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Where is the justice?

TheWhoPhD··2 votes·593 views

So to start off. I just got a 14 day ban. I am basically bronze, not officially, but basically, nowhere near "good" at this game. I am angry, I am salty, I am disheartened. I am angry at getting a 4-man report + however many of the enemy team decided I don't know whats going on, but ill report for yuckers while I have a Sivir 1v2Ezreal Brand bot lane because my support Malphite dc's for almost 15 minutes. I play smart, I don't die and keep all the farm i can. Then to top it off the support reconnects, then my team starts to get even more bold. Our teams engages past our vision placement aren't working (our support never builds a item 2049 ). They blame me because there is a lane that's pushing into our tower, and being low on farm because of the 1v2 I need all of the gold I can get.

They repeat this process over and over, overextending past a safe distance. The enemy team deleting anyone who tries to run, yet my team still blames me. I'm getting flamed from 4 people because this WHOLE game is my fault. I defend myself, I even BEG them to stop engaging or walking past our vision into the unknown into a particularly cheesy enemy team. Yet I still get blamed for the failings of our team to play safe.

Where are their bans or mutes? How can you justify punishing 1 member for being ganged on and mass reported because they decide your the problem in the game. Not the afk/feeder support that declines to builditem 2049 or the teammates that decide that flaming me is going to make their engage magically work. I am the one holding the short end of the stick. I am the one being punished from a game of 4 so caught up in trash talking me, that they intentionally throw so they can report me sooner.

I am also at fault here, I enjoy and expect a competitive game where the odds of success are basically equal. It grinds my gears when people decide to take my time and waste it on ap Riven, decide to throw a game because somebody took a cs, or goes afk because they didn't portion out more then 15 minutes to a game of league of legends. I flamed my team right back, I am no innocent. I didn't mute them, I even said curse words (ooooh so toxic). Riots aversion to curse words and expression of feelings is so deep and convoluted that they let the real culprits of misbehavior and blatant trolling/intentional feeding/afk go 98% unnoticed. I think out of all the games I've had trolls and intentional feeders only a thimble-full of them have ever been reprimanded. My reports mean absolutely nothing to Riot, I might as well be an ant under their boot, I am 1 in approximately 67 million people monthly to play this game. My revenue, thoughts, and overall game experience means NOTHING to Riot games. You want to promote a game that endorses a silent player trolling or intentionally feeding? Is this Riots vision for their game? I cannot believe the complete failure of this system, It punishes the vocal and not the truly heinous offenders of this game.

Maybe the community is better off without me, I know I am toxic in my words to those who deserve it. I am fully aware that the mute button exists, still doesn't stop spam pings or cs stealing in lane or in jungle. There is no justice in this current system.

I am angry, I am salty, I am disheartened.

19 Comments

Kei1434 votes

you don't get punished for gang reports. you get punished for things you said / did.

chatlogs, and we can analyze where things went wrong for you.

TheWhoPhD1 votes

I flamed my team right back, I am no innocent. I didn't mute them, I even said curse words (ooooh so toxic).

Please read? I know its long.

Kei1432 votes

you spend the first 6 paragraphs complaining about ppl over extending and then blaming you.

then you have a super wall of text, and you expect me to read that?

structure your arguements better next time.

so gimme a tldr?

Kartagia2 votes

THus your argument is "I do not bother to read this, do it better as I am lazy".

I suggest you read whole posts before replying to them. I know reading is hard work. Wall of text is really annoying to ADHD generation on Pepsi Max.

Kei1431 votes

yeap i am indeed lazy and I indeed won't read through that.

Since he can't even get to his desired main point 6 paragraphs into his post, what makes you think I would be interested in reading more?

Kartagia1 votes

But stating it out is meaningless and rude. There would've been better ways to say it: Sorry, I do not give anything of latter parts of post, as it was not well formed, and I am tired. Instead of saying some opinion of it and ignoring quite important part.

