DM Compound: Just a bunch of stupid toxic kids that all DM Compound: They get cranky when they are not in bed at 8PM DM Compound: Cait DM Compound: Funny thing is DM Compound: we won botlane DM Compound: FFS DM Compound: Well when mid is useless DM Compound: and Jungler is useless DM Compound: and ahri and kha camp our lane DM Compound: its a shame right DM Compound: Ignoring the turds doesnt remove the smells

Now, I do understand I was "a bit" inflammatory, but is this the level of toxicity that warrants permaban? Particularly when you get in games with even more toxic players, its in nature of some of us to reply to provocations.

The most annoying this is, some of these games were with my premade friends, and a lot of "toxic" remarks are just friendly banter towards them (that mom oral part, and french hazing).

37 Comments

Jo0o6 votes

When you get your 14-day ban, you're warned that further misbehavior on your part will result in a permanent ban. The behavior you get banned for at that point doesn't necessarily need to "warrant a permaban", so much as simply warrant any punishment at all. Based on your match history, it looks like your two-week ban ended only a few days ago, and you're clearly insulting all your teammates constantly. So yeah, makes sense to me. Sorry.

DM Compound1 votes

Fair enough, but... it kinda feels too... "pussy" to be this easily banned (and I have certainly saw a lot more toxic players in my games). FFS Club Penguin has more lose ban etiquette.

Timethief491 votes

Its not high concentration toxicity but concistant.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T18:49:14.829+0000)

Fair enough, but... it kinda feels too... "pussy" to be this easily banned (and I have certainly saw a lot more toxic players in my games). FFS Club Penguin has more lose ban etiquette.

You're allowed your personal thoughts on that subject, definitely. That doesn't really have an effect on the community's opinion (as the system is based on what they report) or on Riot's decision though -- I can totally feel it's perfectly acceptable to shout hate speech in a movie theater (as an example), but if I do that I'm 100% getting kicked out, whether I think that's ridiculous or not.

Additionally, the fact that there are more toxic players doesn't excuse your behavior as far as the rules are concerned -- the system will catch them as well, but each player is judged separately on his or her own behavior.

DM Compound1 votes

First point is a bit... there is a huge difference between internet and reality, movie theater and this game... I get your point but in theater you will not get kicked if you told the hate speech shouting tw*t to stfu.

Agreed with 2nd paragraph, but... The problem is it becomes like prison system. Rito sees I am a bit toxic (and I am, not denying that), and then it puts me in games with even more inflammatory individuals and expect me to not be toxic towards them? Its not a very good solution really.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:00:43.442+0000)

First point is a bit... there is a huge difference between internet and reality, movie theater and this game... I get your point but in theater you will not get kicked if you told the hate speech shouting tw*t to stfu.

There isn't really. Both are places where people go for entertainment. The fact that you think you have to be less well-behaved simply because the venue is virtual is, I suspect, part of why you find yourself in this situation.

And no -- but Riot also gives you some leeway. You can say "shut the fuck up, please" every now and then just fine. You also have a mute button, which you don't have in the real world. What you were doing, however, was not that -- it was attacking back.

DM Compound: cos you are a kid with need for attention DM Compound: Your mother being so good in oral? DM Compound: and I main ur mum DM Compound: That low IQ individuas that expect everyone else to do stuff for them DM Compound: Worthless team DM Compound: I noticed Vayne is a fuknugget etc.

Agreed with 2nd paragraph, but... The problem is it becomes like prison system. Rito sees I am a bit toxic (and I am, not denying that), and then it puts me in games with even more inflammatory individuals and expect me to not be toxic towards them? Its not a very good solution really.

They put you in games with everyone. There is no toxic-to-toxic matching system, and there is no "only put toxic players with well behaved players" system. It is not their job to take extra steps with you simply because you are having trouble following the behavioral guidelines.

DM Compound1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:04:47.906+0000) They put you in games with everyone. There is no toxic-to-toxic matching system, and there is no "only put toxic players with well behaved players" system.

