Quick question for anyone who knows the rules.

AtreyuFan85·Oct 20, 2016·2 votes·747 views

I've been trolled the last three games I've played, by people who choose support, so they can find a game quickly, but then go on to pick a champion that has no support abilities at all. Also had someone go support, but took smite instead, and jungled. This is in Silver 3 elo, ranked play, fyi.

Is this against the rules? To pick support, and just jungle on your own? Or go support and play nasus?(Last game) Is it against the rules to pick any role at all, and do what you want, like jungle?

18 Comments

Desolas ArteriusOct 20, 20167 votes

If they queued up as support to bypass the wait and then switched to, say, Kha Jungle and took smite, then you could report it after the game as "Unsportsmanlike Conduct". However, you'll need to specific in the description that "X player queued as support but forced jungle out of their role in order to bypass wait times". Extra points if the player admits in the chat "I queued as support so I could skip the wait time", which you would need to mention in the report as well.

If none of that happened, or at least a trade was enacted (people can trade roles if they want to), then it's not reportable. Off-meta picks are not reportable either. All it depends on is their intent.

A support picking Nasus can still be viable, but a "support" picking Nasus, taking smite, and staying in the jungle forcing the original jungle out of their position is not viable and can be reported.

Will it be immediately punished? No.

But it can flag their account for review, and if they continue this behavior it can get them punished.

Again, what matters is the intent of the player, so it's best to try and be descriptive as possible when you file that report.

KORGtunersOct 20, 20161 votes

A support picking Nasus can still be viable, but a "support" picking Nasus, taking smite, and staying in the jungle forcing the original jungle out of their position is not viable and can be reported.

Do you have a quote from Riot? Where does it say support can not take smite, or support has to go bot lane, or support can't double jungle?

Desolas ArteriusOct 20, 20162 votes

Keyword is "forcing original jungle out of their position". The point is the intent, not the playstyle.

Obviously a support can take smite if they choose to, but the point is the intent of the decision to take smite. This is why describing the scenario is important when filing a report. It gives Riot a better idea if this was disruptive behavior because the player didn't want to queue in as jungle for a longer time, or if it's just an odd play-style. The same goes for intent feeding. Feeding itself isn't punishable nor reportable, but feeding with the intent of purposefully giving your enemy kills, or just wanting to die to tower over and over (running down mid for example) is and is considered disruptive to the game.

If you queue in as support, yet take smite and clear the jungler's camps before they can, and they specifically told you "please stay out of my jungle", does that make you a team player? Not really. Did the player give ample warning they wanted to duo jungle with the jungler? Did they pick out of spite of having their champion banned? Or did they pick because they don't want to support, but they want faster queue times so they take other roles despite being "support"?

That is why there is a text box for players to describe what happened.

There would be no point to have determined roles to queue into if people could just take whatever they wanted into whatever lane. That's pretty much blind pick, which a lot of players hated when it was the old system when it came to pick order. The new champion select system doesn't prevent you from playing whatever champion you want, but it does expect you to play the role given to you that you queued up for.

Obviously this isn't a for sure case since it's harder to prove intent. But it can be reported and possibly punished if the player has a history of stealing roles from other players without consent.

KORGtunersOct 20, 20161 votes

Please Riot quotes. They are very important.

It appears, as long as you are polite and give warning, you can take any champion into any lane regardless of what you qued up as.

Desolas ArteriusOct 20, 20161 votes

Riot NaKyle (NA) - 11 months ago Hi! I work on the team that updated the report boxes. We thought that "Negative attitude" was a bit too vague, just like you're saying. So in 5.22, the "Negative attitude" category will change to "Unsportsmanlike conduct". Ultimately, we tried to position "Unsportsmanlike" as a more specific option with a description that refers to negative (if not abusive) chat and verbal or gameplay griefing.

Slumber Jack (NA) - 12 months ago The report system will continue to see more updates that will better help cover issues like gameplay toxicity (beyond intentional feeding), and the version you have now will not be the last. As for instalocking/lane stealing specifically, we should be seeing a pretty significant decrease in toxicity due to pre-game shenanigans/disputes with the introduction of the new champion select.

Being polite and giving warning still doesn't mean anything if the other players do not give consent to you "taking" their lane. That is the whole point of the new champion select screen. Lane stealing was a huge issue before Riot implemented it, and like I kept saying, it is reportable, but does not automatically get you punished. Hence why people should use Unsportsmanlike category when reporting (with proper description to what happened), because it's still a big no no to lane steal, but again, it usually not an automatic punishment, much like intent feeding.