Kei1431 votes

no can do.

I'm passive-aggressive against these people and don't have much regards towards them.

If they need help, I'd be glad to help. If they are just here to complain, then get to the point so I can down vote it.

Kaioko2 votes

Riot has stated that multiple reports for one game doesn't really add much of anything other than flagging the game. To get a 14 day ban you must've have been reported over a large number of games and then your chat log was reviewed. Speaking of chat logs - they usually give you multiple when you're banned (typically 3) so you can go ahead and post them and we'll tell you if there truly was injustice or not.

Last point - as far as you know those people you mentioned could have been banned. However it does not somehow make it ok for you to break the rules simply because someone else is doing so. That's how society as a whole works.

TheWhoPhD1 votes

Correct me if I'm wrong but i seem to remember there being a message sent to reporters of your report having been acted upon? And yes, they gave 2 examples. If you would like to examine my side of the conversation they provided me I can share them with you. My post is not to say I did nothing wrong, maybe you misunderstand. I am venting my frustrations at the system that serves those who are not verbal but just as/if not more toxic in their actions.

ModPrandine1 votes

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Correct me if I'm wrong but i seem to remember there being a message sent to reporters of your report having been acted upon? And yes, they gave 2 examples. If you would like to examine my side of the conversation they provided me I can share them with you. My post is not to say I did nothing wrong, maybe you misunderstand. I am venting my frustrations at the system that serves those who are not verbal but just as/if not more toxic in their actions.

The system does punish gameplay trolls as well. Here's the thing though: it has to be sure that they are in fact trolling rather than just having a bad game or two. Because of this this means that the trolls can sometimes slip through the cracks and/or take longer to get punished than chat trolls are since VA cases are easier to both track and identify than GT cases are.

TheWhoPhD2 votes

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The system does punish gameplay trolls as well. Here's the thing though: it has to be sure that they are in fact trolling rather than just having a bad game or two. Because of this this means that the trolls can sometimes slip through the cracks and/or take longer to get punished than chat trolls are since VA cases are easier to both track and identify than GT cases are.

So you're basically saying the system...I don't know...serves trolls? Trolls in my games very rarely get punished. It's not a matter of falling through the cracks, it's a lack of ability by Riot games to stamp out the true problem to everyone's enjoyment of a 20+ minute game. One troll and 9 other peoples game experience is ruined. One verbally toxic player and mute button. Riot has taken the easy road to player appeasement, not the required one.

ModPrandine1 votes

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So you're basically saying the system...I don't know...serves trolls? Trolls in my games very rarely get punished. It's not a matter of falling through the cracks, it's a lack of ability by Riot games to stamp out the true problem to everyone's enjoyment of a 20+ minute game. One troll and 9 other peoples game experience is ruined. One verbally toxic player and mute button. Riot has taken the easy road to player appeasement, not the required one.

Obviously the system isn't gonna be able to catch everyone but there are numerous cases on both this forum and the old boards of gameplay trolls being banned. Don't believe me? Well Here are two examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just two examples, but it proves that they do get punished. If you reported them and they have a history of acting up like that then they will be punished. The reason that it takes longer to punish them is because the system has to be sure that they're actually trolling via gameplay, which can be difficult (but not impossible) to track at times than simple verbal abuse cases are.

Kartagia1 votes

If they had AI like they try to bullshit to us, they could. And it does not matter they cannot screen all messages, but the fact that anything said by other players are totally ignored. On start days of Old tribunal, the talk of other plaeyrs were taken into account, and system was just. THen Trolls took over it with multiple accounts.

Do you really think system which is giving both vast number of false negatives and false positives, is working? System in which most violators get away if they get people focus on someone else by agitation? And the system totally ignores that part. And system in which RIOT THEMSELVES SAID THEY DO NOT NEED TO GET NATIVE SPEAKERS OF LANGUAGES AS THEIR AI WILL LEARN WHAT IS OFFENSIVE FROM REPORTS. That is TOTAL AND BLATANT SIGN OF STUPIDITY. Anbyody who had done their AI 101 knows you cannot teach languages like that nor AIs without humans reviewing teaching data and giving "this is not violation" data too. And that requires native speaker.