If this is true, and I was experiencing the average player toxicity, things are far worse than I realized xD

But surely big heads at Rito can find a better way to control this, like toxicity categorization, and putting the same types in games (for instance I do shittalk, but I never AFK, feed intentionally or similar). And I dont mind shittalkers myself. Otherwise its as successful as drug war.

Tho I know why they are not going to implement this, because this game is one soccer mom complaining about death threats to her failed abortion away of being labeled PG18. And I presume young children are biggest source of revenue for Rito.

Which is sad, cos I used to buy skins on my old account but when I see how easy is to "lose your investment" I am just not feeling comfortable to spend real money.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:20:31.216+0000)If this is true, and I was experiencing the average player toxicity, things are far worse than I realized xD

It's not that it's average player toxicity -- it's that some players are just super toxic. We all encounter them from time to time, and negative interactions tend to stick out more than positive ones.

But surely big heads at Rito can find a better way to control this, like toxicity categorization, and putting the same types in games (for instance I do shittalk, but I never AFK, feed intentionally or similar).

This is specifically not done. Riot has commented several times on why they don't want this sort of "prisoner's island." The long and short of it is they don't want players to be toxic (i.e. not even when playing against only other toxic players), and putting toxic players together reduces the chances of any of them actually reforming.

Which is sad, cos I used to buy skins on my old account but when I see how easy is to "lose your investment" I am just not feeling comfortable to spend real money.

When you have to escalate through several tiers of punishment, it's not really that easy. But if it's easier for you to not play League than it is to change the way you choose to engage with other players, I wish you luck in your other gaming endeavors. The behavioral rules of League aren't for everyone.

DM Compound1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:24:09.980+0000)

It's not that it's average player toxicity -- it's that some players are just super toxic. We all encounter them from time to time, and negative interactions tend to stick out more than positive ones.

Well there is a lot of super toxic ones then. By my estimation at least 1 in 5 players.

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:24:09.980+0000)

This is specifically not done. Riot has commented several times on why they don't want this sort of "prisoner's island." The long and short of it is they don't want players to be toxic (i.e. not even when playing against only other toxic players), and putting toxic players together reduces the chances of any of them actually reforming.

I dont think this is true cos its just bad business for them. Its not Ritos job to "detoxify us", a lot of us do tend to be more aggressive than "exemplary" players. Way I see the business transaction of this whole spiel, Rito gives us fun and we give them money by purchasing skins. And in a strange way, I think a lot of us find shit talking fun. So it would be a valid transaction for Rito. And the reason they will not indulge in realization of this idea is because they do not want to lose PG-Teen rating. And they are not wrong for not indulging it this, cos corporate entities love two things: Profits, and backstabs :)

ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:35:39.114+0000)Well there is a lot of super toxic ones then. By my estimation at least 1 in 5 players.

I believe about 1 in 5 players receive a chat restriction of some kind during their League career, if I remember the numbers correctly. Most of them only receive 1. You are likely, however, to encounter more toxic players due to the behavior you've shown -- players with a history of behavioral punishment tend to have a worse view of the community, because toxic behavior breeds and provokes more toxic retaliation. I, for example, would say I run into less than one really toxic player every 2-3 games, but I also go far out of my way to create a friendly environment whenever possible.

I dont think this is true cos its just bad business for them. Its not Ritos job to "detoxify us", a lot of us do tend to be more aggressive than "exemplary" players. Way I see the business transaction of this whole spiel, Rito gives us fun and we give them money by purchasing skins. And in a strange way, I think a lot of us find shit talking fun. So it would be a valid transaction for Rito. And the reason they will not indulge in realization of this idea is because they do not want to lose PG-Teen rating. And they are not wrong for not indulging it this, cos corporate entities love two things: Profits, and backstabs :)

Riot has intentionally said, on several occasions, not only that they are inherently opposed to the Prisoner's Island concept but that they are aware that banning toxic players is a potential revenue loss AND ARE OKAY WITH THAT. They're intentionally taking a small hit to make the community better for everyone else. It's not even about the rating -- hell, I'm 29, and I'd always prefer a game without someone calling me trash to one with someone calling me trash.

