Reformed Player's

Woofwamples·Jul 6, 2018·3 votes·3,050 views

As a previous banned player, (exploits) I have continued to play Leagues even after this user Account had been banned. Adhering to the summoners code - of course. In riots heart, will there ever be a time that past players will be forgiven? I believe almost 2 years have gone by since the banishment. Myself and Leagues have grown tremendously since. Are we reformed players, ever going to be forgiven or are we destined to eternal banishment without regard. Thanks for your hopeful consideration. :) - Cheers

14 Comments

Umbral RegentJul 6, 20183 votes

If your account wasn't unjustly banned, then the permanent ban is going to remain in place. If you reformed afterwards, good for you, but you can't undo the actions that resulted in your prior account being permanently banned.

It wouldn't exactly be a "permanent ban" if it ever got lifted, now wouldn't it?

WoofwamplesJul 6, 20183 votes

In modern law, mistakes are forgiven that or paid for whichever the price may be. All which constitutes under this law, video games as well; I believe all people deserve severance from their mistakes. I am only asking that, do people who do wrong ever get forgiven?

Umbral RegentJul 6, 20182 votes

League's rules and punishments don't operate in the same way as modern law. When Riot issues a permanent ban, that's it. They've seen the player either break their rules in such an egregious fashion, or so consistently that it's clear the player has not learned their lesson over the course of several punishments.

When it comes down to that point, Riot wants the player gone, so they issue a permaban. Once it comes down to that, that account is gone, kaput, never coming back. It doesn't matter how much the player reforms after the fact on a new account - they've already done the first account in. It isn't coming back.

If Riot gave people their accounts back after a permanent ban, that would only serve to welcome toxicity. Riot does not want to welcome toxicity, so when they permanently ban an account, it stays banned. It serves to get rid of players, and remind them that breaking the rules has consequences.

Which, what are consequences if they're only temporary? What is "permanent" if it just gets undone at some point when it's supposed to stay in place? If Riot permanently banned your account, making you lose all of your progress, all of your skins and champions and other content - and then one day just gave it back to you...Would you have actually lost anything? Would you have actually suffered any consequences, if it just got reverted somewhere down the line?

Why would you care about the rules if there's no tangible consequence to breaking them? You could just get permabanned, go onto a different account, claim "I'm reformed", and bam, no consequences suffered.

With no reason to give a shit about the rules, people would break them more and more, but still never have reason to care about them, because no matter how many times they get punished, they can just claim reform and get their account back, and go straight back to breaking the rules.

Like I said - if you reformed, good for you. But if you expect that your reform allows you a shot at getting your account back after a permanent ban, then you're a day late and a dollar short. You're supposed to reform before the permanent ban, not after.

AneirinJul 6, 20182 votes

Let's use modern law as an example then... If you get your car impounded can you come back in a year and say I'm a good driver now please give my car back?

WoofwamplesJul 7, 20183 votes

all impounded vehicles are released....

AneirinJul 7, 20181 votes

Oh really? I thought after a time they were sold or destroyed. Not a very good analogy then lol

WoofwamplesJul 6, 20183 votes

I disagree, Riots terms and conditions cannot exist without consideration of modern law which they are forced to adhere with. Regardless of opinion it is true in of its own fact. However, they may have their own punishment, again this punishment fails to prevent the same players (me) from rejoining the community. I believe in order to properly understand the situation, one must first understand the fundamental concepts of punishment. It's clear Riots system has much to improve upon, and this is why I bring this topic into consideration. Not just for my account, but for the purpose of improving Leagues community with variable input and facts. Opinions are welcome, but they do not create improvement.

Umbral RegentJul 7, 20181 votes

I disagree, Riots terms and conditions cannot exist without consideration of modern law which they are forced to adhere with. Regardless of opinion it is true in of its own fact.

The TOU only has to exist in accordance with the law - it does not have to mirror real-world law practices. You can't apply practices of modern law to the rules and punishments of a videogame, because fundamentally, they are apples and oranges. League's rules and punishments play out too differently to real world laws and punishments for the latter's methods to apply to the former.

However, they may have their own punishment, again this punishment fails to prevent the same players (me) from rejoining the community.

And they know that it's impossible to keep someone out - so they have to deliver permanent bans on the assumption that the message gets across, and the punished player leaves. If they don't, and they keep breaking the rules...Well, they'll just have to ban another account, ad infinitum until the player gets the picture and leaves, or shapes up.

I believe in order to properly understand the situation, one must first understand the fundamental concepts of punishment.

Googling up "Punishment definition" gives this:

the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.

And the fundamental concept of a punishment is to act as a deterrent from repeat offenses. Riot punishes players to try and deter them from committing the same offense again - largely, it works. Sometimes, it doesn't. When it doesn't, that doesn't mean that the punishment was flawed - it means that it just didn't work for that person/case in particular.

The vast majority of the playerbase doesn't even need punishments to deter them from breaking the rules. Most people have no problem following the rules.

It's clear Riots system has much to improve upon, and this is why I bring this topic into consideration.

Sure, Riot's punishment system does have room for improvement. That's a given.

None of that improvement involves letting players get their permanently banned accounts back, though.

Not just for my account, but for the purpose of improving Leagues community with variable input and facts.

You're really going to have to explain this, 'cause I have no clue what the hell you mean by "variable input and facts".

Opinions are welcome, but they do not create improvement.

The only opinion I have given is as follows:

You're supposed to reform before the permanent ban, not after.

Everything else I've said was counterarguments to the idea of allowing players to reclaim banned accounts.

SmurfAcc10Jul 6, 20183 votes

I agree with your words, I think we as a community have all suffered and endured. I would be very much interested in hearing a moderators opinion.(although i doubt they can answer legitimately) +1!

Zombie GerbilJul 7, 20183 votes

If this happened, then the punishment would lose its meaning. So no, definitely not. Permanent is meant to be permanent. With that said, forget the banned account. Work on your current one.

WoofwamplesJul 15, 20182 votes

It appears the community has mixed opinions. it seems that the deterrent of permanently banning an account is most justified by those who believe, “the rules were broken, thus the punishment must be enforced”, no if or buts. However, the main topic of my statement was to look outside their point of view and too see if the reform of ones character shall have an influence. I understand how one may “feel” but statistically as a society and a growing community, pardons will always be given. I urge again, please re-evaluate your decisions; as the polls are still unclear.

AJStarhikerJul 7, 20181 votes

You can get an impounded vehicle back as long as you pay whatever fines are on it before the vehicle is sold/destroyed.

So, I would equate the impounding to the 2-week ban: your last chance at recovery before it's gone.