ModPrandine1 votes

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If they had AI like they try to bullshit to us, they could. And it does not matter they cannot screen all messages, but the fact that anything said by other players are totally ignored. On start days of Old tribunal, the talk of other plaeyrs were taken into account, and system was just. THen Trolls took over it with multiple accounts.

I participated in the Tribunal fairly actively when I discovered it (it was long after the IP rewards were removed from it) and while it wasn't perfect allot of the cases I voted punish on ended up getting punished. While it can be argued that chat from both allies and enemies should be showed in today's Reform Cards, the fact remains that like back then it's the defendants actions alone that decide whether they get punished or not, hence why only the defendants chat is present in today's Reform Cards.

Do you really think system which is giving both vast number of false negatives and false positives, is working?

Define "vast number of false negatives and positives". I've been active in the Player Behavior community for years on both these boards and on the old boards and I have seen very few cases where a punishment wasn't deserved. In fact, I can't even remember the last time where I read a case as a whole and thought that the person in question should have been pardoned rather than punished.

System in which most violators get away if they get people focus on someone else by agitation? And the system totally ignores that part.

Like I said before gameplay trolls often take longer to get punished because the system has to make sure that they're actively trolling and not just having a bad game or two. Oftentimes these cases require a manual review to catch what the system could not. This doesn't mean that they don't get punished, just that it can take longer than normal for them to get punished.

Compare that with verbal abuse cases where the evidence is clearly there in the chat box for all to see. Not only is it more visible and arguably more noticeable but it's also more common for people to spend time raging in the chat then they are actually playing the game itself, hence why some games in cases have a ton of lines of the defendant spending typing (often in an abusive manner).

And system in which RIOT THEMSELVES SAID THEY DO NOT NEED TO GET NATIVE SPEAKERS OF LANGUAGES AS THEIR AI WILL LEARN WHAT IS OFFENSIVE FROM REPORTS. That is TOTAL AND BLATANT SIGN OF STUPIDITY. Anbyody who had done their AI 101 knows you cannot teach languages like that nor AIs without humans reviewing teaching data and giving "this is not violation" data too. And that requires native speaker.

I don't know where they said that if that's true so I can't comment on that.

Kartagia1 votes

Old Tribunal was good until trolls took over it. And instead of removing trolls, Riot shut it down.

I did also participate in old Tribunal. It had human involvement, and minimal context (chat of all players). It would've been way better if it had game events too.

For trolling: THe system cannot detect trolling and thus purely trusts volume of reports. I have been told that frequency of crimes and honors does not matter, just number of them. THe investigation of Adelaine Skyhart case ended up RIot saying the accusaitons were false, but they still said it was jusified.

The last part Riot said on EUNE and EUW when describing new automatic system. By the way, their description there is quite different from Riot own desc on NA side linked to me. That phrase was direct reply of Riot emblem wielding author on forum. Trust me. I was more than stupefied for it.

Kartagia2 votes

Remember, curse words are totally offensive, as it brings Parents Against Everything, but Chick Tracts against Riot.

Remember, curse words are worse crime than telling someone to kill himself. I just cannot understand why colorful language is any reason for even chat bans? Where RIot employees have grown up? Some English Elite School?

Hambone20133 votes

Cursing doesn't get you banned by itself.

Fuck I screwed up. Is acceptable.

You fucking idiot. Is not.

Escheton1 votes

Garen JUSTICE!!!!

MUSHROOM MIDGET1 votes

9 reports will do nothing to you if you didnt do anything wrong.

its tough but dont defend yourself. dont talk to them at all. defending yourself is the #1 way to get banned.

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