If you want to shit-talk and insult other players, find another game to do so in.

DM Compound1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:40:58.249+0000)

If you want to shit-talk and insult other players, find another game to do so in.

But MOBAs are the best for this, particularly for us antisocial, slightly sociopathic people that hate group projects (which this game actually is). I only play few games and I never have need to trash talk in them because if I fail its all cos of me. But in this game there are a huge swings in difficulties, some games I will lose even tho I am playing my best cos one of teammates is a bot or... other; while most of games I win I didnt even have to try, cos the individua of same aforementioned type is in enemy team. This is what solicits so much toxicity in this game unfortunately.

But, I did kept my composure as much as I could after last time ban, and I tried to be as least possibly toxic. But I think I will always rack up a lot of reports simply cos of the fact I play Anivia support with TP.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:48:37.992+0000)But MOBAs are the best for this, particularly for us antisocial, slightly sociopathic people that hate group projects (which this game actually is).

Then find one that isn't League, because the behavioral rules are not going to be changing. Or seek ways of finding enjoyment from the game that aren't based on winning. You will have bad teammates, you will lose games, and sometimes it will not be something you can control. If that bothers you to the point of insulting other players, you will continue to face punishments.

But, I did kept my composure as much as I could after last time ban, and I tried to be as least possibly toxic. But I think I will always rack up a lot of reports simply cos of the fact I play Anivia support with TP.

Reports mean nothing unless problematic behavior is found. Earlier in this thread I showed you the problematic behavior. If this is you at your least toxic, more bans are in your future if you continue to play on a new account.

Jo0o1 votes

You're not wrong, but the issue is that team cohesion is delicate as all fuck in this game. Insulting teammates can incite trolling, inting, distraction, etc., and it simply has no real benefit. Personally, there's nothing more demoralizing to me than one of my teammates picking a fight with another in chat and having them focus on flaming each other rather than trying to win the game.

DM Compound1 votes

"and it simply has no real benefit" is a bit of a lie Rito skullfuked into us to ineffectively control toxicity (god bless them for trying)

In reality, most of us play games to have fun. While I can have a good game even if I lose (and it happened a lot of times), winning usually is more "fun" than loosing. Now, when you see a game that is going downhill, a huge release of pent up stress is - flame and toxicity. But even if you not incite it, you can bet your ass one out of five people will. And if you are already a bit tilted, its like a nice pile of old socks doused in gasoline, and someone is going to throw a spark.

You know what I found is the most inciting toxic thing I do? I play Anivia support. You cannot even realize how much of a flame you can get for that, regardless of your performance. Sure I can ignore it up to a point, but it breaks you eventually, especially in those games where everyone fails and they are just too much trigger-happy to find a blame target (yes, Anivia support, even if only one with positive score, is still a good target for this).

ModPrandine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:13:11.761+0000)

"and it simply has no real benefit" is a bit of a lie Rito skullfuked into us to ineffectively control toxicity (god bless them for trying)

In reality, most of us play games to have fun. While I can have a good game even if I lose (and it happened a lot of times), winning usually is more "fun" than loosing. Now, when you see a game that is going downhill, a huge release of pent up stress is - flame and toxicity. But even if you not incite it, you can bet your ass one out of five people will. And if you are already a bit tilted, its like a nice pile of old socks doused in gasoline, and someone is going to throw a spark.

You know what I found is the most inciting toxic thing I do? I play Anivia support. You cannot even realize how much of a flame you can get for that, regardless of your performance. Sure I can ignore it up to a point, but it breaks you eventually, especially in those games where everyone fails and they are just too much trigger-happy to find a blame target (yes, Anivia support, even if only one with positive score, is still a good target for this).

I won't lie and say I've never gotten frustrated at teammates before as I have. However, I just yell and rage at the screen instead of in the chat, as this way I can release my anger and frustration while not compromising the rest of the team with pointless chat flaming. I would suggest trying that the next time you feel the need to yell and rage at a teammate in-game.

P.S. If you're encountering a toxic player every game then chances are that toxic player is you since you are the only one present in every single one of the games you play.