If you say "Hey can I have jungle?" despite being support, and the jungler says "no", then you cannot take his jungle position. If you take smite and essentially act like a jungler despite the queued jungler saying "no", then you are acting negative and disruptive towards the game. If you say "Can we duo jungle?" and the jungler says "Sure!" then you can take smite and clear the jungle since you received the jungler's consent to play that.

Forcing others out of their lane is not sportsmanlike and is the whole point of the category. They may not be talking, but they are griefing and making the game less enjoyable due to not getting what they want.

While Riot wants players to have fun and try new things, you have to be considerate towards other players as well. And yes, there is a meta for positions, which while it changes over time, it still exists for a reason. You can still try new things, but other players may not want to. You cannot force them to, just like they can't force who to play specifically, or take specific summoner spells.

It's all about being polite and considerate towards others. Which includes lane positions.

Desolas ArteriusOct 20, 20162 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/41se6w/riotlyte_psa_if_you_troll_and_play_a_position_you/

Source outside of the boards when it comes to lane stealing.

KORGtunersOct 20, 20161 votes

Thanks for the quotes.

It is a shame Riot went this way in my opinion. Completely killed off meta lanes.

I am still a little worried about support though. The icon doesn't imply you have to go bot lane while queuing. In champ select it puts your icon on bot though. I'm a support that likes to roam a lot (as early as level 1 to invade enemy jungler).

Desolas ArteriusOct 20, 20161 votes

LIke I said, it all depends on your team. The current position meta was discovered by players to be the most effective when soloqing, but that doesn't mean you can't ever play out of it.

However, everyone has to be considerate towards others if they don't want to have a duo top or a roaming support. Just like they need to be considerate of how you like to play support or who you support with.

Off meta lanes still work, but I find they work better when the team communicates over coms and they're going into the match with that in mind. Coordinated play is easier to pull that off compared to solo play, hence why for Champion Select it allows you to pick a position so you can somewhat coordinate with strangers who don't know you.

You can still roam as a support, I do that myself and I also invade sometimes, but remember that your allies won't know your strategy unless you tell them. If they dont agree with it they don't have to partake in it, and vice versa.

Usually most players are fine with changing things up as long as you ask politely. I even played Jhin support after asking my ADC if he was okay with that. He was and we won the game pretty hard, so being polite for off-meta things usually helps. Same for laning and strategy. But if a player is uncomfortable with that they should still have the option of not having to do it.

Hence why NCS was created. Less time calling positions and arguing, and more time discussing strategy or possible off-meta choices.

KORGtunersOct 20, 20161 votes

You can still roam as a support, I do that myself and I also invade sometimes, but remember that your allies won't know your strategy unless you tell them. If they dont agree with it they don't have to partake in it, and vice versa.

That is reasonable. However, if I get reported and banned because I don't sit in bot lane all game, this game is not for me anymore.

P.S. Team builder > NCS. all day errr day

Desolas ArteriusOct 20, 20161 votes

Oh trust me, you can't get banned for not staying in bot lane all game. That's a bit ridiculous :P That would mean every Bard player would be banned since Bard has to roam to get chimes lol.

It really just matters on your intent as I said. If you have to roam as a support (going mid to help your ally, warding jungle, etc) you wont ever get in trouble. What Lyte was talking about are specific cases where an ally purposefully disrupts the game because they didn't get "XYZ". Such as lane stealing.

Roaming as a support is not lane stealing in any means. And if you did get reported for roaming it would be thrown out since that is a legitimate strategy and is accepted. If anything, non roaming supports are more annoying, this coming from a jungle main. Having that extra help with lanes is a godsend, so long as the ADC is competent enough to handle being alone for a minute or two lol.

TB was okay. Though it was not friendly to off-meta champions :( Always got kicked wanted to play Thresh ADC /sigh

SarutobiOct 20, 20162 votes

There is nothing against the rules of picking an "off meta" champion. You can basically use any champion to support. Hell Nasus could be a great support since he has a slow and an aoe damaging spell. If he goes relic shield first and Q when he can execute he could get his Q stacked, granted not by that much.

But again choosing a champion that isn't a suppprt in the support role alone isn't a reportable offense. Now that Jungler might be breaking the rules if he basically "stole" that role from someone. Granted again though taking smite might not be a bad thing since he could help push lanes/slow an enemy for a free kill/Jungle buffs.