DM Compound1 votes

Mate, I have a neighbor that complains about noise if he hears me fart xD

few days ago I had a talk about "female screaming noises" he heard the other day. And it wasn't me. Its probably awesome to have a luxury to yell like a maniac, and I would definitely like to do so, but fckit I live in apartment near to some serious soyboys -.-

ModPrandine

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:26:04.535+0000)

Mate, I have a neighbor that complains about noise if he hears me fart xD

few days ago I had a talk about "female screaming noises" he heard the other day. And it wasn't me. Its probably awesome to have a luxury to yell like a maniac, and I would definitely like to do so, but fckit I live in apartment near to some serious soyboys -.-

I understand that yelling and raging at the screen may not be an option for everyone. If you can't do that then try punching a pillow or squeezing hard on a stress ball or something like that: basically anything that doesn't involve using the chat to yell at and insult people.

DM Compound1 votes

{quoted}

I understand that yelling and raging at the screen may not be an option for everyone. If you can't do that then try punching a pillow or squeezing hard on a stress ball or something like that: basically anything that doesn't involve using the chat to yell at and insult people.

FFS this thread is turning into a self help forum xD The problem is, I am not mad at the pillow - it is good, soft and gives me rest for my head. I am angry at a tw*t on top that went 1-12 and blamed support Anivia for losing game.

ModPrandine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00000000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:39:00.469+0000)

FFS this thread is turning into a self help forum xD The problem is, I am not mad at the pillow - it is good, soft and gives me rest for my head. I am angry at a tw*t on top that went 1-12 and blamed support Anivia for losing game.

I get that but answer me this: What good or difference does it make to start yelling and raging at that poor performing/behaving player? The vast majority of the time the answer is nothing for a few reasons:

  1. If they're performing poorly on accident then chances are they already know that. Yelling and raging at them will most likely just worsen their performance than improve it. If you try some positive reinforcement and it works then chances are they'll be more motivated to start playing better.
  2. If it's on purpose then you've just given them the negative reaction they wanted out of you. By not giving them that reaction there's a good chance they'll stop behaving that way and focus on actually playing the game.

The point of hitting a pillow is to help relieve stress, and it's a much faster (and arguably efficient) way then spending time thinking up insults to type out. Ultimately it's your choice how you want to relieve your stress, all I'm trying to do is suggest options that don't involve compromising team syngery/performance.

DM Compound1 votes

{quoted} I get that but answer me this: What good or difference does it make to start yelling and raging at that poor performing/behaving player?

You are now getting philosophical. Its easy to answer - it gives you a quick release of stress.

In my view, League is entertainment. We play it for fun. And fun is to reduce the negative feeling as much as you can. And sometimes, unfortunately, flaming a team mate that is "high off his tits" that keeps feeding enemy is exactly what you need to relieve that pent up stress.

I do understand that Rito has a negative view on this behavior. I do not agree with their punishment method, but... its their game, not mine, and they are free to make their own rules. I just think this last punishment was a bit harsh. Previous ones were on the spot, and I was a toxic piece of... but this time I actually tried and got same result. Oh well xD

Azure Hamster3 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T18:49:14.829+0000)

Fair enough, but... it kinda feels too... "pussy" to be this easily banned (and I have certainly saw a lot more toxic players in my games). FFS Club Penguin has more lose ban etiquette.

I've been playing ranked since season 4. I have not even had a chat restriction. It's not that I never get annoyed at my team; I do. I just don't lay into them for it. It's very easy never to get punished. It's even easier to know what not to do when you get a 14-day ban and you're told exactly why.

Caitlyn

DM Compound1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azure Hamster,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:26:43.304+0000)

I've been playing ranked since season 4. I have not even had a chat restriction. It's not that I never get annoyed at my team; I do. I just don't lay into them for it. It's very easy never to get punished. It's even easier to know what not to do when you get a 14-day ban and you're told exactly why.

Caitlyn

You know, I have a gut feeling that people on forums are usually less toxic since they take the game more seriously (well, enough to participate on forums, which is more than most of players). So in contrast I will be the toxic pinnacle here, no doubt.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=0000000000030000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:40:14.886+0000)So in contrast I will be the toxic pinnacle here, no doubt.

Nah. Not at all. You haven't come close to some of the stuff we get here, and you seem reasonable. We're actually having a conversation here, even if we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, and you haven't come close to violating the board rules. That means you're far from the bottom. :)

DM Compound1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00000000000300000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:42:27.300+0000)

Nah. Not at all. You haven't come close to some of the stuff we get here, and you seem reasonable. We're actually having a conversation here, even if we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, and you haven't come close to violating the board rules. That means you're far from the bottom. :)

I was saying I was bottom of the barrel of toxicity in game compared to other people in this post. Its easy to be a decent human being in discussion, and we can be civilized even tho we have opposing views on subject.

BUT... if you were in my team, top, with 0-7 score saying we lost cos I picked Anivia support, you would have another thing coming xD

ModThe Djinn5 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=000000000003000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:52:59.768+0000)BUT... if you were in my team, top, with 0-7 score saying we lost cos I picked Anivia support, you would have another thing coming xD

And that is why, bothers and sisters, we are gathered here today. :(

Seriously -- you seem like a decent guy who gets frustrated/angry easily. Just mute the guy and keep playing. Don't attack back.

DM Compound1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=0000000000030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:54:45.118+0000)

And that is why, bothers and sisters, we are gathered here today. :(

Seriously -- you seem like a decent guy who gets frustrated/angry easily. Just mute the guy and keep playing. Don't attack back.

Thank you for that compliment, and advice's. We both know I can try to do your "just mute and play" but reality is a fickle thing, and so is my temper unfortunately. I tried, it didn't provide results. I kinda hate that I am playing this game, its like alcoholism - I do not enjoy it that much yet from time to time I install it and lose my faith in humanity xD

Once again, thanks for replies and insightful rhetoric.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

Now, I do understand I was "a bit" inflammatory, but is this the level of toxicity that warrants permaban?

There is a common misconception that permanent bans are reserved only for especially insulting toxicity.

They can be earned by all toxicity, if it is frequent and consistent enough. Especially bad toxicity just takes less time to earn punishments, and can make you skip escalation tiers.

Let's dig into the chat:

DM Compound: so I just kinda left you to be scrub chumm xD DM Compound: why are you so useless DM Compound: I am miles better than you DM Compound: We have useless jungler that did 0 objectives and ganks DM Compound: cos you are a kid with need for attention DM Compound: one more stupid line like that DM Compound: and I am AFK DM Compound: ez DM Compound: ez DM Compound: Ez DM Compound: Risky DM Compound: Your mother being so good in oral? DM Compound: and I main ur mum DM Compound: you blind? DM Compound: That low IQ individuas that expect everyone else to do stuff for them DM Compound: then cry on forums for being stuck in bronze DM Compound: glad you died DM Compound: Worthless team DM Compound: are you stupid*? DM Compound: I noticed Vayne is a fuknugget DM Compound: than this flaming thurd DM Compound: you are so stupid it hurts me DM Compound: That pig that she rides is smarter than her DM Compound: How about you be less french? DM Compound: you feeding turd DM Compound: Just a bunch of stupid toxic kids that all DM Compound: They get cranky when they are not in bed at 8PM DM Compound: Well when mid is useless DM Compound: and Jungler is useless DM Compound: Ignoring the turds doesnt remove the smells

Yeah, this sort of behavior (insults, crass comments, belittling your team, "ez", threats to AFK) will absolutely get you punished, and with the frequency that it occurs it seems this could be a common enough behavior (and a high enough percentage of your chat in these games) that this is a proper punishment. The reason it is a permanent ban is, likely, that you have previously received a 14-day ban as your last warning. Is this correct?

DM Compound1 votes

The "ez" reply was towards enemy team that started with it first. I know its a school playground type of defense "well he started it first", but its still something I have difficulties not reacting to (and I personally hate the "Ez" crap).