LXIIOct 20, 20161 votes

Playing any champion anywhere you want is always your choice, that isn't against the rules. Stealing a role after you were assigned a different one is (last I remembered).

SelegunOct 20, 20161 votes

Did the Nasus start relic shield? If not then I feel you. If he did then you should take some time to look into what he can do. A spirit fire + wither is a free kill unless your can accurately be described as 'log'

AtreyuFan85Oct 20, 20161 votes

So, it basically went like this.

#1 game - Had a guy go support, and they banned his champion, so he took master yi, smite, and went into the jungle without saying a word, but later saying that duo jungle works. lol

#2 game - Had this other guy go support, steal my cs, and ended up feeding really hard. But point was, he went Garen support, and then stole my cs. How is this either (A) Not punishable (B) Fair to everyone involved?

#3 game - Had a nasus support. His first item I believe was black cleaver. He built relic shield, but it was later in the game. He just stole my cs, died a lot for tower diving, and then tried to farm his q while our base got destroyed. Never warded the entire 33 mins we played.

So, if this isn't illegal, and you can play whoever you want, wherever you want. I guess i'm going to start either playing jungle, or playing jungle. I mean, technically I'm not stealing his role, i'm sharing it. I can roam and jungle as a adc if I want, right? As long as I'm trying to win the game?

Desolas ArteriusOct 20, 20161 votes

Game 1 would be reportable and possibly punishable should he continue that behavior. But again, you'll have to describe what happened in the report so that Riot can look into his behavior and see if he acts like this in more than one game. Just reporting "Unsportsmanelike conduct" because he went Yi jungle despite being support doesn't tell Riot much. But writing "X took Yi and smite into the jungle after their champion was banned despite being support" will tell them a lot more about their behavior and help in future cases against that player.

Games 2 and 3 are unfortunately okay. It sucks being in that position, but they didn't steal someone's role. They played horribly, and didn't build correctly, but being bad and playing off-meta is not legitimately reportable, nor punishable.

As for your question: You can "roam" in the jungle as an ADC if you want to, but remember everyone still has to be polite and professional about this. If your attitude is negative while doing it, or purposefully throwing/disrupting the other players while doing it, then you can get reported, and possibly punished if you continue that behavior. Being bad does not get you punished, but being rude can. If you queued up as an ADC, but harassed the jungler by following him and taking his camps while he's there all game, then that can be disruptive and a poor show of sportsmanship. But if you're an ADC and in the jungle taking farm that's not really punishable. Even if early game.

Sure, it might annoy your jungler, but as long as you aren't purposefully disrupting the game then you'll be fine. Same is said for a Nasus support or Garen support. Being bad =/= being disruptive.

Reket DeAlkOct 20, 20161 votes

All three of those instances would be unsportsmanlike conduct and can be reported and probably will be punished eventually if they keep it up.

Like others have said, off meta support isn't by itself punishable. But based on what you're describing then I would vote yes, they are breaking rules.

MUSHROOM MIDGETOct 20, 20161 votes

the meta - 1 top 1 mid 1 jg, adc and support bot is not the rules. it is just something players came up with that works really well.

riot doesnt like to force people to play the meta but its complicated. ive won games with 2 top 2 mid even 2 jg. you just have to be able to be flexible and adjust to the game.

AtreyuFan85Oct 27, 20161 votes

So, i'm back. After ALOT of playing, and a lot more disappointment. I have my proof(through words only of course, because i'm not bored enough to make records).

I have played exactly 50 games over 10 days. The following are the recorded offenses I experienced and reported during those 50 games.

AFK's = 19(Most of game) , 13(AFK that I seen myself, for at least 1 min, but not exceeding 5.) Toxic = 71(I knew it was bad, just didn't realize how bad. Wow.) This is only threats, and insults. Cussing. Non-abuse Toxic(grieving, feeding INT) = 43 No smite in jungle = 3(2 really, because I grabbed it at the last second, and jungled myself the last time It happened)

Just added the no smite because I though it was super funny. 3/50 games the jungle in silver/gold elo forgets smite. Haha.

Anyways, I refuse to play anymore league at all, until the new season comes. Even then, if they haven't done anything about this bs, i'm probably ending my "career". Not to draw attention or anything. It's just disgusting, to leave my rank and hardwork in the hands of four random people, who more often than not, are bad people, as far as in-game ethics and sportsmanship go. I just can't support a game like that. This is coming from a man, who works everyday of his life for that money, about a grand over the last year, which was spent on this game. ALOT toward the 2016 prize pool.