And you are right, I did get time bans previously, and it was earned. This time I did my best not to be toxic (at least as much as I could manage). And I (and probably a lot of other toxic players) hate this crap where chat log has only mine lines, making me look as bad as it possibly can. Cause and effect is a thing...

ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-05T18:55:21.960+0000)I know its a school playground type of defense "well he started it first", but its still something I have difficulties not reacting to.

Unfortunately -- and I know this sounds blunt -- that isn't Riot's fault or their responsibility. If shouting in a movie theater is not allowed and someone starts shouting at me, I'm still getting kicked out if I can't restrain myself enough to stop. If someone throws food at me and I throw food back, we're still both getting detention. The only time this "he started it" stuff really works as a defense is when you have to actually, physically defend yourself from an actual threat. At that point, sure -- fight back. In that situation it actually can save you, whereas here it just makes TWO people who are being problems.

And I (and probably a lot of other toxic players) hate this crap where chat log has only mine lines, making me look as bad as it possibly can. Cause and effect is a thing...

Cause and effect is a thing, but your own responses are still 100% under your control. You may get annoyed (we all do), but when you choose to take the conscious effort to express that annoyance by taunting or insulting other players, you have cross a line that no other player can force you to cross. At that point it is entirely your own responsibility.

The old Tribunal used to show all the context, and the reason the new system does not is because Riot found that punishments were consistent regardless of whether or not someone had been provoked. The community simply doesn't want toxicity, regardless of the supposed reasoning behind it.

ModPrandine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-05T18:55:21.960+0000)

The "ez" reply was towards enemy team that started with it first. I know its a school playground type of defense "well he started it first", but its still something I have difficulties not reacting to (and I personally hate the "Ez" crap).

And you are right, I did get time bans previously, and it was earned. This time I did my best not to be toxic (at least as much as I could manage). And I (and probably a lot of other toxic players) hate this crap where chat log has only mine lines, making me look as bad as it possibly can. Cause and effect is a thing...

The reason only your chat is shown because only you are being judged in your case, and even if everyones chat was shown the vast majority of the time it wouldn't make a lick of difference in the case. Other people behaving poorly will not magically get you a get out of jail free card, and unfortunately the behavior shown in your Reform Card here definitely warrants a punishment, which in this case is a permaban since you already had a 2-week ban not long ago.

If you decide to play on another account then take this as a learning experience to just mute, report and move on whenever verbal abusers pop up. It's not worth losing your account over just to win an argument with those kinds of people, nor is that what the in-game chat was designed to be used for either.

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DM Compound1 votes

These chat logs are the worst examples of my behavior since my previous ban was lifted. Now I dont see them that inflammatory, and in those games I was with players that were significantly worse (tho not as bad as I have seen previously).

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:03:12.265+0000)Now I dont see them that inflammatory...

They're fairly inflammatory, frankly. Not close to the worst I've seen, but definitely not in the bottom 40% either.

DM Compound1 votes

They are, but this is the worst I've been since last ban was lifted. I also find your choice of number odd (40%). :)

ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-05T19:22:45.144+0000)

They are, but this is the worst I've been since last ban was lifted.

And likely why this was what triggered the punishment.

I also find your choice of number odd (40%). :)

I picked a nice number that's close to accurate while giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not in the "above 50%" range. I don't have a specific list of all logs I've ever seen, but if I immediately recognize a good portion of it as toxic than it has to be above the decent percentage where I have to look for a moment or two to find the problem.

Colgate Gator2 votes

[{quoted}](name=DM Compound,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7EjZUPUE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-05T18:42:53.174+0000)

Now, I do understand I was "a bit" inflammatory, but is this the level of toxicity that warrants permaban?

Gotta love it when OP knows he's toxic, but tries to downplay it.

This seems like an accomulated punishments scenario, so, yeah.

PeachyPosterior1 votes

Plain and simple, you are a toxic player. Someone reported you and you got banned.

If this got you a permaban I can bet this wasn't your first offence and you've already had some chat bans on that account. Should have been warning enough that you need to smarten up or this was going to happen.

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